CSAC Suspends All Amateur Boxing in California

[boxmel]

All they have to do is travel to a bordering state and box in shows there. Their passbooks work everywhere except in California. CSAC has no control outside of the California borders.

Yes, this is true - but when you figure that the Southern California Assn. alone has over 1400 boxers and sanctions at least two, if not three, shows per weekend (which are attended by boxers from throughout California, as well as Arizona and Nevada), the problem becomes more than just traveling to a bordering state/LBC in order to compete. Many of our clubs rely on what little monies they receive from the gate and concessions. None of the bordering LBCs or states have the amount of shows we do, therefore the opportunity for experience is radically lowered. You also have to remember that us officials, and the coaches/teams, are not always able to travel outside of our LBC due to the time and costs involved - gas, lodging, food. We are all volunteers and don't get paid. And, frankly, if I have to pay the CSAC $150 to be a judge, and an additional $50 to timekeep, they can do without me.

Ron - excellent commentary and thoughts.

[yungsav151]

We are all volunteers and don't get paid. And, frankly, if I have to pay the CSAC $150 to be a judge, and an additional $50 to timekeep, they can do without me.

This is the financial burden I am referring to. I understand that we should not have to pay these fees, I too volunteer my time, but as a coach. For the love of the sport I would not and could not let this stop me from getting my kids a chance to showcase their hardwork in a show. A major rule in boxing, never say I can't and never, never, quit! Mel, I'd even help pay your fees...No offense and by all means I mean no disrespect in my statements.

[415BOXING]

hopefully all this mess gets cleared up quik.the only ones getting hurt by all this is the kids.Also,for everyone in Southern California(boxing clubs,officials,coaches and boxers),please DO NOT blame this on coaches,clubs or boxers from Northern Cal!This is not our doing!This is a results of the greediness of Sonny Marson who lined his pockets and never gave back to the kids when it came to these private shows,also blame this on two disgruntled coaches,Ramona Gatto and Robert Salinas who claim to want to help the kids but really only care about being in the spotlight

[boxmel]

Also,for everyone in Southern California(boxing clubs,officials,coaches and boxers),please DO NOT blame this on coaches,clubs or boxers from Northern Cal!

Trust me, we don't. 8)

also blame this on two disgruntled coaches,Ramona Gatto and Robert Salinas who claim to want to help the kids but really only care about being in the spotlight

I blame the whole thing on Salinas. It's my bet that Sonny had a private show and didn't invite Salinas kids to box (and I can certainly understand why!) and Salinas is getting even.

[NYboxing]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=6724916

very interesting and wild situation. Link has some video/stories about this situation. I can only shake my head

[pbcsfinest]

All I can say is that Im sure this isnt the only place its happened, and there just using california to make an example.

[CALIFORNIA BOXING]

FROM THE LOOKS OF IT I GUESS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA JUNIOR OLYMPICS WILL BE PUT ON HOLD!!!

ANY WORD ON IT'S PROSPONED DATE OR IF THERE'S EVEN A NEW DATE?

THIS IS A VERY SAD & DISCOURAGING MOMENT IN CALIFORNIA AMATEUR BOXING...


AND AS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PUT A BURDEN ON THE SPORT

[yungsav151]

I got a 2 questions for those who have an answer; Does this mean no exhibitions or club vs. club sparring sessions? i know there are those clubs who hold "sparring sessions" in which clubs charge spectators in the form of fundraisers for equipment, fees, travel, etc. Will this impact sparring sessions to the point that a boxer must have his book due to liability reasons?

[Puncher7]

this really isnt a big deal if this is the only issue
I've been to several of these types of shows in various locations throughout the country and even in canada
It's a good way to make money
and the boxers arent "exposed" or anything of that nature.
USA Boxing rules are still followed and the safety of the boxer is still a big concern, so whats the big deal?

[yungsav151]

In my opinion, the big deal is that the big wigs are using our kids and amateurs like cock fighters. Not only that but hosting fights that are complete mismatches. To me thats ridiculous! Crap like that is what scars the sport and puts us in the predicament we're in. It really sucks for the fighters that bust their ass in the gym and on the road, you know the dedicated ones. The fools that put us here should be banned from amatuer boxing. What you guys think?

[Puncher7]

cockfighters? seriously????? if you think that then you should be against amateur boxing in general not just at these shows

[pbcsfinest]

You as well as judges can pull your fighters at a fight if you feel its a mis-match. First thing I do when I book a fight is ask the record. Thats where are jobs as coaches come in to be aware of there saftey. I am against someone pulling in thousands for their own personal profit though.

[yungsav151]

cockfighters? seriously????? if you think that then you should be against amateur boxing in general not just at these shows

Man, are you for real? I guess that was a bad analogy. I'm against gambling on amateur boxing. These fighters don't get nothing for their battles but, a trophy or medal at the club shows. My problem is that there is no proof where the money goes; back in the club, promoter, or LBC. USAB should have reports on what was made and where it went. I think there should be regulations set to account for revenue made or lost. Percentages should be divided up between the club, USAB, LBC, and other characters involved, with written proof. This should be for USAB in general not just Cali. Unfortunatley, wherever theres money involved you'll find greed and corruption. I look at amateur boxing as a positive outlet for life not as underground money maker, i.e. cockfighting. At the least, I think the ones at fault should be banned from USAB...Cut the dead weight!

[yungsav151]

You as well as judges can pull your fighters at a fight if you feel its a mis-match. First thing I do when I book a fight is ask the record. Thats where are jobs as coaches come in to be aware of there saftey. I am against someone pulling in thousands for their own personal profit though.

Nicely put.

[boxmel]

FROM THE LOOKS OF IT I GUESS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA JUNIOR OLYMPICS WILL BE PUT ON HOLD!!! ANY WORD ON IT'S PROSPONED DATE OR IF THERE'S EVEN A NEW DATE

The Southern California JO tournament has been postponed until after the April 13-14 deadline imposed by the CSAC. A decision will be made as to if and when it is rescheduled based on the outcome. At this point, the CSAC wants a $1000 bond and $250 promoters fee to put on the event and the general feeling is that the CSAC is extorting monies for its benefit. How many clubs do we know who can fork out that kind of money, especially when they don't make any on the event?

[boxmel]

I got a 2 questions for those who have an answer; Does this mean no exhibitions

Exhibitions are completely and totally against the rules and have been for years.

or club vs. club sparring sessions? i know there are those clubs who hold "sparring sessions" in which clubs charge spectators in the form of fundraisers for equipment, fees, travel, etc.

When more than one club "spars" another, for whatever the reason, and spectators are charged, it automatically becomes a sanctioned show. It is also against the rules to hold this type of unsanctioned event.

Will this impact sparring sessions to the point that a boxer must have his book due to liability reasons?

I'm not sure what you as asking - except that if a boxer is not registered with USA Boxing and gets hurt in a regulated and legal sparring session, he or she is not covered by USA Boxing's insurance and the gym/trainer could be vulnerable for a lawsuit.

[boxmel]

Man, are you for real? I guess that was a bad analogy. I'm against gambling on amateur boxing.

Over the years, I have seen spectators at private shows "bet" on corners among themselves - as I have also seen this at pro shows I've attended. This certainly is not the "big bucks" gambling as is done with bookies on major pro fights.

My problem is that there is no proof where the money goes; back in the club, promoter, or LBC.

In my experience, those asking for the private shows generally give a donation to the club hosting the event - any other monies goes for ring rental, trophies, to the fundraising recipient, etc. We don't have promoters in amateur boxing. For a local show, revenue comes in the form of concession sales and admission charges and goes back to the club.

USAB should have reports on what was made and where it went. I think there should be regulations set to account for revenue made or lost. Percentages should be divided up between the club, USAB, LBC, and other characters involved, with written proof. This should be for USAB in general not just Cali.

I believe that the CSAC started asking for such reports several years ago. I am not familiar with each LBC's method of reporting or even if they do. In most cases, the clubs don't make much, if any monies, and in my opinion, any revenue should go back to the club. And I definitely DO NOT think that ANY portion should go to USAB since they already get a percentage of registration and sanction fees from every LBC.

[Dennis]

I believe that the CSAC started asking for such reports several years ago. I am not familiar with each LBC's method of reporting or even if they do. In most cases, the clubs don't make much, if any monies, and in my opinion, any revenue should go back to the club. And I definitely DO NOT think that ANY portion should go to USAB since they already get a percentage of registration and sanction fees from every LBC.

Thank you for saying that Mel! I agree. Club shows are fundraisers for the host club. If they can put on a great show, with lots of volunteers, lots of publicity, lots of sponsors and have a great turnout, the club and the club alone should keep all the net proceeds. Most clubs only put on a couple of shows each year and need every penny the make to cover gym expenses, equipment expenses, uniforms, and travel expenses. Guess what? It typically doesn't come close to covering all of those expenses. The coaches, gym owners, and boxers/parents usually have to pay many of those expenses.

[boxmel]

UPDATE!

The CSAC is willing to allow the shows scheduled prior to the April 13th decision deadline under the following circumstances:

1. A $1000 bond is paid
2. A $250 promoter fee is paid
3. An insurance fee is paid to their broker (I'm currently trying to find out the rates for a one-day show and a 4-day tounament).
4. 5% of the gate is given to the CSAC

The USOC is not in agreement with the above and has stated that advancing tournaments to national championships may be held in neighboring states, if necessary.

Stay tuned.

[JMac]

UPDATE!

The CSAC is willing to allow the shows scheduled prior to the April 13th decision deadline under the following circumstances:

1. A $1000 bond is paid
2. A $250 promoter fee is paid
3. An insurance fee is paid to their broker (I'm currently trying to find out the rates for a one-day show and a 4-day tounament).
4. 5% of the gate is given to the CSAC

The USOC is not in agreement with the above and has stated that advancing tournaments to national championships may be held in neighboring states, if necessary.

Stay tuned.

What a joke the CSAC is. They're a bunch of political hacks that wouldn't know a left hook from a fish hook. If they don't back down, they ruin amateur boxing in CA. You should all protest at their office.

[Dennis]

I would be writing letters to everyone. The local government officials - city commissions, mayors, etc. State officials - State reps and State senators, governor, you name it. I would also be writing to the federal government officials - US Reps and Senators. That is a bunch of crap. I can see that they think there is money in it so now they want to regulate it to pad their coffers. Sonny may have had some shows that made some decent money, but we all know that the vast majority of shows don't make squat. The hosts are lucky to break even.

[pbcsfinest]

My vote goes to finish this out of state if possible

[Dennis]

It looks like the USOC has the same answer that I had previously given - go to neighboring states for the time being. Does the CSAC actually call it a $250.00 promoters fee? Are they really going to promote the show? I highly doubt it.

[boxmel]

Does the CSAC actually calls it a $250.00 promoters fee? Are they really going to promote the show? I highly doubt it.

Yep - but as we all know, the "promoter" will actually be the show host. Yes, I'm going to write a bunch of letters to Arnie, et al.

[boxmel]

UPDATE!

The CSAC is willing to allow the shows scheduled prior to the April 13th decision deadline under the following circumstances:

1. A $1000 bond is paid
2. A $250 promoter fee is paid
3. An insurance fee is paid to their broker (I'm currently trying to find out the rates for a one-day show and a 4-day tounament).
4. 5% of the gate is given to the CSAC

There's more! CSAC is also demanding fingerprints and passport-type pictures on all the LBC presidents. All four will not be complying.