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Terence wrote:

J wrote:jesus christ mclellellan didnt quit he had the onset of brain trauma.

Aye, a bit of an odd shout that one. PN, are you by any chance Ferdie Pacheco?

I think PN was probably being a little ironic chaps.

He did quit but as I said there's no shame in it, better than getting your brains mashed out of pride. If I was in the same position with nothing left in the tank and taking heavy punishment then I'd go down on one knee, I wouldn't take extra beating just so a bunch of never do wells can watch me go out on my shield.

When Duran had his No Mas against Leonard even though he was still in the fight, that was shameful. When Tyson bit a mans ear off so he could avoid a beating, that was cowardly.

banjo wrote:He did quit but as I said there's no shame in it, better than getting your brains mashed out of pride. If I was in the same position with nothing left in the tank and taking heavy punishment then I'd go down on one knee, I wouldn't take extra beating just so a bunch of never do wells can watch me go out on my shield.

I agree completely with you mate & I've said it before & I'll say it again -- it used to be an honourable thing to know when you were beaten. It was a magnanimous gesture, conceding the field to the better man.

Yes, Cotto quit. But despite what the macho meathead contingent blather, there should be no shame in that.

One of the most poignant moments in boxing was Daniel Zaragoza saluting Erik Morales from the canvas in the eleventh round. I'll never forget that, & it made me think more of the man to do such a thing after such a long brutal fight. IMO it shows a certain amount of respectful character & grace.

Hagler2002 wrote:He didn't quit at all he was physically and mentally broken, if you're such a fan of his did you want him to stand there and take a load more punishment risking serious injury?

Golota is a quitter Cotto is far from it

No I didn't want him to take any more and I don't blame him for quitting, but that IMO is what he did. I'm not judging him harshly for quitting. I'm just saying what happened!

RE: Hagler2002.
You are wrong. I wanted him to quit! Read the post again. I know why he quit. He quit after giving it his all - don't confuse Cotto with the long list of American heavyweights who have jumped on the floor in recent million dollar paydays.
I have no desire to see anybody hurt.


Adios.

This all depends on your understanding and implementing of the rules. To me boxing is 2 guys fighting within a three minute time period, twelve times. If a fighter starts to struggle and look for a rest he can do a number of things. He can smack the other guy in the nuts, spit out his gum shield, take a knee, hug the opponent to death, etc, etc. Any of those escapes can be looked at from two angles, 1) the fighter was clever enough to buy himself a breather and did the sensible thing, or 2) the fighter was fairly beaten within one of the three minute periods and cheated to stop the other guy winning the fight then and there.

IMO it is deliberately accepting that you have lost the round and are in immediate danger of loosing the fight. You could argue that's why some governing bodies implement the 3 ko rule. How many times is a boxer allowed this escape when he has been clearly beaten by the opponent within the three minutes therefore depriving him of a probable KO. Out with the 3 ko rule I would not suggest that the refs become uber strict and start disqualifying boxers for this behaviour because there are too many times where a fighter may have accidentally lost his gum shield or legitimately slipped etc. However, this was not the case with Cotto he was simply beaten within the three minutes and couldn't continue. By taking the knee he was saying he needed a rest within the time that is allocated purely for fighting and that is (to me) quitting. I would never say that he pussied out or was in any way cowardly, but if his intention was to take a unscheduled rest before continuing then he chose not to play fair and literally took a time out. When he took the first knee you could argue that he genuinely put over by a barrage of punches therefore it was a legitimate knock down but when he took the second knee he was quitting because Margorito had not even hit him. He was just advancing on him (in the same terminator type style he had used in every other round) and that alone was enough to make Cotto touch down.

I was at the fight and I don't think he quit. He would've gone on if he had to, but having to and wanting to are two very different things. His body language was evidence of that woards, and at, the end of the fight.

Referee did the right thing, and if he didn't Diaz and Cotto in the corner were about to do it anyway.

Cotto was completely finished in that fight. He was exhausted (probably as a result of breathing difficulties from the broken nose), was cut badly, and was getting thrashed. What sense was there in getting up just to get smashed to the ground again.

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I was at the fight and I don't think he quit. He would've gone on if he had to, but having to and wanting to are two very different things. His body language was evidence of that woards, and at, the end of the fight.

Referee did the right thing, and if he didn't Diaz and Cotto in the corner were about to do it anyway.

That's exactly it, I agree! I think his corner should have thrown in the towel before it got to that, but Cotto, even though he was taking knees, kept going.

dbf wrote:Didn't Margarito break Cotto's nose around the 5/6 round? The fact that Cotto continued to fight after that showed that he wasn't a quitter.

He was spent at the end and couldn't give any more, I wouldn't call that quitting, I would call that being unable to continue.

I think it might have been the 2nd round. His breathing problems started then.

Asterix wrote:

dbf wrote:Didn't Margarito break Cotto's nose around the 5/6 round? The fact that Cotto continued to fight after that showed that he wasn't a quitter.

He was spent at the end and couldn't give any more, I wouldn't call that quitting, I would call that being unable to continue.

I think it might have been the 2nd round. His breathing problems started then.

I was told the next day that he was swallowing blood from the middle of the fight too, as in the Mosley fight. They said his breathing problems caused his mouth to open, which then meant he got cut again on the inside of his mouth.

Think it happened in the Judah fight too, but not 100% sure.

Yeah of course if you want to be EXACT you can throw that word at Cotto - but you'd look a bit of an inglorious idiot if you did. He'd been beaten within an inch of his life. You could say Ricky Hatton, for instance, has never "quit" - but maybe that's because Ricky would never go near the type of fighters Cotto routinely takes on. And no I don't mean Mike Jennings.

Even a warrior like Eric Morales knows when enough is enough.

Cotto was incredibly brave against Margarito. He could have jumped ship some time before the 11th round and I still wouldn't have blamed him. The fact he stayed in there for as long as he did proves what a courageous warrior the man is.

It's a nonsense topic IMO. He quit, he didn't quit? Who cares. The man's a legendary fighter, proved himself on many occasions.
If he quit so what, he had a go it wasn't enough. His health, his decision. It's a non-issue.