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Baby Face Finster wrote:Welcome aboard the G Train everyone. It took a while but you all have finally arrived. Please take a seat behind me and strap yourselves in. Choooo Chooooo!

gilgamesh wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Welcome aboard the G Train everyone. It took a while but you all have finally arrived. Please take a seat behind me and strap yourselves in. Choooo Chooooo!

I've been on board...Martinez needs to step to the plate. Only a few fights worth GGG's time at Middleweight. Martinez, Chavez Jr., Daniel Geale, maybe Pirog or Sturm just for the hell of it. Then he should go knocking out the Carl Froch's and the Andre Ward's of the world.

Rover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:Welcome aboard the G Train everyone. It took a while but you all have finally arrived. Please take a seat behind me and strap yourselves in. Choooo Chooooo!

I've been on board...Martinez needs to step to the plate. Only a few fights worth GGG's time at Middleweight. Martinez, Chavez Jr., Daniel Geale, maybe Pirog or Sturm just for the hell of it. Then he should go knocking out the Carl Froch's and the Andre Ward's of the world.

I'd take Ward confidently.

DetroitHxC wrote:

columbo wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote:Jim just took a huge stab at Showtime.

Why what did he say?

He didn't really say anything explicitly, he just implied that Showtime was kinda disgraceful for the way they used "bad stuff" like the sexual acts with some girl and domestic violence claims that Malignaggi and Broner were saying to promote that fight.

DetroitHxC wrote: He has a lot more fans than people think. A lot of people that don't really care about boxing love Mayweather. I don't think one loss puts him on the backburner, that's ridiculous.

He obviously wouldn't be given the same status, but to suggest he goes right off the radar is just retarded.

Rover wrote:Ward's time won't be up for quite a while.

Ward UD Golovkin.

columbo wrote:

Rover wrote:Ward's time won't be up for quite a while.

Ward UD Golovkin.

Golovkin beat Dirrell in the amateurs who is also a very skilled boxer and very quick so I wouldnt write him off in that fight at all. Also Ward doesnt hit anywhere near hard enough to really bother Golovkin.

BROZO wrote:when he grows into 168 a fight with Froch would be a great fight.

Rover wrote:When people talk about Floyd and Ward, how much are their amateur credentials discussed?
Not much.

SouthpawStephen wrote:

Rover wrote:I don't care at all about the amateurs. We're in the pros, so talk to me about pro fights.

Well, he's dominated so far. You don't think he is something special?

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote:When people talk about Floyd and Ward, how much are their amateur credentials discussed?
Not much.

GGG would KO Floyd and Ward

DetroitHxC wrote:Rover, if you talk to ANY old timer in boxing, they will ALWAYS favor the fighter with more amatuer experience.

I don't know where you've been, but it's constantly brought up.

It has no influence on their current ranking, but it definitely plays into analyzing a matchup. It ALL plays into it. You judge a fighter at their current condition.

SouthpawStephen wrote:

Rover wrote:When people talk about Floyd and Ward, how much are their amateur credentials discussed?
Not much.

That's because neither have had the same am successs and experience as G. There is a reaon G is as successful as he is in the pros. It is because he has faced and beaten the best in teh Ams. He fights in the style he does because he understands the game. He isn't wreckless. He figures out what his opponents offer within the 1st round and so far, knows he can handle their power and uses effective footwork, precision, and power to win fights.

As knowledgable as you seem to be, Rover, I am surprised that you don't see the uniquness in GGG.

Rover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote:When people talk about Floyd and Ward, how much are their amateur credentials discussed?
Not much.

GGG would KO Floyd and Ward

Doubtful, especially Ward.

DetroitHxC wrote:They bring up Ward's Gold Medal all the time, and have talked about it with Floyd to a point of beating a dead horse.

When you watch a guy fight for years it gets old to keep on bringing up their amatuer experience, but I would bet BOTH nuts that it's been talked about extensively during pro fights of each of those fighters.

SouthpawStephen wrote:Rover, rewatch tonight's fight and watch how GGG changes around a minute into the fight. He KNOWS. He has a better understanding of the game than almost anyone I have seen since I have been watching the sport. Ward is a different fighter. I am not saying G beats him. But Ward is about talent and game plan. G already has that info inside him. He finds out what he needs to in the first round and makes his decision at that point. He has a very precise jab and effective defense when utilized.

SouthpawStephen wrote:I'm not going to put Golovkin in the top 10 just yet, however, I do feel he is one of the best P4P fighters on the planet at this point. He should earn that position. But I have little to no doubt that he will. He is a very special fight. Much more so than Adrian Broner...by miles.

SouthpawStephen wrote:

Rover wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote:Rover, rewatch tonight's fight and watch how GGG changes around a minute into the fight. He KNOWS. He has a better understanding of the game than almost anyone I have seen since I have been watching the sport. Ward is a different fighter. I am not saying G beats him. But Ward is about talent and game plan. G already has that info inside him. He finds out what he needs to in the first round and makes his decision at that point. He has a very precise jab and effective defense when utilized.

He hasn't fought anything near Ward.

True, but I believe G would demolish teh same fighters Ward has. In more dominating fashion as well.

DetroitHxC wrote:

Rover wrote:

DetroitHxC wrote:They bring up Ward's Gold Medal all the time, and have talked about it with Floyd to a point of beating a dead horse.

When you watch a guy fight for years it gets old to keep on bringing up their amatuer experience, but I would bet BOTH nuts that it's been talked about extensively during pro fights of each of those fighters.

Not when it comes to evaluating how they'll do in a fight. When people discuss Ward's status (P4P and all-time), his pro resume is the main focus.

I made it clear that it has no bearing on their ranking, but it's a factor in evaluating a fighter. Especially the more unknown a fighter is to the public. Like I said, you take them at their current condition.

SouthpawStephen wrote:

Rover wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote:I'm not going to put Golovkin in the top 10 just yet, however, I do feel he is one of the best P4P fighters on the planet at this point. He should earn that position. But I have little to no doubt that he will. He is a very special fight. Much more so than Adrian Broner...by miles.

I agree he's better than Broner. I remember Fantastic's saying Broner would put him in a coma (ridiculous).
But when your best win is Macklin, not P4P top 10 yet.

I agree with you. Bu comon. Who would you say beats him anywhere around his weight....except for Ward?

SouthpawStephen wrote:

Rover wrote:

SouthpawStephen wrote: True, but I believe G would demolish teh same fighters Ward has. In more dominating fashion as well.

I doubt he'd demolish Froch, Kessler and even Bika.

Bika would be first given his style. Kessler definitely. And I would be fully confident in his ability to get inside on Froch and put him on his ass.