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Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 07:20
by clubberlang
For all his popularity Duddy isn’t anything special, I reckon Barker would beat him on points.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 07:22
by Autobarn
steve689 wrote:Would definitely like to see Barker more active (I know about the long layoff after his brother's sad death) but defending the Commonwealth against someone like Kasim Ouma would be a good move, or maybe even Walid Smichet. When watching the Duddy scrap I even thought that Vanda would be a good 10 round international opponent for Barker right now.
I think Andy Lee might have the same idea - isn't he down to fight Smichet?
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 08:24
by ArtOfWar
Although I think it's an even match up on paper, Duddy is a much biger name from a marketing stand point. His team have done a great job in establishing his name in America, so I don't see him coming back to Britain to fight someone like Barker. He'll end up fighting Pavlik for a seven figure payday and probably get knocked out. After that maybe things will change if Barker keeps winning.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 08:26
by Dioufy
I know Darren's a small middleweight, but does anyone know if he could make 154lbs, and healthily?
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 08:43
by slapbangwhallop
Autobarn wrote:steve689 wrote:Would definitely like to see Barker more active (I know about the long layoff after his brother's sad death) but defending the Commonwealth against someone like Kasim Ouma would be a good move, or maybe even Walid Smichet. When watching the Duddy scrap I even thought that Vanda would be a good 10 round international opponent for Barker right now.
I think Andy Lee might have the same idea - isn't he down to fight Smichet?
he is fighting Anton Echwols (sp?)
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 08:54
by Lenny
Dioufy wrote:I know Darren's a small middleweight, but does anyone know if he could make 154lbs, and healthily?
I've personally not thought of Darren as a small middleweight since his comeback. Certainly doesn't look all that small in person and hardly looks to carry any extra weight that could be lost
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 09:26
by scrap iron
ArtOfWar wrote:Although I think it's an even match up on paper, Duddy is a much biger name from a marketing stand point. His team have done a great job in establishing his name in America, so I don't see him coming back to Britain to fight someone like Barker. He'll end up fighting Pavlik for a seven figure payday and probably get knocked out. After that maybe things will change if Barker keeps winning.
The plan was for Barker to face Duddy at MSG on the Froch v Taylor undercard. But I think Duddy will probably go for the bigger money and go for a straight shot against Pavlik.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 11:27
by Tommy Gunn13
scrap iron wrote:ArtOfWar wrote:Although I think it's an even match up on paper, Duddy is a much biger name from a marketing stand point. His team have done a great job in establishing his name in America, so I don't see him coming back to Britain to fight someone like Barker. He'll end up fighting Pavlik for a seven figure payday and probably get knocked out. After that maybe things will change if Barker keeps winning.
The plan was for Barker to face Duddy at MSG on the Froch v Taylor undercard. But I think Duddy will probably go for the bigger money and go for a straight shot against Pavlik.
Well yeah he will go straight for a title shot against Pavlik,Coz once Barker had schooled him there wouldnt be no title shot or big pay day
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 19:41
by DG.
BIGMARK wrote:it has always seem to me Duddy has been moved along with the aim of a title shot and big payday without having to fight a top guy. the man sells tickets and that means a lot these days so expect a title shot soon.
Exactly what is wrong with Boxing!
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 19:49
by DG.
BIGMARK wrote:DG. wrote:BIGMARK wrote:it has always seem to me Duddy has been moved along with the aim of a title shot and big payday without having to fight a top guy. the man sells tickets and that means a lot these days so expect a title shot soon.
Exactly what is wrong with Boxing!
i couldnt agree more but thats the state the game is in at the moment :(
Lets hope it changes....it won't!
I think Duddy will drop down to Light Middle..Pavlik would tear him apart just because of his size.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 08:27
by slapbangwhallop
BIGMARK wrote:Terence wrote:I thought he still looked easy to hit. His head movement was poor and he just pumpoed out the jab, whilst taking shots in return. Vanda had a good output and success rate. Duddy will never be able to adapt. On Saturday he was hittable yet was boring at the same time. He should revert back to type. Reminds me of when Gatti became a 'master boxer', against lesser names sure, as soon as he got into a real fight he either had no answer (Floyd) or was out-gunned (Baldo).
IMO Duddy makes Gatti look like Sugar Ray Robinson, i think he's more Micky Ward. Entertaining yes, future Champion NO
some days my boxing appetite cries out for a Mickey Ward - not every boxers has the silk of an Ian Napa and a PBFM - I'm not sure which fighter I like most Duddy the Brawler or Duddy the Boxer!
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 08:32
by Dioufy
I definitely prefer him as the boxer - if he turns brawler then his face seems to take a pounding, against not great opposition too.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 08:34
by champ4ever
it seems like it's gonna have to take alot to stop duddy because he does have a very good chin, and he has that desire to keep on coming no matter what, but the fact is he's defensively shit, and any fighter can eventually be broken down regardless of how good their chin is if their taking too many punches.
apparantly duddy and pavlik could happen.
Re: John Duddy - Darren Barker
Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 22:12
by forcefraser
Let`s be honest here, Duddy is still a way off world class. The middleweight division isn`t exactly the toughest around at the moment though.
Throw him in with Geale, it would be a good yardstick to see what they both are made of.