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brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 15:49

SenorPipino wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 15:46

brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 15:09

disgraceful the way they have kept fury out the ring

Fury did have a little something to do with that.

mate i dont like walking fast for the bus on a bit of thing, no way a performance enhancing drug , but your right drug is a drug , 6 months bang , not nearly 3 years

I wasn't really referring to Fury's difficulty in securing a license.

I meant that his alcohol and substance abuse left him in no condition to pursue his boxing career.

That was on him.

Because he was a physical and mental wreck, Fury had no choice but to walk away from boxing long before the commissions played hardball with granting him a license.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 13:17

mickey1975 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:18 It’s sold 13,000. Same as Crolla-Burns, a lot of Hatton contests. It’s about expected.

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This is the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world who you've spent years saying is more popular than ever in his hometown fighting in front of the same number of people as Ricky Burns?

Even if you're right and this isn't some 'everyone walked out to the bar when AJ came out' that's pretty dismal. Haye filled the O2 and his support act was a DJ.

Bore off with your constant hate of FW fighters, shows. Just over 13k there tonight and it isn't dismal at all. That's an excellent effort and naturally puts Fury as one of the bigger ticket sellers in the UK. Joshua, Warrington and perhaps Frampton who could do more.

And, you mention Ricky Burns, the fight was in Anthony Crolla's home town, clearly the main attraction for the fight between the pair of them.

Good that this 'event' is now out the way.

Hopefully, the 'linear' HW champion can now move forwards & his next opponent not be on life support & be an actual HW, oh, & hopefully he'll weigh a bit less than a Brachiosaurus next time out too.

ozzy1875 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 01:46

dirk2686 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 13:17

mickey1975 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 10:18 It’s sold 13,000. Same as Crolla-Burns, a lot of Hatton contests. It’s about expected.

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This is the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world who you've spent years saying is more popular than ever in his hometown fighting in front of the same number of people as Ricky Burns?

Even if you're right and this isn't some 'everyone walked out to the bar when AJ came out' that's pretty dismal. Haye filled the O2 and his support act was a DJ.

Bore off with your constant hate of FW fighters, shows. Just over 13k there tonight and it isn't dismal at all. That's an excellent effort and naturally puts Fury as one of the bigger ticket sellers in the UK. Joshua, Warrington and perhaps Frampton who could do more.

And, you mention Ricky Burns, the fight was in Anthony Crolla's home town, clearly the main attraction for the fight between the pair of them.

Bit of a joke at Mick's expense to be fair. He's long used the fact that 50,000 watched Wlad v Fury as evidence that Tyson is some sort of massive seller.

I'll carry on criticising promotion if it's bad promotion. That main event was a joke and plainly turns people off boxing.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 06:21 . This has sold abysmally.

What's that you were saying mr 40%?

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 04:33

dirk2686 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 06:21 . This has sold abysmally.

What's that you were saying mr 40%?

I think you need to differentiate between tickets sold and tickets given away. You could have as many as you liked on Friday morning.

Point remains the same: Fury's popularity was supposedly bigger than it had ever been and it doesn't look that way. Comments sections across the media about this fight this morning are dismissing it as a total embarrassment.

Now the dust has settled I can't see BT Sport being remotely happy with Fwank.

I am a big Fury fan and he's done well to get this far - as in, most of the weight off and back in the ring actually fighting again - but i think when the bell rang he should have actually got down to business. It seemed like the bell rang and he just continued with the larking about. It backfired when the other guy quit on his stool, putting a cloud over the whole thing really. If you prat about, there is always the chance of something like that, you couldn't imagine Haye or AJ larking around after the first bell goes. I get that he was soaking up the moment and was relieved to be back in there but its backfired on him a bit.

Zooming out, in the wider context of things it was never going to be anything but an easy return but I'm sure Fwank and Tyson would have preferred a few knock downs and all that - something you can replay afterwards for effect.

Anyone who backs that is a joke.

That was taking liberty's in there and was a disgusting advert for boxing. I think the best thing happened and it was a stinker and the man quit on his stool. Karma

The whole card was a laughing stock. I am glad I did not need to endure that. I went to an amateur boxing show in Dundee and it was top notch. Evenly matched fights how it should be.

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:25 you couldn't imagine Haye larking around after the first bell goes.

Not larking around but he literally did nothing but stare at Audley for the first two rounds? For similar reasons as Fury didn't exactly look to step on the gas early IMO

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:50

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:25 you couldn't imagine Haye larking around after the first bell goes.

Not larking around but he literally did nothing but stare at Audley for the first two rounds? For similar reasons as Fury didn't exactly look to step on the gas early IMO

That was a mismatched world title fight which Haye won having been hit once. Don't get me wrong - it told us nothing - but Haye did the job. The criticism afterward was primarily at the fact the fight was made in the first place and towards Harrison for promising to go out swinging and then doing nothing at all before crumbling.

It's quite different to giving his opponent a kiss, turning his back, waltzing around with his hands above his head, watching a fight in the crowd and being plain fat.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:50

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:25 you couldn't imagine Haye larking around after the first bell goes.

Not larking around but he literally did nothing but stare at Audley for the first two rounds? For similar reasons as Fury didn't exactly look to step on the gas early IMO

Fair enough. I think the point I was trying to make was that when faced with a road sweeper, it would make more sense to run him over rather than pxxx about so much.

I think with Haye, and I'm not excusing it, at least with Audley coming off the Sprott knock out, Haye knew to take care and not play into Audley's hands and walk onto something like Sprott did. But yes that fight was a stinker, although the ending was at least conclusive and dramatic, which can't be said for last night's affair.

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 06:10

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:50

JimJim2009 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 05:25 you couldn't imagine Haye larking around after the first bell goes.

Not larking around but he literally did nothing but stare at Audley for the first two rounds? For similar reasons as Fury didn't exactly look to step on the gas early IMO

Fair enough. I think the point I was trying to make was that when faced with a road sweeper, it would make more sense to run him over rather than pxxx about so much.

I think with Haye, and I'm not excusing it, at least with Audley coming off the Sprott knock out, Haye knew to take care and not play into Audley's hands and walk onto something like Sprott did. But yes that fight was a stinker, although the ending was at least conclusive and dramatic, which can't be said for last night's affair.

Indeed, I just didn't think it wholly fair to characterise Haye as always being this from-the-bell killer when in mismatches.

It’s great to have Fury back but it was big opportunity missed last night.

My Facebook feed (from casual boxing fans) was full of people saying how poor Fury looked, how much of a joke the fight was and in a few cases, that it was an embarrassment to the sport.

I would struggle to disagree with them.

It’s good that he’s back out in August on an undercard. Hopefully the next time he’s main evening it will be against much better opposition and he doesn’t clown around as much.

The fight last night sold pretty well (it looked like c.12,000 in there) but it’s going to be difficult to build on that or even maintain after the way the fight went.

Terrible fight.

Fury is way better than this even with 1000 days out of the ring. He doesn't need to be in these type of fight, it's nonsense.

Sefer was there for the payday, watching him hanging around after the fight for one of Fury's gloves about summed up it up for me.

Fury appears to have the support of the public this time around, but his team need to lower the hype, Fury needs to get in better shape, and warren absolutely has to bring in better fighters and provide better security. Watching people walk out in droves while the fight was still going on was an embarrassment to all involved with the show.

This Geezer never holds back and he's always been a Fury fan, think he sums the whole specticle up for what it was Warning he's a bit sweary

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑10 Jun 2018, 08:03 Terrible fight.

Fury is way better than this even with 1000 days out of the ring. He doesn't need to be in these type of fight, it's nonsense.

Sefer was there for the payday, watching him hanging around after the fight for one of Fury's gloves about summed up it up for me.

Fury appears to have the support of the public this time around, but his team need to lower the hype, Fury needs to get in better shape, and warren absolutely has to bring in better fighters and provide better security. Watching people walk out in droves while the fight was still going on was an embarrassment to all involved with the show.

Absolutely spot on.

There was never any need for Fury to scrape the barrel to this degree.

He would have learned precisely nothing from this 'fight'& those who watched him wouldn't have either.

He would have been better spending more time getting into proper shape, then coming back against someone that can hit him back & make him work for a victory.

Tyson----Never clown around with an overmatched midget opponent.

Most fans watching already knew that the "fight" was a joke. Don't go out of your way to rub it in. You don't exactly look daring.

If you're going to clown and blow kisses, save it for a Joshua or a Wilder.

Then we'll see if you're daring enough to play around with guys more your size who can fight back.

We now live in such unforgiving times. This fight really need not to be taken so seriously.

This fight will be forgotten as soon as Fury weighs in a stone lighter in august and faces a stiffer test.

Last night's opponent was exceedingly poor, that we all know, and the fact that he wasnt even a heavyweight makes it all the more inexcusable. Saying that Fury himself conceded after the fight that he wasn't happy fighting Seferi and had wanted someone better. The problem with Fury's career at this stage is that his dad and allegedly are driving the machine and calling the shots.

Fury was never going to look good last night. He is still 2 stone overweight and has never been a dynamite puncher, hence he wasn't ever going to blast the fella out. Let's not forget that it's never easy for a huge bloke punching down on a much smaller opponent. We learnt nothing last night except that Fury has a long, long way to go.

Last night reflects most poorly on allegedly than Fury.

I just....surely everyone could see it was gonna be a joke fight? Seferi was not only a cruiser, he'd never been near world class at that weight either, as well as being almost 40. Fury is a clown. I never thought he'd get back in the ring, but I guess for a sideshow it's not so bad.

out of interest.......

people are going on about Seferi's weight etc.

Would Bellew be an acceptable opponent next time? (same weight as Seferi!!)

Wilder is barely 16 stone...and was less than that 2 fights ago.

Mike Tyson was only 15 stone something when he was a wrecking ball.

Its not about the weight, its about the quality of opponent. 95% of heavyweights are seriously outweighed and out 'heighted' by Fury.

Next fight, I care not about the weight, its all about the opponent being alive and dangerous. I would actually accept briggs as an opponent somewhere, at least he would throw bombs.

rhino222 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 07:33 out of interest.......

people are going on about Seferi's weight etc.

Would Bellew be an acceptable opponent next time? (same weight as Seferi!!)

Wilder is barely 16 stone...and was less than that 2 fights ago.

Mike Tyson was only 15 stone something when he was a wrecking ball.

Its not about the weight, its about the quality of opponent. 95% of heavyweights are seriously outweighed and out 'heighted' by Fury.

Next fight, I care not about the weight, its all about the opponent being alive and dangerous. I would actually accept briggs as an opponent somewhere, at least he would throw bombs.

It’s not the weight per se, it’s the weight that the guy campaigns at. He’s a cruiserweight and therefore didn’t belong in the same ring. Hardly comparable to a small but genuine heavyweight, is it.

If you watched the public workout videos in fight week, you could see Seferi couldn’t even throw a jab. He could have weighed 5 stone more and that fact would remain.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 07:42

rhino222 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 07:33 out of interest.......

people are going on about Seferi's weight etc.

Would Bellew be an acceptable opponent next time? (same weight as Seferi!!)

Wilder is barely 16 stone...and was less than that 2 fights ago.

Mike Tyson was only 15 stone something when he was a wrecking ball.

Its not about the weight, its about the quality of opponent. 95% of heavyweights are seriously outweighed and out 'heighted' by Fury.

Next fight, I care not about the weight, its all about the opponent being alive and dangerous. I would actually accept briggs as an opponent somewhere, at least he would throw bombs.

It’s not the weight per se, it’s the weight that the guy campaigns at. He’s a cruiserweight and therefore didn’t belong in the same ring. Hardly comparable to a small but genuine heavyweight, is it.

bellew is deffo not a heavyweight, but would the public accept him as an opponent for fury?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 07:42It’s not the weight per se, it’s the weight that the guy campaigns at. He’s a cruiserweight and therefore didn’t belong in the same ring. Hardly comparable to a small but genuine heavyweight, is it.

It's not even that he was a cruiserweight that campaigned at cruiserweight. It is that he was those things as well as not being very good even in his own weight division.

If Fury had been fighting Usyk, Lebedev or Huck; I don't think people would have been complaining.

rhino222 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 08:06bellew is deffo not a heavyweight, but would the public accept him as an opponent for fury?

Yes.