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bennie wrote:Top win. Is Froch the first Nottingham man to win a world title?

boxerbob wrote:froch did drag out the win but this fight should not have been for the title,,,thought both guys were quite basic and very one paced.

fight should have been for a top 10 ranking....not a world title.

if froch fights taylor , id take taylor big time , same goes for kessler

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Deserter wrote:Well, just got back in from Nottingham and I'm still buzzing now - had a brilliant view of the best fight I've ever seen live. Could not believe what a war it was and that it went the full 12.
I'm over the moon that Carl won, and from my vantage point I had him pulling away in the final third to win by a couple of rounds, but there were plenty of flaws on display as well. For what it's worth, here's how I saw it:

THE GOOD:
Great chin
Great jab (when he finally decided to use it!)
Great stamina
Most importantly, his sheer will to win - he had to dig really deep at times and came through with flying colours.

THE BAD:
His power looks as though it may be over-rated as he hit Pascal flush on a number of occasions and while he shook him on a couple of occasions he never really looked as though he was going to KO him.
He seemed a bit one-paced at times and unable to 'move through the gears' or alter his game plan (bar the final third when he started doubling up on the jab)

THE UGLY:
When the f**k is he going to realise that at this level he isn't good enough to leave his left low and rely on slipping shots (which he then ships full-on!) If he doesn't address his defensive inadequacies his reign will be short-lived.

I've always been a huge fan of Froch but while he proved he belonged in world class tonight, I was left a bit concerned about his long-term prospects as his flaws at this level were explicitly exposed.
Still, it was a great learning fight for him and nobody could begrudge him a 'give-me' after a war like that. The only super-middle I wouldn't put him in with at this point in time is Kessler, as I can see the Dane punishing his defensive short-comings in brutal fashion.

Excellent summing up; I can't disagree at all.

I was there last night & I'm so happy for Carl, but he's got a lot to learn if he is to go up against Kessler.

I also thought the fight was closer than the scorecards suggested: I need to see it on tv to confirm.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:the good - all of the above.

The bad - overexcitement on the big occasion, and the tendency to get involved in a massive ruck.

Carl can probably make a couple of defences, then lose his title and get it back in a series of exciting and overly dramatic fights, because that it the kind of personality he is, he cannot help himself - but he will be in some exciting fights, win or lose.

He is basically the super middleweight version of Haye, but with a little bit more charisma, and a lot more chin.

Love it Carl - go on my son.

My Name Is Earl wrote:Froch mentioned a few defences back at the Nottingham arena, so some unifications a way off yet imo. No way Bute comes to the UK for starters.

I'd avoid Andrade. A W would make a massive statement to an American audience, but too dangerous for Carl's style.

Autobarn wrote:I think a Kessler fight can wait. Let Kessler get bigger, otherwise Froch-Kessler is in Joe's shadow. Kessler's been stuck knocking out German mandatories. OK he's big in Germany and Denmark, but not so much in the UK and US.

Could be interest in Bute fight after beating a top Canadian; however, this is the wrong time for Bute perhaps.

I like the idea of Taylor. A recognisible name, but a certain lack of fire, stamina, killer instinct, and having come up from middleweight...there would be a few things in Froch's favour despite the Taylor jab. Risk-reward looks reasonable for Froch. However, it's a matter of getting Taylor interested.

Far too early to talk of Calzaghe (just as 1997-2002 Joe was not ready to take on an elite fighter and didn't!). Don't want to see Froch in with a southpaw just yet. I want to see that jab developed vs some orthodox opponents.

I hope Murat beats Marcus Johnson, that way maybe it could pave the way for Froch-Abraham. That would be fvcking brilliant.

Would definitely like to see some title defences in Nottingham. Good crowd, terrestrial TV, etc. He can be a star here first and then build on to an international audience, hopefully.

Captain Hook wrote:

Autobarn wrote:I think a Kessler fight can wait. Let Kessler get bigger, otherwise Froch-Kessler is in Joe's shadow. Kessler's been stuck knocking out German mandatories. OK he's big in Germany and Denmark, but not so much in the UK and US.

Could be interest in Bute fight after beating a top Canadian; however, this is the wrong time for Bute perhaps.

I like the idea of Taylor. A recognisible name, but a certain lack of fire, stamina, killer instinct, and having come up from middleweight...there would be a few things in Froch's favour despite the Taylor jab. Risk-reward looks reasonable for Froch. However, it's a matter of getting Taylor interested.

Far too early to talk of Calzaghe (just as 1997-2002 Joe was not ready to take on an elite fighter and didn't!). Don't want to see Froch in with a southpaw just yet. I want to see that jab developed vs some orthodox opponents.

I hope Murat beats Marcus Johnson, that way maybe it could pave the way for Froch-Abraham. That would be fvcking brilliant.

Would definitely like to see some title defences in Nottingham. Good crowd, terrestrial TV, etc. He can be a star here first and then build on to an international audience, hopefully.

Agree with all that, only sticking point is that he's 31.....he'll have to get moving.

The way he fights his career is not going to reach to 35-36 like a JC or RJJ, he takes too many shots.

housesecond wrote:If he ever gets in the ring with Calzaghe he'l get taken apart.

forcefraser wrote:

housesecond wrote:If he ever gets in the ring with Calzaghe he'l get taken apart.

I agree, Calzaghe is in a different league. He would outpoint Froch by a country mile. It would go 12 though cos Froch has a mighty chin. Just too slow/one dimensional to give Calzaghe a problem. His power although good, was somewhat lacking against Paschal and Calzaghe can also take a great shot.

Asterix wrote:Apparently Froch had a cracked rib and perforated ear drum going into the fight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... oxing.html

G0mez wrote: Pascal was a huge super middleweight and must have been about 180lb in the ring and he is as solid as they come. It was the first type of stlyist that Froch has fought professionally and although Pascal had his moments, he couldn't dent Froch - despite throwing the kitchen sink at him - and ultimately it broke his heart and his engine slightly, from the mid point onwards.

WelshDevil wrote:The thing that really stuck out was the slow pace - almost like at times the fight was being fought in slow motion. Both fighters looked like nerves had drained them early on.

Froch had a better range than Pascal - Carl had the distance spot on while Pascal would often fall short with a jab. Both took and landed tremendous shots - it is fair to say that they were both were far to easy to hit.

Froch I thought was looking tired at mid point and at times ragged while Pascal's output just faded - he didn't have the engine to throw volumes of punches while Carl seemingly got a second wind.

Superb action, drama and it was tense and explosive. The fight had everything and both proved there hearts and chins and the post fight interviews proved both men had class and dignity.

Superb fight and a rematch in the future would be great.

Froch definately won - no doubt about that - the early rounds were close but Froch won the last few in my book.