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Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 04 Feb 2009, 20:03
by Asterix
banjo wrote:observer1 wrote:Khan should atleast be above Thaxton. After all, he beat the man who beat the man.
Who's this man who beat the man he beat then?
It's a long line...
Khan beat Earl who beat Romanov who beat Thaxton.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 04 Feb 2009, 20:27
by states
metropol wrote:Rendall Munroe seems way to high . He is never overly impressive and imo hasn't beaten any decent opposition and also imo has ducked Dunne. I think justice was done when ben got his crack at Cordoba and whether or not he wins at least he took a chance which is admirable.
Irrespective of one mans p4p list, how has justice been done by Dunne getting a crack at Cordoba? Surely Munroe deserves a little credit for outboxing the guy who blew away Dunne?
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 04 Feb 2009, 20:46
by metropol
states wrote:metropol wrote:Rendall Munroe seems way to high . He is never overly impressive and imo hasn't beaten any decent opposition and also imo has ducked Dunne. I think justice was done when ben got his crack at Cordoba and whether or not he wins at least he took a chance which is admirable.
Irrespective of one mans p4p list, how has justice been done by Dunne getting a crack at Cordoba? Surely Munroe deserves a little credit for outboxing the guy who blew away Dunne?
States , to me it was obvious that Munroe did not want to fight Dunne. Substantial offers were made by peters for the fight between Dunne and Munroe and these were turned down , so then Dunne options were limited. Then Dunne expressed interest in a world fight. Now that this world fight has been made it has emerged that Cordobas people were in talks with munroe and Martinez they apparently weren't too interested in this fight. Dunne was Cordobas last choice but the offer from peters was too good to refuse. I presume munroe is going to keep fighting in leisure centers with small crowds because imo Munroe is a level below Dunne.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 04 Feb 2009, 22:01
by states
The thing is, I have no knowledge of offers made to fighters. If you do know more than me, then fair enough. Having no knowledge of negotiations behind the scenes, I can only go on what I see in the ring, and I felt it was a little unfair of you to claim that Munroe hadn't "beaten any decent opposition and also imo has ducked Dunne" when he'd beaten the guy that smashed Dunne.
I wish Dunne all the best against Cordoba, but I'm not sure how you square Dunne as Cordoba's last choice, as opposed to a fighter who, as you say, fights in leisure centres. Surely Dunne was the biggest money?
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 11:31
by BigEars
states wrote:
I wish Dunne all the best against Cordoba, but I'm not sure how you square Dunne as Cordoba's last choice, as opposed to a fighter who, as you say, fights in leisure centres. Surely Dunne was the biggest money?
Well according to Cordoba's manager(in a radio interview on RTÉ) they offered the fight to all of Munroe, Martinez and Dunne and Dunne was the only one that answered them back, he then said Dunne was the one they wanted to face the least as they felt he was the most threat.
But from a financial point of view Dunne is probably the one they wanted the most and if they were aware of Dunne's drawing power financially before negotiations with any party had started I'm sure is the one they'd have wanted.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 15:14
by Horse
metropol wrote:Rendall Munroe seems way to high . He is never overly impressive and imo hasn't beaten any decent opposition and also imo has ducked Dunne. I think justice was done when ben got his crack at Cordoba and whether or not he wins at least he took a chance which is admirable.
When Munroe beat Martinez to win the European title, Dunne was ranked 13th in the rankings. I felt I had to enter Munroe above Dunne, so I entered Munroe in high at No.13 moving Dunne down a place. Since then he has made a few defences and has climbed into the top 10.
Perhaps Munroe is a few places too high, but only by about 2 or 3 places at most. If he beats Martinez again later this month, then I think Munroe will be considered a more solid member of the P4P top 10.
banjo wrote:I nearly died while reading this thread.
Best P4P list on the net.
Keep it up Horse
Thank you very much, banjo.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 17:24
by Horse
boxerbob wrote:hatton is number 1
*he has beaten the better fighters home and away
In the past 2 years Calzaghe's record has been better with wins over Kessler and Hopkins.
boxerbob wrote:*calzaghe best win is vs kessler , hattons is vs tyzuz (sp)....no comparison
Tszyu was old and inactive, whereas Kessler was in his prime. Both excellent wins, and I don't think the difference in merit between the two victories is a huge amount.
boxerbob wrote:*calzaghe struggled badly vs an old man in hopkins and has not fought the best in his title reign
Hopkins was in the top 10 P4P at the time, and he is still in that list even now.
boxerbob wrote:*hatton is fighting the best fighter on the planet for the 2nd time , he wanted to be tested thats why he left warren , calzaghe was happy fighting wbo bums for 10 years
hatton can look back at his career and say he fought the best and in thier prime , calzaghe cant.
Maybe so, but recently Calzaghe has been beating highly rated P4P fighters, and is considered to be higher than Hatton in the World P4P rankings by almost everybody.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 05 Feb 2009, 17:29
by Asterix
No point in arguing about Calzaghe's place any more. He's out!
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 16:07
by Horse
observer1 wrote:Khan should atleast be above Thaxton. After all, he beat the man who beat the man.
Thaxton is the European champion, and Khan recently got destroyed in a single round by an unproven prospect. So, I feel that Thaxton should be ranked above Khan at this moment in time.
Asterix wrote:banjo wrote:Who's this man who beat the man he beat then?
It's a long line...
Khan beat Earl who beat Romanov who beat Thaxton.
It didn't happen in a lineal way though did it? Anyway, the Earl who lost to Khan was a shadow of the Earl who beat Romanov.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 19:26
by Horse
Asterix wrote:No point in arguing about Calzaghe's place any more. He's out!
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 19:28
by DG.
Horse wrote:1. (1.) Joe Calzaghe
2. (2.) Ricky Hatton
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Carl Froch
5. (5.) Junior Witter
6. (6.) Clinton Woods
7. (7.) Nicky Cook
8. (8.) Enzo Maccarinelli
9. (9.) Jamie Moore
10. (10.) Rendall Munroe
11. (11.) Alex Arthur
12. (12.) Ian Napa
13. (13.) Matt Skelton
14. (14.) Kevin Mitchell
15. (15.) John Duddy (Irish)
16. (16.) Jonathan Thaxton
17. (17.) Amir Khan
18. (18.) Bernard Dunne (Irish)
19. (19.) Wayne Elcock
20. (22.) Kell Brook
21. (20.) Gavin Rees
22. (21.) Ryan Rhodes
23. (23.) Paul Appleby
24. (24.) Darren Barker
25. (NE.) John Murray
26. (25.) Paul McCloskey
27. (26.) Brian Magee
28. (27.) David Barnes
29. (28.) Dean Francis
30. (29.) Bradley Pryce
Out - (30.) Martin Lindsay
Calzaghe has retired.
Wake up, Horse!
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 19:31
by DG.
boxerbob wrote:hatton is number 1
*hatton is fighting the best fighter on the planet for the 2nd time , he wanted to be tested thats why he left warren , calzaghe was happy fighting wbo bums for 10 years
hatton can look back at his career and say he fought the best and in thier prime , calzaghe cant.
Hatton was CRUSHED like a bug by Mayweather.
He might be able to look back asn say he was CRUSHED.
Pacman is NOT the best on the planet.
A 10st Calzaghe DESTROYS Hatton.
Calzaghe is by far the Superior fighter...by far!
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 19:37
by Horse
DG. wrote:Calzaghe has retired.
Wake up, Horse!
This list was of course made before Calzaghe's retirement.
DG. wrote:Pacman is NOT the best on the planet.
Who is then?
DG. wrote:A 10st Calzaghe DESTROYS Hatton.
Calzaghe is by far the Superior fighter...by far!
I don't think that either Hatton or Calzaghe would destroy each other in a P4P fight.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 19:43
by DG.
Horse wrote:DG. wrote:Calzaghe has retired.
Wake up, Horse!
This list was of course made before Calzaghe's retirement.
DG. wrote:Pacman is NOT the best on the planet.
Who is then?
DG. wrote:A 10st Calzaghe DESTROYS Hatton.
Calzaghe is by far the Superior fighter...by far!
I don't think that either Hatton or Calzaghe would destroy each other in a P4P fight.
1) OK
2) JMM is superior to Pacman. He won 10 out of 12 in the 1s fight and won the rematch by 2 points imo.
3) Hatton wold be crushed. Even a Mayweather who hardly threw any punches toyed with him, what would a relentless fast hard punching granite chinned great engined fighter do to him. Calzaghe KO 7.
Re: British Top 30 P4P February 2009
Posted: 06 Feb 2009, 20:06
by Horse
DG. wrote:2) JMM is superior to Pacman. He won 10 out of 12 in the 1s fight and won the rematch by 2 points imo.
Okay, but I scored the fight to Pacquiao by one point and most consider Pacquiao to be the P4P number 1.
DG. wrote:3) Hatton wold be crushed. Even a Mayweather who hardly threw any punches toyed with him, what would a relentless fast hard punching granite chinned great engined fighter do to him. Calzaghe KO 7.
Calzaghe was floored by Hopkins and Roy Jones, I am not sure his chin is still made of granite. I doubt Calzaghe would knockout a fighter of the calibre of Hatton at this stage in his career, if he couldn't knockout Roy Jones.