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Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Mini-poll.

How many times out of ten would a prime Jones have beaten a prime Calzaghe?

I'll say...nine. Oh, bollocks, ten.

10 out of 10 for Jones, 10 out of 10 for Hopkins, 10 out of 10 for Toney.

Although in Toney's case he wouldn't have been in his prime for 10 fights. Jones would have beaten the lot 10 times out of 10.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
Yes, but you might very well have actually been covering one! Stu's point, I suppose, was that 99.9% of people wouldn't be and therefore wouldn't qualify...

Then again, most of the press section at most big fights have absolutely no intention of covering anything either.

Yes, sorry if I didn't make my point clear. I just get the feeling Bunce is just gloating to the majority who buy the mag who haven't had a press card.

Read the article and maybe you'll agree... all he keeps harping on about is how "he was there".

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Wrists wrote:If me brother was a split arse he would be my sister.............
If Mike Ashley was a decent human being NUFC would not be in the mess it is.......
If I was better looking I would have attracted Cheryl Cole before Ashley did.....

Bla bla bla bla bla

Kevin

Why don't you contribute to my mini-poll, Kevin. Pretty please. What's your effing answer?

8 out of 10, let's not forget Calzaghe is still a good boxer with a decent chin and great stamina. and up until 5 years ago he was stopping guys as well. His power diminished years ago (hand injuries) but he's no mug.

Remember JC is past his prime too, he is not much younger than those guys, his chin and punch power are def diminished

Coco wrote:Remember JC is past his prime too, he is not much younger than those guys, his chin and punch power are def diminished

JC hasn't messed up his body like RJJ has though, and fighters age at different rates. Like 43 Hopkins would embarres 39 year Jones..... have them at 35 and 31 and it would have been an convincing win for Jones.

As for Joe's punching power, I am really struggling to remember when Joe scored a decisive clean KO..... infact has he ever as a champion?

Roy's power has diminshed also.

stujones wrote:

Coco wrote:Remember JC is past his prime too, he is not much younger than those guys, his chin and punch power are def diminished

JC hasn't messed up his body like RJJ has though, and fighters age at different rates. Like 43 Hopkins would embarres 39 year Jones..... have them at 35 and 31 and it would have been an convincing win for Jones.

As for Joe's punching power, I am really struggling to remember when Joe scored a decisive clean KO..... infact has he ever as a champion?

Roy's power has diminshed also.

Richard Hall?

stujones wrote:

Coco wrote:Remember JC is past his prime too, he is not much younger than those guys, his chin and punch power are def diminished

JC hasn't messed up his body like RJJ has though, and fighters age at different rates. Like 43 Hopkins would embarres 39 year Jones..... have them at 35 and 31 and it would have been an convincing win for Jones.

As for Joe's punching power, I am really struggling to remember when Joe scored a decisive clean KO..... infact has he ever as a champion?

Roy's power has diminshed also.

Veit for starters...and his power told against Sheika and Mitchell.

But that's what I said, I agree his power has deteriorated.

For many years he was known purely as a banger, and even in winning the title he floored Eubank in the first.

Captain Hook wrote:

stujones wrote:

Coco wrote:Remember JC is past his prime too, he is not much younger than those guys, his chin and punch power are def diminished

JC hasn't messed up his body like RJJ has though, and fighters age at different rates. Like 43 Hopkins would embarres 39 year Jones..... have them at 35 and 31 and it would have been an convincing win for Jones.

As for Joe's punching power, I am really struggling to remember when Joe scored a decisive clean KO..... infact has he ever as a champion?

Roy's power has diminshed also.

Veit for starters...and his power told against Sheika and Mitchell.

But that's what I said, I agree his power has deteriorated.

For many years he was known purely as a banger, and even in winning the title he floored Eubank in the first.

I actually cannot remember how the Veit (1) finished, was he on the canvas or was it waived off, but yes you can call that a clean TKO/Ko.

Sheika was a cut, was he even floored? Mitchell is quite famously a bit of a dodgy stoppage.

Yes, I remember Calzaghe KO'ing the usual list of imports and never will be's on his way to the top... and catching Eubank (a little cold) with a peach. The best shot of Joe's career - didn't put a dent in him after. Joe couldn't finish of "chinny" world class fighters like Brewer at his (Joe's) best.

He smashed Veit and knocked him down a couple of times, and Sheika was bashed up, he was all over the place. He stopped Veit in Germany as well.

I wouldn't say the shot he hit Eubank with was the best of his career mate, you seem extremely down on the guy.

Nobody put much of a dent in Eubank, or Robin Reid..

And I don't think anyone can argue that Joe's "best" was more recent than Brewer - v Kessler and Lacy for starters, he reached his peak late.

But I can't argue that his power diminished, a lot of it down to hand injuries, though he has put too much emphasis on that excuse IMO.

I don't feel the hands should be an issue as he's suffered with it since he was 14 punching a sofa for a heavy bag. Although they have obviously gotten worse over time. He's adapted his style to compensate his "disabilities".

I respect any fighter that does that.

stujones wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Mini-poll.

How many times out of ten would a prime Jones have beaten a prime Calzaghe?

I'll say...nine. Oh, bollocks, ten.

10 out of 10 for Jones, 10 out of 10 for Hopkins, 10 out of 10 for Toney.

Although in Toney's case he wouldn't have been in his prime for 10 fights. Jones would have beaten the lot 10 times out of 10.

Stu - do you mean prime Hopkins and Toney beat a prime Calzaghe ten times out of ten?

If so, that is very harsh, IMO. I know it sounds mental but I think B-Hop isn't much past his best performances. And your fair point about Toney means he'd drop a few losses too!

A prime Jones was a different league to both Hopkins and Toney (the latter of whom I particularly admire, skills wise).

I dont think Jones beats Calzaghe 10 out of 10. Joe brings volume punching and speed, I cant see too many fighters on Jones' record of that ilk, there are, for me, intangibles which prevent me assuming Jones wins 10 out of 10.

I'd think Joe could make the fights very competitive, particularly at 168 and I could see him winning 2 or 3 in a ten fight series.

Are we giving Joe his power back too?

DavidPayne wrote:I dont think Jones beats Calzaghe 10 out of 10. Joe brings volume punching and speed, I cant see too many fighters on Jones' record of that ilk, there are, for me, intangibles which prevent me assuming Jones wins 10 out of 10.

I'd think Joe could make the fights very competitive, particularly at 168 and I could see him winning 2 or 3 in a ten fight series.

Are we giving Joe his power back too?

Give him his pooowwwwaaaaaaaaa....

However, a prime Jones was the best I've ever seen in my time though the rose-tinted bins could be on now...

Jones was electrifying.

Theoretically, Joe could be competitive as he is a highly talented boxer with excellent strength and a brilliant workrate.

However, I don't think Joe would ever allow himself to go in with a fighter like Jones. Unless, of course, that Joe was a champ, at the peak of his powers, and that Jones was ready to submit to all Joe's terms in order for a fight to happen.

Joe has been one of Britain's major names, and we need our fighters to do well. But imagine if he was in a different sport. Would he be able to duck ppl, to pick and choose the opposition? Joe is Rocky in Rocky 3, matched mostly vs patsies, prior to the Clubber Lang fight.

I mean, if Joe was so freaking great, what was he doing with that WBO strap fighting names like Giminez and Jiminez and Pudwill and McIntyre - all those years?

I refer the honourary gentleman to the 18,745 posts and 290,567 words written in response to that question across the past decade.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

stujones wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Mini-poll.

How many times out of ten would a prime Jones have beaten a prime Calzaghe?

I'll say...nine. Oh, bollocks, ten.

10 out of 10 for Jones, 10 out of 10 for Hopkins, 10 out of 10 for Toney.

Although in Toney's case he wouldn't have been in his prime for 10 fights. Jones would have beaten the lot 10 times out of 10.

Stu - do you mean prime Hopkins and Toney beat a prime Calzaghe ten times out of ten?

If so, that is very harsh, IMO. I know it sounds mental but I think B-Hop isn't much past his best performances. And your fair point about Toney means he'd drop a few losses too!

A prime Jones was a different league to both Hopkins and Toney (the latter of whom I particularly admire, skills wise).

I think Hopkins is significantly better in 2001 than in 2008.... Calzaghe vs Hopkins mark 2008 was close - all Hopkins needed to do was a tiny bit more in a few of the rounds and he would have won clear... all he needed to do was "be busy doing nothing" and it would have been in the bank.

I agree on Toney... but I was putting it an hypothetical scenario on whether Joe would ever figure out a prime Toney in 10 attempts... my answer is no.

Captain Hook wrote:He smashed Veit and knocked him down a couple of times, and Sheika was bashed up, he was all over the place. He stopped Veit in Germany as well.

I wouldn't say the shot he hit Eubank with was the best of his career mate, you seem extremely down on the guy.

Nobody put much of a dent in Eubank, or Robin Reid..

And I don't think anyone can argue that Joe's "best" was more recent than Brewer - v Kessler and Lacy for starters, he reached his peak late.

But I can't argue that his power diminished, a lot of it down to hand injuries, though he has put too much emphasis on that excuse IMO.

I don't know - it gets so confusing when arguing with Joe fans... when I mention the Kessler fight as being close- its cause Joe was past his prime. I think Joe was at his physical peak around the Brewer/Mitchell fights personally. Thats when his chin seemed to be at his strongest, and he was very impressive in these fights.

What was the best punch of Joe's career - honestly, I didn't mean for it to sound Sarcastic... it was a peach of a shot he caught Eubank with. Indeed, that performance for me remains his best.

The Veit fight in Germany was a corner pull out... not saying the Joe wasn't a tad unfortunate that he didn't get a clean KO in his championship career - but a conclusive one punch KO, he wasn't - unlike Jones.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Mini-poll.

How many times out of ten would a prime Jones have beaten a prime Calzaghe?

I'll say...nine. Oh, bollocks, ten.

At super-middle, I'm going to be controversial and say no more than seven. Jones was amazing, drugs or no, but so is Calzaghe - and the fact is that for the longest time Jones was looking amazing against guys that were every bit as much padding as the Will McIntyre's on Calzaghe's slate.

Old bones Ian wrote:The reason most people thought that Calzaghe was facing a prime Jones Jnr was the fact that Jones Jnr was never really seen by the masses over here when he was in his prime.

I don't think 1 of his fights was shown by ITV or BBC

I can remember watching Jones for the first time against Toney on a Saturday afternoon before the football, not 100% but sure that was on Grandstand.

Terry D wrote:Don't think Joe has scored a clean KO since 1997, by that I mean laid someone out.

He's scored some lovely 'Terry O Conner and co' knockouts though, hasn't he?

DavidPayne wrote:I refer the honourary gentleman to the 18,745 posts and 290,567 words written in response to that question across the past decade.

Have you got any links?

Ok Ian - just for you cos you asked so nicely!

Prime RJJ beats Prime JC 10 times out of 10
Prime JC beats Prime BHOP 7/8 times out of 10

Can't comment on Fatso Toney just a wee bit before my time

Ok - is that ok for you???

PS. Sat 29th Nov - Boro 1 3 Ncle

You heard it here first

Kevin

Wrists wrote:Ok Ian - just for you cos you asked so nicely!

Prime RJJ beats Prime JC 10 times out of 10
Prime JC beats Prime BHOP 7/8 times out of 10

Can't comment on Fatso Toney just a wee bit before my time

Ok - is that ok for you???

PS. Sat 29th Nov - Boro 1 3 Ncle

You heard it here first

Kevin

That's fine. So much better than saying 'bla bla bla' which simply gets on my tits when you're trying to have a discussion with someone.

As for your prediction, all you're doing is reminding me why I hate Geordies. You're so shite at the moment I'd forgotten.

Roy Jones = Hector Camacho with muscles.

Why should Joe worry about a fighter such as that in his prime?