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Old bones Ian wrote:Not anything positive i can say about this matchup

I can - it's better than Bobby Gunn 2

Thats not fair!! I reckon this fella would have a 50-50 chance against Gunn!!
Imagine if he did manage to knock Enzo out!!
If he went 4 rounds against the Russian he may do a similar Job on Saturday, and then FW may get away with proclaiming it has a half fair fight.
In fairness FW does get his fighters titles the easy way, Enzo is laughing all the way to the bank, even though I know he wants more serious challenges
I did say in a previous post that unknowns get mysteriously moved into the rankings when it suits

Eraserhead wrote:...And people wondered why Enzo Maccarinelli shit himself and sprinted to the ring on March 8 - you know, the night he finally faced someone who was world-class.

Two-time 'world champion'? If I hear that once on Saturday I'm through with boxing.

:x

You will def hear Enzo proclaimed as two time world champion

Coco wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:...And people wondered why Enzo Maccarinelli shit himself and sprinted to the ring on March 8 - you know, the night he finally faced someone who was world-class.

Two-time 'world champion'? If I hear that once on Saturday I'm through with boxing.

:x

You will def hear Enzo proclaimed as two time world champion

I know.

The thing is, he's never beaten an active world champion. How the fook do you become world champion by never beating the world champion?

Mark Hobson and Francisco Alvarez What a fraud.

WBO - load of fecking shite. Utterly shambolic.

Boxing Chat was on earlier resorting to getting personal with Billy over his criticism of the bill.
Where is he now to justify this?

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

I feel bad for Enzo, having to wait so long to get another fight then he gets this, an re-labeled as a paper champ.

He deserves to fight a proper champ for a proper belt to see if he's worthy of being called a champ himself. He's surely up for it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have fought Haye would he?

At least I won't feel the need to flick back and forth ITV and Sky, just watch Froch's fight seamlessly. Unless of course Amir is on his back!

youngrell wrote:I feel bad for Enzo, having to wait so long to get another fight then he gets this, an re-labeled as a paper champ.

He deserves to fight a proper champ for a proper belt to see if he's worthy of being called a champ himself. He's surely up for it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have fought Haye would he?

Well, if (when) he wins on Saturday we might see him headlining some bills against credible opponents- Banks and Hide being obvious choices.

There is no doubt he`s up for it. He was ready to fight Banks, who although not the most dangerous, he was an unbeaten kronk fighter.

....and of course he met Haye.

Problem for Enzo is that he has not really beaten anybody of note. The best win on his record is Braithwaite.

whicker wrote:

youngrell wrote:I feel bad for Enzo, having to wait so long to get another fight then he gets this, an re-labeled as a paper champ.

He deserves to fight a proper champ for a proper belt to see if he's worthy of being called a champ himself. He's surely up for it, if he wasn't he wouldn't have fought Haye would he?

Well, if (when) he wins on Saturday we might see him headlining some bills against credible opponents- Banks and Hide being obvious choices.

I really hope so because I think Enzo is one of the best fighters in this weak division, I know Enzo wants these fights, but he has to be happy with his easy money on Sat

I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

I definitely give Enzo credit for facing Haye, but he's always been a paper champ in my mind. And he'll remain a paper champ on Saturday when he bowls this guy over in a couple of rounds. Enzo has never beaten an active world champion. Forget the WBO shite - he was the challenger against Haye.

This fight on Saturday should be a non-title 10-rounder. Enzo is not ready to fight for a title (are we forgetting he got twatted in his last fight?) and Alvarez is ranked about 150 in the world - as a light-heavyweight. It's crazy when you think about it.

Why did Hide not return calls?

The reason people are so sceptical is because it happens to Sports Network more than other promoters.
Moreover it is the fact it is on PPV, will you be offering refunds if they are requested?
Also how is it that the WBO accepted him as a challenger, the better solution would to put Enzo in a Brit, Comm or Euro fight if possible, if not just and international 10 rounder.
Hide's behavior doesn't suprise me though.
When Ronaldo or Rooney are injured they are replaced by the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Tevez, not some player from the Doc Martins league!
This being touted as a world title fight is tantamount to fraud, and tarnishes the game.
The only reason you are doing this is for economic reasons

Nobody can blame Warren for this particular pull out, that's not my beef per se. The number of pull outs on shows in general, is however appalling, and seems to be getting worse over time. If that's down to fighters not fancying it, or contractual wrangles, who knows, but it's fekking annoying.

What is shameful, is that the WBO are willing to sanction such a poor matchup as a 'world title bout' which is frankly speaking, an insult to the fans. I've always liked Macca, hell, I tipped him to beat Haye Shows how much I know! But in no shape form or fashion is this fight a genuine world title fight, and the winner doesn't deserve to put the words 'world champion' in front of their name. Simple as. Macca isn't the first to get a 'soft' belt, and he won't be the last, but each case should be talked about on it's merits, and this stinks. If the WBO had any decency (this applies to all the bodies), they would say that this was an eliminator as the quality of the opposition wasn't good enough for a world title belt.

That's not a knock on Enzo, it's a knock on how cheap title belts have become - and I do understand that TV companies demand title belts on the line, but that doesn't mean we have to like it.

If Rooney or Ronaldo don't turn up due to injury, there is still the rest of the team, who are hardly shabby are they. It's not like Rooney is replaced by a centre back from Rushden and Diamonds is it?

Obviously at such short notice no serious contender will/would be willing to step in.

In which case they should declare this match as a interim title fight .. def not for the real title, its basically just handing the title to Enzo .. again :(

I pity those people who had bought their tickets early .. can`t see one potentially competitive fight arranged on the whole bill :(

boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

To be fair, I've heard the same. Hide definitely accepted the fight and was supposedly ready to go on Saturday. Then he scarpered...

Still, that final comparison (Man Utd. strikers getting injured) is one of the worst I've ever heard. Two injured players is not the equivalent of a whole team withdrawing and still charging fans to watch the game - or sticking the reserves out in place against the ladies side.

boxingchat wrote:Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

The point should be that when an event is PPV, there should be a back up plan for situations exactly like this one ie: a guy pulls out less than a week befor ethe fight. A lot of people have bought the PPV expecting a decent nights boxing, what they get instead is not good enough. Surely a back up plan is not too much to ask for when an event is PPV

leforge wrote:Why did Hide not return calls?

The same reason he won't end up fighting Godfrey, Herbie doesn't want it.

this time i can agree with 'Boxingchat' , the fight was offered to Hide, Flores and several others. For various reasons it couldn't be made.

Alvarez is willing to come over , but my moan is the fact that its a 'world title' fight.
As i said it should be a non title 8 or 10 rounder.

tonyevs wrote:Obviously at such short notice no serious contender will/would be willing to step in.

In which case they should declare this match as a interim title fight .. def not for the real title, its basically just handing the title to Enzo .. again :(

I pity those people who had bought their tickets early .. can`t see one potentially competitive fight arranged on the whole bill :(

That's what I said - make it an eliminator - that's the decent and proper thing to do.

Old bones Ian wrote:

leforge wrote:Why did Hide not return calls?

The same reason he won't end up fighting Godfrey, Herbie doesn't want it.

this time i can agree with 'Boxingchat' , the fight was offered to Hide, Flores and several others. For various reasons it couldn't be made.

Alvarez is willing to come over , but my moan is the fact that its a 'world title' fight.
As i said it should be a non title 8 or 10 rounder.

The promoters dillema there, though not relevant to the sanctioning body in an equitable world, is that they would no longer be fulfilling their contractual obligations to the TV company. They of coruse need to try and find an opponent, and who can blame them for getting onto the WBO and asking for it to be santcioned as a world title fight?

The trouble is, the sanctioning bodies don't run the sport, promoters do, and as such, they acquiesce to the promoters demands. That is part of a promoters remit.

Why on earth a top British promoter wouldn't have someone on standby in the first place, I'll never know.

Francisco Alvarez?

It seems like he was picked for only having one loss and that one loss being to Alexeev. If Macca disposes of Alvarez earlier than Alexeev, Warren might have more confidence in him.

I can understand a couple of pullouts, but this is ridiculous. There should have been a contingency plan and the only reason why there hasn't been is either laziness and/or greed. I don't really care which.

By the way, guys, Boxrec don't have this fight down as a World title fight, whereas they did when it was Banks. It might still be a title fight, but that suggests it isn't. Knowing Warren and the WBO, though, it is, right?

Asterix wrote:Why on earth a top British promoter wouldn't have someone on standby in the first place, I'll never know.

Francisco Alvarez?

It seems like he was picked for only having one loss and that one loss being to Alexeev. If Macca disposes of Alvarez earlier than Alexeev, Warren might have more confidence in him.

I can understand a couple of pullouts, but this is ridiculous. There should have been a contingency plan and the only reason why there hasn't been is either laziness and/or greed. I don't really care which.

By the way, guys, Boxrec don't have this fight down as a World title fight, whereas they did when it was Banks. It might still be a title fight, but that suggests it isn't. Knowing Warren and the WBO, though, it is, right?

Surely Hide was on standby?

It it is a world title fight, is has to be someone ranked within the top 30 isn't it?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Asterix wrote:Why on earth a top British promoter wouldn't have someone on standby in the first place, I'll never know.

Francisco Alvarez?

It seems like he was picked for only having one loss and that one loss being to Alexeev. If Macca disposes of Alvarez earlier than Alexeev, Warren might have more confidence in him.

I can understand a couple of pullouts, but this is ridiculous. There should have been a contingency plan and the only reason why there hasn't been is either laziness and/or greed. I don't really care which.

By the way, guys, Boxrec don't have this fight down as a World title fight, whereas they did when it was Banks. It might still be a title fight, but that suggests it isn't. Knowing Warren and the WBO, though, it is, right?

Surely Hide was on standby?


It it is a world title fight, is has to be someone ranked within the top 30 isn't it?

This fella will get a ranking, i'm sure that will be organised, there are many precedents for that

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Surely Hide was on standby?

It it is a world title fight, is has to be someone ranked within the top 30 isn't it?

It sounds a lot more like Hide was contacted, for the first time, about the fight after Banks pulled out.