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ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Not sure I'd have Naseem in there, great to watch, but lost against the only ATG he faced, and that was effectively the end of his career. He was bloody close to being great, but he needed some other big names, a Barrera, Morales or the like to make his career that bit more special. A bloody good fighter, but not quite up there with the greats for me, but bloody close.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I would have Naz as an ATG absolutely. I grew up in awe of him and he's one of the reasons I and probably 100s of others started boxing.

Why did you say this then: "Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career." if you are certain?

Stuarty30 wrote:As I said it's a matter of opinion. You see I try and look at things impartially. I am not a pompous wind bag like your good self.

You actually are quite pompous, but I doubt that you'll be able to see it in yourself.

Stuarty30 wrote:I would say legends and ATGs are again a matter of personal interpretation. Legends of British boxing but just missing out on ATG status.

So are Eubank and Benn ATLs?

Horse wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

Apparently being an All Time Great is better than being an All Time Legend.

I personally think Stuarty30 is talking a load of old guff, but he is of course entitled to his opinion.

Horse wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

Apparently being an All Time Great is better than being an All Time Legend.

I personally think Stuarty30 is talking a load of old guff, but he is of course entitled to his opinion.

Horse wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

Apparently being an All Time Great is better than being an All Time Legend.

I personally think Stuarty30 is talking a load of old guff, but he is of course entitled to his opinion.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Horse wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:What's the difference between and All Time Legend and an All Time Great? ? ?

Apparently being an All Time Great is better than being an All Time Legend.

I personally think Stuarty30 is talking a load of old guff, but he is of course entitled to his opinion.

Makes perfect sense. A legend is someone who was revered in their time - you don't have to be the best at anything to earn that status, apart from admiration.

Eddie the eagle was a legend, but he was also shite.

Stuarty30 wrote:I said possibly because I could see why people wouldn't have him in. I would have him down as a great. I could understand why some wouldn't. Doesn't mean I agree with them.

I can probably count on the one hand the amount of people I've rubbed up the wrong way on here. You do it on a daily basis and seem to take great pleasure in doing so.

Stuarty30 wrote:Your ATL comment is just the type of fecetious nonsense that is your trademark.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I said possibly because I could see why people wouldn't have him in. I would have him down as a great. I could understand why some wouldn't. Doesn't mean I agree with them.

I can probably count on the one hand the amount of people I've rubbed up the wrong way on here. You do it on a daily basis and seem to take great pleasure in doing so.

Some people can't stand losing and get their knickers in a twist about it.

You're acting like a right mercman in this thread. Try to calm down.

Stuarty30 wrote:Your ATL comment is just the type of fecetious nonsense that is your trademark.

You were the one who mentioned 'legends' as being an inferior version of 'greats'.

Do you stand by that?

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:No.

How far do you want to stretch the term great?

The top 100 or so.

How many British greats do you think there are?

Why won't anyone who says that Khan's not great answer that question?

Syntax Error wrote:Great fighters don't usually get violently knocked out 3 times in their primes.

The positives matter more than the negatives.

Syntax Error wrote:Khan is very good & game fighter, but it is unlikely he'll be remembered as a great unless he goes on a remarkable run, including avenging all his losses & possibly beating FMJ & Pac.

Ridiculous.

Stuarty30 wrote:Legends and greats are two different things in my opinion. A legend in my eyes may not be one in your eyes and neither of us can be right or wrong. The ATG point is part of the wider spectrum and open to scrutiny.

Stuarty30 wrote:At the end of the day Horse you are the one throwing the term great around loosely.

Stuarty30 wrote:Herrol Graham for example. Probably a legend in most people's eyes but an ATG? Not in my opinion.

Stuarty30 wrote:you seem to have an ATG British list and an ATG proper list. Make your mind up.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Legends and greats are two different things in my opinion. A legend in my eyes may not be one in your eyes and neither of us can be right or wrong. The ATG point is part of the wider spectrum and open to scrutiny.

This legends being a lesser version of greats idea seems ridiculous to me, but you carry on with it.

Stuarty30 wrote:At the end of the day Horse you are the one throwing the term great around loosely.

No, I'm not.

How many world greats are there then? 15 or so?

Stuarty30 wrote:Herrol Graham for example. Probably a legend in most people's eyes but an ATG? Not in my opinion.

Graham is a British ATG.

Stuarty30 wrote:you seem to have an ATG British list and an ATG proper list. Make your mind up.

Excuse me? I don't understand.

I'm only allowed to have a world ATG list or a British ATG list? I'm indecisive for having both?

Does the same apply to divisional lists as well?

Stuarty30 wrote:You can do whatever you like. You're throwing the term great around and using where it's not appropriate.

Amir Khan = No all time great

Floyd Mayweather = Yes all time great

Frank Bruno= No all time great

Lennox Lewis= Yes all time great

Big difference between great and good. That is all I am trying to say. I've tried to explain but you're being deliberately obstructive.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:You can do whatever you like. You're throwing the term great around and using where it's not appropriate.

Amir Khan = No all time great

Floyd Mayweather = Yes all time great

Frank Bruno= No all time great

Lennox Lewis= Yes all time great

Big difference between great and good. That is all I am trying to say. I've tried to explain but you're being deliberately obstructive.

Terrible post.

You didn't even attempt to answer any of my questions.

Stuarty30 wrote:I won't humour you and keep answering the same questions over and over. I've explained myself and have made it as transparent as possible.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're not a daft man so if you choose to ignore that then that's your prerogative. Bottom line is you're using the term great incorrectly. What else is there to understand?

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:I won't humour you and keep answering the same questions over and over. I've explained myself and have made it as transparent as possible.

You have refused to explain yourself properly.

I wonder why.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're not a daft man so if you choose to ignore that then that's your prerogative. Bottom line is you're using the term great incorrectly. What else is there to understand?

The bottom line is that this is merely your opinion.

Your conduct in this thread has been poor.

Stuarty30 wrote:Amir Khan is not an ATG you're talking out of your balloon knot! I have explained myself. I don't really know what else to say to you.

Conduct? You are special Horse

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Amir Khan is not an ATG you're talking out of your balloon knot! I have explained myself. I don't really know what else to say to you.

Conduct? You are special Horse

"You are special Horse", "you're talking out of your balloon knot!". Yes, conduct, poor conduct.

"you seem to have an ATG British list and an ATG proper list. Make your mind up." Can you explain what this means?

Anzi wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

Anzi wrote:you are wrong

They are the undisputed facts. Bradley beat Peterson easily - Peterson beat Khan. Bradley moved up undefeated to get a "win" over Pacquiao, Khan tried to regain a belt and got brutally KO'd again.

You have no idea of boxing do you ? that or you are hiding things. Pacman was robbed against Bradley, one of the biggest robberies, Khan's defeat on points to Peterson was disputed and Peterson was on PED's for the fight, to which the WBA super world title was handed back to Khan, or yes and Bradley's win over Peterson was 2 years before, you are so mixed up, you don't know where you are.

Stuarty30 wrote:You're using the term great wrong.

Stuarty30 wrote:Maybe have a best of British list then an ATG list?

Stuarty30 wrote:Just because they make you're British list doesn't make them an ATG.

Stuarty30 wrote:If my conduct has offended you then you need to have a word with yourself.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:You're using the term great wrong.

In your opinion.

Stuarty30 wrote:Maybe have a best of British list then an ATG list?

Pardon?

Stuarty30 wrote:Just because they make you're British list doesn't make them an ATG.

It does if I say it does.

Stuarty30 wrote:If my conduct has offended you then you need to have a word with yourself.

You need to have a word with yourself about your conduct.

How many All Time Greats are there in the world? Why won't you answer this question?

Anzi wrote:

Horse wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:No.

How far do you want to stretch the term great?

The top 100 or so.

How many British greats do you think there are?

Why won't anyone who says that Khan's not great answer that question?

Syntax Error wrote:Great fighters don't usually get violently knocked out 3 times in their primes.

The positives matter more than the negatives.

Syntax Error wrote:Khan is very good & game fighter, but it is unlikely he'll be remembered as a great unless he goes on a remarkable run, including avenging all his losses & possibly beating FMJ & Pac.

Ridiculous.

Error suits him

Stuarty30 wrote:How many active ATGs or how many on the whole? If it's the latter then I think you'll need to start another thread and give it a good few weeks. It would take more than mine and your knowledge put together to figure that one out.

Stuarty30 wrote:'It does if I say it does' What an absolute pudendum like statement to make. Very dickish.