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bennie wrote:That Sonny Liston took a dive against Ali in the second one. He actually got up and the fight was continuing when it was halted.

Jersey Joe Walcott was the ref wasn't he?

He started the count over Liston, broke away to ensure Ali was in the neutral corner, resumed the count, which Liston beat, but then was distracted by Nat Fleischer hollering that Liston hadn't beaten the count.

Whilst Walcot was distracted by Fleischer Liston and Ali began fighting again, only for Walcot to belatedly wave it off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAVMC1V ... re=related

jamesmcdonnell wrote:When you've just been knocked on your arse and can't see straight 70 seconds IS a long time. It definetly bought Ali enough extra time to ensure his head was clear.

He wasn't "bought" an extra 70 seconds. The knockdown happened right on the bell, so he'd have gotten the 60 anyway, which would probably have been enough. The extra few seconds wouldn't have made THAT much of a difference. And the point is, it was indeed only a few seconds, not a couple of extra minutes or whatever spin Cooper puts on it.

Technically, Dundee "helped the gloves on its way", as it was already torn.

Sorry to be a pedant.

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Chavez being unbeaten when he'd actually lost a fight

What was that one? First I've heard.

I do remember Don King billing Chavez-Camacho as 'unbeaten champion v unbeaten challenger', ignoring the fact that Greg Haugen had beaten Camacho the year before.
I think it was because Haugen tested positive for recreational drugs, but the result still stood.

oliverfennell wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:When you've just been knocked on your arse and can't see straight 70 seconds IS a long time. It definetly bought Ali enough extra time to ensure his head was clear.

He wasn't "bought" an extra 70 seconds. The knockdown happened right on the bell, so he'd have gotten the 60 anyway, which would probably have been enough. The extra few seconds wouldn't have made THAT much of a difference. And the point is, it was indeed only a few seconds, not a couple of extra minutes or whatever spin Cooper puts on it.

From a recording I saw from the end of the round until the beggining of the next round showed '65 seconds total', which would be a net gain of 5 seconds

chinny wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Chavez being unbeaten when he'd actually lost a fight

What was that one? First I've heard.

I do remember Don King billing Chavez-Camacho as 'unbeaten champion v unbeaten challenger', ignoring the fact that Greg Haugen had beaten Camacho the year before.
I think it was because Haugen tested positive for recreational drugs, but the result still stood.

Chavez had some sort of early loss, a DQ or something overturned a while down the line

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

chinny wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Chavez being unbeaten when he'd actually lost a fight

What was that one? First I've heard.

I do remember Don King billing Chavez-Camacho as 'unbeaten champion v unbeaten challenger', ignoring the fact that Greg Haugen had beaten Camacho the year before.
I think it was because Haugen tested positive for recreational drugs, but the result still stood.

Chavez had some sort of early loss, a DQ or something overturned a while down the line

Yeah I saw something about that too, it seems with the right connections you can get over this sort of thing, didn't Tysons people get a DQ win turned into a TKO so he could keep his perfect KO record?

TerribleTerry wrote:

bennie wrote:That Sonny Liston took a dive against Ali in the second one. He actually got up and the fight was continuing when it was halted.

Jersey Joe Walcott was the ref wasn't he?

He started the count over Liston, broke away to ensure Ali was in the neutral corner, resumed the count, which Liston beat, but then was distracted by Nat Fleischer hollering that Liston hadn't beaten the count.

Whilst Walcot was distracted by Fleischer Liston and Ali began fighting again, only for Walcot to belatedly wave it off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAVMC1V ... re=related

Its this that makes me think the fight was legit - or at least Liston wasn't involved in the controvesy, I also think its a beautifully timed punch and Gill Clancy has said a similar punch, thrown by Clay, landed on a fighter he was in charge off and he was out of it also.

I like the story about Ali training underwater. It made for some great photo's, but as far as 'training' goes, it was complete BS for publicity..

Did Don King really leave in Foreman's car following his title win v Frazier?

chinny wrote:Was Tyson really punching holes in the walls of his dressing room while waiting for Spinks to make his entrance (as Butch Lewis claims)?

There is a Tyson Biog on the Biography channel at the moment, it is a decent watch. Anyway they said that Tyson was banging holes in his dressing room wall and Spinks could hear him. Tyson went to the ring on time but Spinks was late making his entrance because he was scared. Butch Lewis and cigar was telling most if not all of that story. The Tyson Biog sprints through his career in one hour leaning heavily on Gus and the marriage and the rape but it has all the moments you remember. Well worth catching.

The way I heard it at the time, prior to Tucker's fight with Herbie Hide someone saw his trainer noshing his off in the dressing room..

No wonder he offered such feable resistance

In all seriousness, I can't see how it could possibly be true though, for so many reasons..[/quote][/quote]



all great trainers are good on the nad's DD what happend to the good old day's where trainers would have a massage bench & give there fighters a rub down to make them loose??
happy endings must of been the secret recipe where did someone here this??im thinking of turning over

Legend has it that Rocky MArciano's first fight was actually a loss.

Apparently he fought under his brothers name (something to do with Rocky not having a license due to his asthma or someting like that)

Will google it and see if there is a link.....

Stegsie wrote:Legend has it that Rocky MArciano's first fight was actually a loss.

Apparently he fought under his brothers name (something to do with Rocky not having a license due to his asthma or someting like that)

Will google it and see if there is a link.....

I heard he lost a fight....

BIGMARK wrote:what about Collins using Paul Mckeena to hypnotise him before the Eubank fight

Wasn't Paul McKenna, but another lifestyle guru/motivational quack named Tony Quinn.

Rocky had a couple of pro fights and was unbeaten, he then went back to an amatuer contest and lost a 3 round decision.
He went back to the pros and stayed unbeaten for the rest of his career, so he was undeafeated as a pro

What about did Brenden Ingle really teach Bomber Graham the slick style or did Bomber teach Ingle.

Margarito didn't know anything was in his handwraps!!

BIGMARK wrote:there always some great boxing stories out there. I have always like the thought of Roberto Duran Knocking out a horse or Jake laMotta drinking bulls bull to give him strength. I always like the story that Ronald Reagan installing a phone line in Cooneys dressing room before the Holmes fight so he could call the champ after he won yet didnt do the same thing for Holmes. The later i have since found out isnt true after questioning Buncey about it he told me he had interviewed Cooney who had told him it neve happen and was just part of the hype of the fight.
come on people lets have some myths.

i heard gatti KO'd a donkey at a fairground in new jersey

alexpaterson wrote:Foreman said he heard Gods voice after his loss to Jimmy Young when he got up again he was a reborn christian

i thought he saw the virgin mary in his dressing room after the ali fight?

Vivian Harris claimed that Junior Witter had a drugged substance on his gloves when they fought.

Hence him getting twatted.

What about that Tyson was innocent tall-tale?

I remember an unsubstantiate claim that Moore took a dive against Marciano, incredulous as me? Yeh, I know, Moore knocked him down. But it was on another forum for a while.

BIGMARK wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:What about that Tyson was innocent tall-tale?

that was just before he started robbing old ladies at 7 years old.

And sexually assaulting Atlas's teenage sister-in-law.

chinny wrote:

deadpan wrote: Douglas being 42/1 against Tyson. Tyson was 1/42, which is entirely different. As anyone in the thrall of the evil bookmaker will know.

Good one, its just lazy, lazy reporting isn't it.

There is no way that story Brendan Ingle used to tell about being on the top deck of a bus seeing a 6 year old Naz fight off a gang of bullies is true. Great copy though and the papers all lapped it up

I went through school with Naseems older brother Nabeel,he was one of 5 brothers and they had 4 Sisters.At the time when Naz was maybe 5 or 6 years of age they were the only Arab kids in the lower Wincobank area and their father Sal was a wiley shop keeper who would rap us with a long piece of bamboo cane if you misbehaved in his shop.Two reasons why they were singled out for bullying.Directly across from their shop on the opposite side of the road was a community hall and every month a disco would be held for the kids under the age of 16.And every month after the disco finished the windows of the Hameds shop windows would get smashed just for fun,the Hameds then would spend the rest of the month fighting with anyone who they suspected of being involved.Now about 100 yards above the community centre on the same side of the road still stands Wincobank infants school,the school yard runs all the way down the the main road fenced off at the pavement.Directly outside of the school is a bus stop which is the main bus route to a shopping area known as Firth Park which buses run to every 20 mins.I have sat on that bus over looking that school yard many a time and even though I no longer live in the area I have seen many scenarios involving kids in rough and tumble situations.Although for the last 15 years or so the school has become a multi racial one back in the day the Hameds were the the only ethnics attending that school.I would therefore find it quite plausible that 1 kid of ethnic race and color would stand out quite well fending off 4 or 5 white kids to an observer sat atop a double decker bus.Urban Myth ? maybe not!