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stujones wrote:

Autobarn wrote:JMM-Pac 1?

Spinks-Mayorga

I would argue that maybe Forrest was still ranked above Spinks given the closeness of Mayorga vs Forrest 2.

Was Morales still classed as a Featherweight at the time of JMM vs MP 1?

kevo wrote:

Asterix wrote:Pavlik vs Taylor II :??

I think that fight was at Super Middle, so they won't have been classed as the consensus 1 & 2

Mensa07 wrote:Jones/Tarver?

am trying to think of ones where there was a definite #1 and an obvious or consensus #2, as in Cal/Kessler, whereas for some like Jones/Tarver there may be a question mark on it?

Hopkins/Taylor must be one.
Tszyu/Judah.
Hatton/Paulie (only after the L was Paulie questioned)

kevo wrote:

Asterix wrote:Pavlik vs Taylor II :??

I think that fight was at Super Middle, so they won't have been classed as the consensus 1 & 2

sockdolager wrote:

kevo wrote:

Asterix wrote:Pavlik vs Taylor II :??

I think that fight was at Super Middle, so they won't have been classed as the consensus 1 & 2

eff off back to the Other Sports forum you know nothing prick!

Horse wrote:Hatton vs Malignaggi - No, Holt and Bradley both had a very good claim to the number two spot, especially after Malignaggi struggled against Ngoudjo and N'dou.

Calzaghe vs Lacy - Kessler was generally rated as the number two after his win against Mundine, and Beyer even had a claim to be rated higher than Lacy as well.

Haye vs Maccarinelli - Maccarinelli was never the number two: Cunningham, Mormeck and Bell all had a better claim.


According to my ratings at the time: None of these fights were between the number one and two in the division.

lefthook82 wrote:I was talking with my slightly uninformed friend about Joe Calzaghe as he as raving about hi performance against Roy Jones Jr. I was saying that his win against Kessler is his best win and that he should check it out on youtube. Obviouly he ddnt know who Kessler was so I told him he was at he very least seen as the number 2 super middlleight after Joe and is now seen as the number 1

It got me thinking, so I am here asking how many fights in the new millenium have been between the consensus number 1 and 2 in the division?

Now I know conensus is a contentious word becase boing, more than any sport, is about opinions. but lets just build up a list and then e can debate what we diagree with and of alternative figfhters ho may have been top 2 at the time of the fight

I'll start. Joe v Kessler

Captain Hook wrote:Don't listen to Horse, the "ratings" are the ones he comes up with in his bathroom...

Horse wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:Don't listen to Horse, the "ratings" are the ones he comes up with in his bathroom...

My ratings are sound, and I mostly come up with them sat in front of a computer screen.

Dioufy wrote:I always thought Enzo Macc was second, with Cunningham a very close third. But I suppose you could argue that Mormeck was still right up there too, so I will retract my statement. But in my opinion Haye was first and Macca was second.

Dioufy wrote:I know that, but people around him were getting beat (Mormeck, Cunningham and Bell).

Dioufy wrote:I know that, but people around him were getting beat (Mormeck, Cunningham and Bell).

Dioufy wrote:Krzysztof Wlodarczyk, although it was allegedly quite close and contentious.

Autobarn wrote:

Dioufy wrote:I know that, but people around him were getting beat (Mormeck, Cunningham and Bell).

what, because tey were actually fighting each other.

Dioufy wrote:

Autobarn wrote:

Dioufy wrote:I know that, but people around him were getting beat (Mormeck, Cunningham and Bell).

what, because tey were actually fighting each other.

I have since said I stand corrected on the issue of Enzo Macc being second only to Haye at the time of their fight. I just put down a fact, that Haye beat Mormeck, Mormeck beat Bell, and lost, and Cunningham lost to Wlodarczyk (deservedly you say). All the time, Enzo remained unbeaten holding his "world title", but I have now realised that wasn't enough to get him second spot, because he was fighting bums like Azzoui and Gunn. Really thinking about it now, I think Enzo was probably third or fourth.

Autobarn wrote:

Dioufy wrote:Krzysztof Wlodarczyk, although it was allegedly quite close and contentious.

I frelt Cunningham just lost that first fight - he was quite poor in it - but well won the rematch, with Wlod down and feeling sorry for himself through much o the contest.