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bollox wrote:Still on the anti Hagler thing huh? I reckon Qawi would beat him at any weight above 160 but P4P as a fighter Hagler leaves Qawi in his wake

Ringsider is just a sad dingaling who only gets a 'bite' when he belittles Hagler. He just wants to be noticed and he knows knocking Hagler will get people to recognise his screen name.

I couldn't tell you a single thing about Ringo apart from he has a dislike for Hagler.

He's been around for years but, honestly, I have no recollection of anything he has ever said except hagler is over-rated.

What does he think about Ali? No idea, mate.

What fighters does he rate? No idea at all.

Has he ever made a meaningful post? Yes, he has mentioned Hagler is over-rated and given the odd snippet of 'information' to back up his view.

Has anyone ever agreed with him? Not to my knowledge and you would think with all the nutters that pass through here he'd find at least one as thick as himself.

Is he bothered? Not at all. Like I said he's just a poseur wanting to get noticed.

And I guess I just made his day.

God bless you, Ringo.

In the spirit of these imaginings, I would propose that Hagler, in order to atone for his fictional loss to Qawi, would in his next outing, quickly sign to fight Aaron Pryor and Aaron (high on coke and feeling invincible) agrees to the match. This absurd hypothetical would provide me the opportunity to enjoy the same sort of imaginary beating of a fighter that I have often mentioned I don't particularly care for.

I am now suspicious that this whole idea was nothing more than a ploy to throw ringsider a bone.

Buzz

Your disdain for Aaron Pryor is nearly as incomprehensible as Ringsider's is for Marvin Hagler.

Oh BS.....these clowns around here think Hagler was some sort of boxing guru, of which he was not. Just watch his fights. Then in his big chance to proove himself, he spends 12 rounds following Ray Leonard around like an amatuer, because in all his supposed mastery and greatness he forgot how to step to the side, and cut the ring off. He was exposed for the bumbler he was. The problem is everyone says he could do this or that....none of which he did. All he ever fought was MWs and blown up welters. Why do you think Hagler never tried to fight a LH? Because even he knew his ass would be handed to him. Now the Hagler fantasy fight fans have him fighting Qawi. Who is next? Larry Holmes vs. Marvin, how about Tex Cobb?.......Hagler was a MW, and a medicore MW who came along at a time when their were no MWs worthy of mentioning. He made his name fighting blown up welters and B class MWs. He came into his fights in shape and fought his heart out, but he was severely lacking in boxing skills, footwork, and grace. And on top of it all he was a southpaw.......

What about hagler ever impressed you Ringsider ?

Robinson wrote:What about hagler ever impressed you Ringsider ?

That he showed up in shape for his fights (which was a tribute to him) and he could bang.........but that is all that impressed me.

Well that is more credit than what the Gran man ever gave Ali.

So, you can not argue with that.

Seamus wrote:Buzz

Your disdain for Aaron Pryor is nearly as incomprehensible as Ringsider's is for Marvin Hagler.

Only for those individuals whose comprehensibility is limited. I have given a solid underpinning of reason and sensibility in support of my opinion on this matter. I have no disdain whatsoever for Aaron....just information and personal eyewitness accounting. On occasion I have shown disdain for those who choose not to look at the facts of the matter. But that is as they say...."a different kettle of fish".

Buzz....I think you keep forgetting...

what time it is...






Its Hawk Time,...

Robinson wrote:Buzz....I think you keep forgetting...

what time it is...






Its Hawk Time,...

Ken Hawk was a nice old man. Not at all like Buzz and his old buddy Jaclem.

ringsider wrote:Oh BS.....these clowns around here think Hagler was some sort of boxing guru, of which he was not. Just watch his fights. Then in his big chance to proove himself, he spends 12 rounds following Ray Leonard around like an amatuer, because in all his supposed mastery and greatness he forgot how to step to the side, and cut the ring off. He was exposed for the bumbler he was. The problem is everyone says he could do this or that....none of which he did. All he ever fought was MWs and blown up welters. Why do you think Hagler never tried to fight a LH? Because even he knew his ass would be handed to him. Now the Hagler fantasy fight fans have him fighting Qawi. Who is next? Larry Holmes vs. Marvin, how about Tex Cobb?.......Hagler was a MW, and a medicore MW who came along at a time when their were no MWs worthy of mentioning. He made his name fighting blown up welters and B class MWs. He came into his fights in shape and fought his heart out, but he was severely lacking in boxing skills, footwork, and grace. And on top of it all he was a southpaw.......

Wow...i guess judging by you slashing down Hagler you already have a biased opinion on the man. Set that aside and look at the good things he did in the ring. A record he piled up to 62-3-2...with 52 wins by KO and never being stopped. He fought Duran, Antuofermo x2, and a long hard fought match with Mugabi. Anyways, the guy was known for being able to take a hit, his workrate was amazing, his ring generalship. You don't think a weight drained Qawi at 168 could possibly lose to one of the greatest natural 160 lb fighters ever? Of course Qawi could throw a harder punch....but that's at 175! He lost to Leonard, because Leonard knew how to get into Hagler's head. Hagler WAS very good at cutting off the ring from pretty much everyone, including quicker blown up welterweights. Leonard was justtoo fast for Hagler to catch up with him. Not a big deal losing that fight at all.

bollox wrote:Who all grew out of middleweight. Unlike Hagler

Hopkins also fought in MW practically all his life. Many (including me) thought LHW will be too much for him before Tarver fight, and he proved us wrong. And now he goes to CW and somehow no one says "this guy fought too long in MW".

gregor wrote:

bollox wrote:Who all grew out of middleweight. Unlike Hagler

Hopkins also fought in MW practically all his life. Many (including me) thought LHW will be too much for him before Tarver fight, and he proved us wrong. And now he goes to CW and somehow no one says "this guy fought too long in MW".

At times I thought Hopkins could almost have made 154

All the division hopping these days, together with the fact that so many fighters fight well into their thirties, is blurring the historical boxing landscape. I much prefered it when fighters stuck to their natural weight division

gregor wrote:Hopkins also fought in MW practically all his life. Many (including me) thought LHW will be too much for him before Tarver fight, and he proved us wrong. And now he goes to CW and somehow no one says "this guy fought too long in MW".

- First off, Pops ain't in the CW division yet. It's all hot air for now.

2nd, many knew Tarver had blimped himself for his Rocky debut and was never an outstanding, consistant fighter. He was quite fortunate that Roy bothered to rematch him and he landed the single shot that made his fortune and reputation.

Tarver left what little he had left on the scales. Good win for Pops as Tarver at his worst is still a tough nut, but Pops never proved himself in the division as much as Calzaghe did, and Joe only had the two fights there, a very limited LH legacy.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

gregor wrote:Hopkins also fought in MW practically all his life. Many (including me) thought LHW will be too much for him before Tarver fight, and he proved us wrong. And now he goes to CW and somehow no one says "this guy fought too long in MW".

- First off, Pops ain't in the CW division yet. It's all hot air for now.

2nd, many knew Tarver had blimped himself for his Rocky debut and was never an outstanding, consistant fighter. He was quite fortunate that Roy bothered to rematch him and he landed the single shot that made his fortune and reputation.

Tarver left what little he had left on the scales. Good win for Pops as Tarver at his worst is still a tough nut, but Pops never proved himself in the division as much as Calzaghe did, and Joe only had the two fights there, a very limited LH legacy.

This goes a fair way to my point about history being distorted through division hopping and fighters fighting well into their 30's (and beyond). A 40 year old Hopkins beats a drained LHW in Tarver who beat a 30+ Roy Jones. The same Roy Jones who comfortably beat Hopkins at MW. What to make of it all?