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Chippo wrote:

samdance wrote:

Controversial wrote:
He started at 7 and he made a 100 break aged 10. Have you played snooker to understand how rare and difficult that is especially as a kid when you are short and playing on a full size snooker table? He would have to have played snooker for over 9 hours a day, every day of the year for 3 years to play for 10,000 hours, unlikely don't you think considering he was at school. There have been people who have played for decades without getting close to that. There are professional snooker players who have gone the entire career without making a maximum break. The point still stands, he is naturally gifted at the sport.

I don't know a huge amount about snooker but it seems unlikely to me that there are professionals that have never made a century break, can you provide any examples? Making a century does not make you elite, making a 147 does and he only did that at 15

Sam, who can't sing very well, based on that video, is equally as talented a singer as Pavarotti, Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Freddie Mercury. Sam just doesn't work as hard as them.

Sam is also as naturally talented at soccer as Leo Messi. Sam just doesn't work as hard as Leo.

Sam is also as naturally talented at golf as Tiger Woods, but Tiger works harder.

Sam is also as naturally talented a tennis player as Roger Federer but Roger practices more therefore is better.



Utter drivel.

ValMar wrote:Yoy have not solved the problem yet, unbelievable.

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:
Haha what a silly person you are, I hadn't played for 13 years and finished the season with only 2 defeats in the 2nd tier, a majority of these players were playing when I was a child and haven't stopped.

Bit "selective" with the facts there aren't you? According to you own link you had 3 wins and 3 defeats in the glorified heights of the Bedwell second team. Anyway, if your opponents have been practicing all that time surely they ought to be much better than you according to your theory?

No they continue to practice the same incorrect technique

samdance wrote:

Chippo wrote:

samdance wrote:
I don't know a huge amount about snooker but it seems unlikely to me that there are professionals that have never made a century break, can you provide any examples? Making a century does not make you elite, making a 147 does and he only did that at 15

Sam, who can't sing very well, based on that video, is equally as talented a singer as Pavarotti, Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Freddie Mercury. Sam just doesn't work as hard as them.

Sam is also as naturally talented at soccer as Leo Messi. Sam just doesn't work as hard as Leo.

Sam is also as naturally talented at golf as Tiger Woods, but Tiger works harder.

Sam is also as naturally talented a tennis player as Roger Federer but Roger practices more therefore is better.



Utter drivel.

Thanks for your feedback sugar plum I'll pass it onto the people paying me for my singing and the beautiful apartment I live in, I started singing at 25...that might have something to do with it

samdance wrote:

ValMar wrote:Yoy have not solved the problem yet, unbelievable.

I think we have, I believe what I choose to believe and others the same.

People just love to have the last word...including me

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:

Bit "selective" with the facts there aren't you? According to you own link you had 3 wins and 3 defeats in the glorified heights of the Bedwell second team. Anyway, if your opponents have been practicing all that time surely they ought to be much better than you according to your theory?

No they continue to practice the same incorrect technique

All of them? How do you know? Is it because they haven't gone on to become the best in the world?

This is a "No true Scotsman" fallacy isn't it.

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:

ValMar wrote:Yoy have not solved the problem yet, unbelievable.

I think we have, I believe what I choose to believe and others the same.

People just love to have the last word...including me

Actually, no. Only effing idiots believe what they choose to believe. Intelligent people believe in whatever the evidence points to as being true.

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:

Chippo wrote:
Sam, who can't sing very well, based on that video, is equally as talented a singer as Pavarotti, Michael Jackson, Frank Sinatra, Freddie Mercury. Sam just doesn't work as hard as them.

Sam is also as naturally talented at soccer as Leo Messi. Sam just doesn't work as hard as Leo.

Sam is also as naturally talented at golf as Tiger Woods, but Tiger works harder.

Sam is also as naturally talented a tennis player as Roger Federer but Roger practices more therefore is better.



Utter drivel.

Thanks for your feedback sugar plum I'll pass it onto the people paying me for my singing and the beautiful apartment I live in, I started singing at 25...that might have something to do with it

Stevenage is lovely at this time of year.

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:
No they continue to practice the same incorrect technique

All of them? How do you know? Is it because they haven't gone on to become the best in the world?

This is a "No true Scotsman" fallacy isn't it.

Because I played most of them and beat them,

It is not, I am not changing my definitions, everyone else is doing that for me lol

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

If by "toying" you mean "making himself look like a effing tool", you are correct.

ValMar wrote:

gp. wrote:

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

If by "toying" you mean "making himself look like a effing tool", you are correct.

No...He is a very intelligent person, obviously.

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:
All of them? How do you know? Is it because they haven't gone on to become the best in the world?

This is a "No true Scotsman" fallacy isn't it.

Because I played most of them and beat them,

It is not, I am not changing my definitions, everyone else is doing that for me lol

You don't have to change your definitions.

Your claim is that anyone who practices for 10,000 hours will become the best in the world. Any example of people who have practiced for 10,000 hours and NOT become the best in the world you summarily dismiss as "not having practiced in the right way". You have no evidence of that, and you do not attempt to find any. You simply argue circularly that because anyone who did practice correctly would have become good, they can't have practiced correctly because they haven't become good.

The original definition of the No True Scotsman is thus:

"Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again". Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again; and, this time, finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion, but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says: "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

Adapting this to your case is easy.

"Imagine Sam Dance, a bloody fool, sitting down with his Stevenage Observer and seeing an article about how Pete Sampras practiced tennis for 10,000 hours and became the best in the world. Sam is delighted and claims that "Anybody who practices can become the best in the world." The next day he sits down to read his Stevenage Observer again; and, this time, finds an article about a man who practiced singing for 10,000 hours but never got any better than performing for old age pensioners in Marbella. This fact shows that Sam was wrong in his opinion, but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says: "They clearly didn't practice in the right way.""

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

samdance wrote:

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

Haha I don't know what you mean
It's getting a bit easy now as they are all getting a bit too wound up and hanging on my every word

ValMar wrote:

samdance wrote:

ValMar wrote:Samdance, I have a strong feeling that you enjoy, toying with some posters, here. Go on !

Haha I don't know what you mean
It's getting a bit easy now as they are all getting a bit too wound up and hanging on my every word

Well done !

Tony1244 wrote:

ValMar wrote:

samdance wrote:
Haha I don't know what you mean
It's getting a bit easy now as they are all getting a bit too wound up and hanging on my every word

Well done !

When I believe I'm being toyed with I usually continue to play along anyway. Its kind of fun to play the straight role in the comedy.

Chippo wrote:Especially when the perp is a camp wannabee who relies on self help books

Kalan wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

samdance wrote:
Science did not agree with evolution once apon a time, I'll wave at you from the moon

Will you be singing or playing table tennis up there?

But seriously, hard work and directed practice should be encouraged. If the 10,000 "rule" encourages people to work harder than I'm for it. What I'm not for is unrealistic expectations which can crush a young person when they don't achieve them. Do the hard work and improve yourself. 10,000 hours won't make you Michael Jordon. 10,000 hours, superior genetics, desire, and willpower may, but you only have control of one of those four variables.

punchoutsb wrote... "If we shoot for the moon even if we miss we land among the stars"

We land nowhere... That's like shooting at a duck and hitting the moon -- since the closest star is million of times as far away as the moon.

If you're looking for a feat that will prove impossible for humans -- star travel is a good bet... It's pure fantasy -- like time travel or becoming invisible.

samdance wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Well done !

When I believe I'm being toyed with I usually continue to play along anyway. Its kind of fun to play the straight role in the comedy.

Glad you enjoyed it as much as I have Tony

punchoutsb wrote:

Kalan wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Will you be singing or playing table tennis up there?

But seriously, hard work and directed practice should be encouraged. If the 10,000 "rule" encourages people to work harder than I'm for it. What I'm not for is unrealistic expectations which can crush a young person when they don't achieve them. Do the hard work and improve yourself. 10,000 hours won't make you Michael Jordon. 10,000 hours, superior genetics, desire, and willpower may, but you only have control of one of those four variables.

punchoutsb wrote... "If we shoot for the moon even if we miss we land among the stars"

We land nowhere... That's like shooting at a duck and hitting the moon -- since the closest star is million of times as far away as the moon.

If you're looking for a feat that will prove impossible for humans -- star travel is a good bet... It's pure fantasy -- like time travel or becoming invisible.

It's a quote, dumbass.

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:
Have you revised your claim to this now? It's still not true, but it's more believable.

Leaving aside the nonsense that anyone can become the best in the world, which you seem to have abandoned, this is true of some things. It's not true of sports. However hard I worked I would never have become good enough to play basketball or football professionally.

Singing, yes, it's probably true. The average person (not anyone - not the tone deaf) can work really hard and become good enough to be paid for singing at old people's homes in Stevenage, as you have. Well done. The fact is that there are people who could walk off the street and do it better than you, but its such a terrible job they don't want to. They do much better as accountants. or roofers, or whatever it is they do do.

I understand that you would probably never become professional as you clearly have no self confidence.

Haha I currently live and work in Mallorca getting paid per show and am fully booked until November, I live looking out onto the beach and have all day to sunbathe and practice my crafts.
I would say that in my experience a lot of people envy this life.
What do you do?

I earn quite a lot of money writing computer software.

Do you even realise that Mallorca is a place where any idiot can make a living as an "entertainer"? Las Vegas it is not, mate. It's only in your head that people envy you. If you want to go and live hand to mouth in a shitty holiday resort, that's great, go ahead. Please don't make the mistake of thinking everybody wants to do it.

How do you fit that in with playing ping-pong in Stevenage, by the way? Do Bedwell fifth team lay on a private jet when they need you?

Tony1244 wrote:

samdance wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

When I believe I'm being toyed with I usually continue to play along anyway. Its kind of fun to play the straight role in the comedy.

Glad you enjoyed it as much as I have Tony

I don't take these things personally. I'm from a family where we all call each other idiots.

If I think a statement is ridiculous, regardless of whether it was "a joke," I'll say it, and expect the same in return.

samdance wrote:

gp. wrote:

samdance wrote:
I understand that you would probably never become professional as you clearly have no self confidence.

Haha I currently live and work in Mallorca getting paid per show and am fully booked until November, I live looking out onto the beach and have all day to sunbathe and practice my crafts.
I would say that in my experience a lot of people envy this life.
What do you do?

I earn quite a lot of money writing computer software.

Do you even realise that Mallorca is a place where any idiot can make a living as an "entertainer"? Las Vegas it is not, mate. It's only in your head that people envy you. If you want to go and live hand to mouth in a shitty holiday resort, that's great, go ahead. Please don't make the mistake of thinking everybody wants to do it.

How do you fit that in with playing ping-pong in Stevenage, by the way? Do Bedwell fifth team lay on a private jet when they need you?

Sorry Gertrude, in all the excitement I missed this post.
I am specially a singer not any idiot can make a living doing that. I also tour the island doing different venues every night.
I never said that everyone is envious, unfortunately you made another error, but no worries I forgive you, I am basing the envy on what people say to me, maybe I'm too trusting and should always assume people are lying.

In Mallorca there is a season as it becomes very quiet in the winter months, therefore I come back home and do a take that tribute and fit in as much table tennis as I can.

Thanks for your patience,

Apologies for the late response