Andre Ward vs. Sergio Kovalev RBR Discussion

[Enlightened-One]

We knew he had to knock the bum out to win in Las Vegas. We all knew that.

Nonsense! Wipe away your tears and get a grip on reality.

Nonsense? Do u know what Las Vegas is? Do u know how LV was born in the desert, who built nit, who financed it. and who runs it - all those gigantic glitzy vulgar "gaming" palaces? Have u ever followed boxing and boxing refs and boxing judges in LV? Even tonight alone should have ducated u about what it is lV, that prelim and then the main event, LV boxing judges in all their glory!

I'd have to posses Alan Turing-style World War II codebreaking skills to decipher the actual meaning from that random incoherent keyboard Tourettes-like nonsense detailed in your post.

[Lackeos]

He won 12 based on what? I'm going to have to watch the fight again but from memory he was pressured and hit more often than he was able to hit Kovalev. He ran and held for most of the round.

Although I had Ward ahead by a bit in the first 2 minutes or so, he stole it with some extremely powerful punches in the last minute. I think it started with a powerful upstairs hook and continued with mostly some sick body work near the final 10-20 seconds. Also, watch it with the sound on so you can actually hear the sound that the punches are making.

Even if u wanted to call all the rounds except rd. 2 a draw, 10-8 rd two made it Kovalev's. But their faces told a better story.

So your logic here is... "If you score the other 11 rounds all draws, instead of correctly scoring them 7-3-1 in Ward's favor, then the knockdown in round 2 would decide the fight. Also faces." Your logic is completely idiotic. Like... in Pacquiao - Marquez 1, Pacquiao dropped Marquez 3 times in round 1. If you scored the other 11 rounds draws, then Pacquiao wins by 4 points, but that's not how fights are scored, and Pacquiao didn't win by 4 points.

[Ilya Muromets]

Nonsense! Wipe away your tears and get a grip on reality.

Nonsense? Do u know what Las Vegas is? Do u know how LV was born in the desert, who built nit, who financed it. and who runs it - all those gigantic glitzy vulgar "gaming" palaces? Have u ever followed boxing and boxing refs and boxing judges in LV? Even tonight alone should have ducated u about what it is lV, that prelim and then the main event, LV boxing judges in all their glory!

I'd have to posses Alan Turing-style World War II codebreaking skills to decipher the actual meaning from that random incoherent keyboard Tourettes-like nonsense detailed in your post.

Did u ever consider the possibility that your major malfunction in reading comprehension is simply that you are...stupid?

[gilgamesh]

Bottom line: The issue won't be settled between these fighters unless we have a rematch.

[Ilya Muromets]

But please let me make it simpler for you, o great enlightened one:

The mafia runs Las Vegas.

Simple enuff?

[Covfefe]

But please let me make it simpler for you, o great enlightened one:

The mafia runs Las Vegas.

Simple enuff?

The mafia runs Russia too, point?

[Ilya Muromets]

Bottom line: The issue won't be settled between these fighters unless we have a rematch.

And the rematch must be in Russia with a Russian referee and three Russian judges in - let me see, what is Russia's most crooked city - ah I have it - it must be in Grozny, Chechnya!!!

[gilgamesh]

Bottom line: The issue won't be settled between these fighters unless we have a rematch.

And the rematch must be in Russia with a Russian referee and three Russian judges in - let me see, what is Russia's most crooked city - ah I have it - it must be in Grozny, Chechnya!!!

Since Ward got the W there'll be no rematch unless it's in Oakland. I can pretty well guarantee you that.

[Enlightened-One]

Nonsense? Do u know what Las Vegas is? Do u know how LV was born in the desert, who built nit, who financed it. and who runs it - all those gigantic glitzy vulgar "gaming" palaces? Have u ever followed boxing and boxing refs and boxing judges in LV? Even tonight alone should have ducated u about what it is lV, that prelim and then the main event, LV boxing judges in all their glory!

I'd have to posses Alan Turing-style World War II codebreaking skills to decipher the actual meaning from that random incoherent keyboard Tourettes-like nonsense detailed in your post.

Did u ever consider the possibility that your major malfunction in reading comprehension is simply that you are...stupid?

Mmmm... if being stupid means refraining from buying into factually unproven conspiracy theories that were solely borne from bitter and twisted people that feel compelled to make utterly absurd accusations rather than concede the possibility that their preferred fighter perhaps deserved to lose by decision in a very competitive closely-scored bout... then I must be stupid.

[Ilya Muromets]

Bottom line: The issue won't be settled between these fighters unless we have a rematch.

And the rematch must be in Russia with a Russian referee and three Russian judges in - let me see, what is Russia's most crooked city - ah I have it - it must be in Grozny, Chechnya!!!

Since Ward got the W there'll be no rematch unless it's in Oakland. I can pretty well guarantee you that.

Ward got no W. Three Las Vegas mafia judges said he did that's all. Russia should refuse to recognize it. The corrupt western boxing outfits have been messing with Russia for long enough now, like another crooked LV mafia outfit, Judge Goodman's (Ne) VADA drug testing racket and all that BS about Povetkin. What I would like to see is a lot of countries break away from all this las vegas boxing crookedness and form their own system, Russia, eastern Europe, and the rest of the BRIC countries.

[Ilya Muromets]

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[ldlamb]

What would it even mean, for Russia to "refuse to recognize" the result.

[jezzamundo]

Can someone explain why guys don't toss ward on his ass every time he tried to grapple?

I imagine it's because that's much easier said than done.

It's really not mate. A little bit of wrestling training would have another boxer hurting Ward in the clinch and putting him on his ass if they wanted to. He is very out of position grappling wise if someone wants to throw him around. That's why Kov was easily able to back him up onto the ropes.

Partly because Ward is very physically strong - he's not a big puncher, but he had a strength/wrestling advantage over just about everyone he fought a 168lb. Early in the fight I thought it looked like Kovalev was the physically stronger, but as the fight went on if anything Ward looked the stronger, and certainly the more skillful on the inside.

[greg]

What would it even mean, for Russia to "refuse to recognize" the result.

..it's just an emotional spontaneous after the fight comment, means absolutely nothing..

[jezzamundo]

By the way, what was with Andre Ward saying in his post-fight interview that it was the first time he had ever been knocked down in his professional career? Anyone can go on YouTube and watch him being knocked down heavily by Darnell Boone.

[manchester-mexican]

The HBO commentary team and addiliated journalists favoured Kovalev. Neutrals like the Sky commentary team favoured Ward.

The right man won.

Sky commentry was a bias joke. They gave Ward round 10

Was thinking the same, kovalev won tenth surely

[Ricky_]

The HBO commentary team and addiliated journalists favoured Kovalev. Neutrals like the Sky commentary team favoured Ward.

The right man won.

Sky commentry was a bias joke. They gave Ward round 10

Was thinking the same, kovalev won tenth surely

Maybe i'm losing my mind. All 3 stooges gave rd 10 to Ward on the card. If just 2 of them scored round 10 correctly the decision would be Kovs.

[The Insider]

Hearn had Ward winning too

That settles it then..

[magwitch]

I’m sure I saw Ward go for Kovalev’s right leg with his left hand earlyish on in that fight. I had no sound but Ward was kind of falling forwards and lost balance.....It was very surreal. The ref immediately seemed to be giving them both a talking to.

[Gimp Mask]

Where was Kov's body work? If they have a rematch, Kov better work that body more. He probably could have got Ward outta there with some solid body shots throughout the fight.

[magwitch]

I was intrigued watching Ward’s opening gambit. He looked for that left jab to Kovalev’s body about 5 times. He just kept trying to sneak it in. Kovalev held centre, but surprisingly looked very comfortable to just hold the centre. I think the pair of them boxed with respect for the other early on and neither man seemed to want to expend too much effort.

[Ilya Muromets]

What would it even mean, for Russia to "refuse to recognize" the result.

Like I said, Russia needs to stop putting up with the totally corrupt western boxing outfits continuously messing with their athletes - the olympics, and Povetkin to name just two - and those were Las Vegas again, Doctor Margaret Goodman and her Las Vegas (Ne)VADA mafia drug testing racket - and pull out and form their own boxing organization along with the rest of eastern Europe and the BRIC countries.

By the way, how did all those grifters dressed up in judge suits all figure that Ward won round twelve? To get their numbers up that's how. Round ten wasn't enough, huh?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I thought kovalev clearly won the fight. Ward didn't apply a single dirty tactic, so please stop with that shit. Just a microcosm of current boxing as a whole. Terrible undercard, decent fight that seems good because of the usual garbage and a robbery to top off the shit sundae I paid $65 for. Lol, never again.

[Butterbean]

so sad. ward should give it up.

[Tanzio]

Ward 115-112 on second viewing with no loud Russians in the room and no sound. Ward won the clearer rounds, with the exception of round 2. Ward landed cleaner. Ward out boxed him. Ward won that fight. It was close but clear, and there is no way in hell that Krusher got robbed.

Ward is P4P #1

1. Ward fairly close
2. 10-8 Krusher
3. Ward
4. Krusher very close
5. Ward close
6. krusher close
7. Ward
8. Ward fairly close
9. Ward
10. Krusher very close
11. Ward
12. Ward

Lederman should be retired. RJJ needs his eyes checked. This was a clear Ward win. If not for the KD, it was very clear. It won't be as close next time.