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caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:24

Jacopodb wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 17:38

caldo2025 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 19:30

Buddy, you’re in the wrong place to ask for us to be easy. These chumps are relentless. I on the other hand, like your style. Your opinion on this one is pretty whacky but at least you told how you felt.

To put Rigo in a conversation with GGG historically is not even close to fair. GGG has not only never lost or been on the canvas, he’s never even been hurt for that matter. Rigo has been knocked down in most of his fights and quit inside the ring.

So you people that hate GGG, don’t be ridiculous with your comparisons. The guy deserves credit because he’s been probably the only boxer that tried to do it right. He wanted to fight the best. He was avoided and had little to work with but when he got in with quality, he beat everyone that tried. It’s sad that boxing fans can’t give in to their pride and just give the guy his due. It’s not like he’s a Charlo yapping like a fool. GGG is respectful and down to earth and has been great for this game. The poor guy got screwed out of his legacy so can’t you just let him have what he deserves. He’s a great champion and all time great.

I guess I don't like your style as much as you like mine.

As much as I must stay respectful, pointing out that I'm no fan of anyone or anything (I just respect competence), I must state, as it's pretty obvious but still unread by myself in this context, that GGG's not a happy era for middleweights: the times of Monzon, Hagler, and even Minter, are sadly gone.

Any boxer at least at Sergio Martinez' level (proficient, I reckon) would eat good GGG alive. A dangerous outsider, I can see it, but not an all-timer. Maybe in an all-time-middleweight-top-30 (very, very "generously" -or ignorantly-), but he would be in an above-named-weight class-top-20 more for the stink of his farts than for his boxing skills.
Forget any respectable p4p list... Soviet crap.

Sorry, but you may want to put the floatty arms on and get back in the low end of the community pool with these kinds of comments.

Well, dude, you could guess who would give a damn about that... Nothing personal. :)

I'm beginning to feel quite fed up with this. Most probably this could be my last post in this thread, then I'll let yourself boil in your own broth.

If good GGG has struggled against Canelo who is arguably future all-of-fame material, but he's still a natural superwelterweight, how could you think he would have related to Leonard or Hearns..? Do you know that couple of guys, dude? How on Earth could GGG even dream about setting up the pace Hagler kept in the Hearns fight?
Either you're kidding me, or you must be GGG's mother, if he ever got a blind mother.

Look, I'm still convinced that Pavlik and Jermain Taylor would just need to train hard enough with the right entourage and they could give this clearly ovethyped GGG the time of his life, if not else. Boxing-hall-of-fame editors aren't any messiah, and even if they were, I still wouldn't judge a boxer by the fact that he figures in the hall of fame or not, as much as I know that there are soccer/European football players that haven't won the ballon d'or, stronger than some who have won it...
Digression closed, end of paragraph.

I've seen GGG get ting hit flush enough by that Canelo guy... snapping his head back like a bowling pin... no middleweight all-timer whatsoever would take a punch like that from a naturally-lighter guy like the still-great Saul Alvarez, sure as f*ck.
Perhaps defense is the most overrated GGG's feature.

Besides, I have a lot of respect for Canelo: facing MayweatherJr. while you're 23 years old or so, takes quite a pair of balls: now, if great-at-welterweight Floyd Jr. handled hard-hitting, prime, and already expert Canelo, who humbled GGG in an unquestionable way, how do you think GGG would relate to the likes of Hearns, Leonard and Duran, who would give Mayweather Jr. a harder time if not else..?

Now take all the time you want to answer: either way, by now, I feel I've got nothing more to say about GGG, and this might last for a while in this forum...
So you might sleep well tonight. ;) Cheers.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:29

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:24

Jacopodb wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 17:38

I guess I don't like your style as much as you like mine.

As much as I must stay respectful, pointing out that I'm no fan of anyone or anything (I just respect competence), I must state, as it's pretty obvious but still unread by myself in this context, that GGG's not a happy era for middleweights: the times of Monzon, Hagler, and even Minter, are sadly gone.

Any boxer at least at Sergio Martinez' level (proficient, I reckon) would eat good GGG alive. A dangerous outsider, I can see it, but not an all-timer. Maybe in an all-time-middleweight-top-30 (very, very "generously" -or ignorantly-), but he would be in an above-named-weight class-top-20 more for the stink of his farts than for his boxing skills.
Forget any respectable p4p list... Soviet crap.

Sorry, but you may want to put the floatty arms on and get back in the low end of the community pool with these kinds of comments. What the novice boxing mind doesn't understand is that it's easy and simple minded to categorize a whole weight class as weak when what you never considered is the fact that GGG's excellence as a boxer is the major reason why there's no competition at the weight. He's so much better than everyone else but the weak minded people call it a weak weight class instead of pointing out that the only reason that the weight class is weak is because this kid is so damn good that he knocks out everyone he has had to except for a couple.

You point out Sergio, Hagler, Monzone and Minter. The ONLY one that you could have any kind of argument with is Hagler and what happened there? A 147 pound fighter moved up in weight after retiring for almost 3 years and beat him. The ONLY signature fights Hagler ever had were against career welterweights. Please don't pull a John "the Beast" Mugabi on me right now. Is that the top of the heap of Hagler defenses?

The view on Hagler is mostly nostalgic and i do it too because i loved him as well but he was a VERY limited fighter. GGG vs. Hagler wouldn't have been close. GGG's jab is the difference. There's never been a MW with a jab like his. All Hagler had was a jaw and i'd take GGG's jaw over anyones.

Usyk has cleaned out the CW division, but it's a strong division with several very strong fighters. So in that case, a dominant fighter at the top certainly doesn't make the division appear weak, it makes Usyk appear as great as he is.

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

caldo2025 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:29

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:24

Sorry, but you may want to put the floatty arms on and get back in the low end of the community pool with these kinds of comments. What the novice boxing mind doesn't understand is that it's easy and simple minded to categorize a whole weight class as weak when what you never considered is the fact that GGG's excellence as a boxer is the major reason why there's no competition at the weight. He's so much better than everyone else but the weak minded people call it a weak weight class instead of pointing out that the only reason that the weight class is weak is because this kid is so damn good that he knocks out everyone he has had to except for a couple.

You point out Sergio, Hagler, Monzone and Minter. The ONLY one that you could have any kind of argument with is Hagler and what happened there? A 147 pound fighter moved up in weight after retiring for almost 3 years and beat him. The ONLY signature fights Hagler ever had were against career welterweights. Please don't pull a John "the Beast" Mugabi on me right now. Is that the top of the heap of Hagler defenses?

The view on Hagler is mostly nostalgic and i do it too because i loved him as well but he was a VERY limited fighter. GGG vs. Hagler wouldn't have been close. GGG's jab is the difference. There's never been a MW with a jab like his. All Hagler had was a jaw and i'd take GGG's jaw over anyones.

Usyk has cleaned out the CW division, but it's a strong division with several very strong fighters. So in that case, a dominant fighter at the top certainly doesn't make the division appear weak, it makes Usyk appear as great as he is.

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

Subscribed: I understand your frustration, pal. Usyk is a spectacular fighter, but let's not mess with the wrong guys...

IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

In no particular order:
Alì
Marciano
Joe Louis
Sam Langford
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson

Above named are only ten heavyweights, all better, faster or stronger than Joshua. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 boxers list.

And I could even go on, dude: Holyfield, Foreman, Frazier, Norton... Don't get me started on this, ok?

I agree with you. Read what im wrote

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Sorry, thought it was the Joshua-all-timer thread. My bad...

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:00

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten heavyweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Sorry, thought it was the Joshua-all-timer thread. My bad...

In that case, your opinion is different than mine

Why can't I cancel my posts anymore? I posted the right answer on the wrong thread... I beg your pardon.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

Like ive said, I think GGG is top 10 MW, you think he is not. These long posts are not necessary

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Jermain Taylor in no way ranks as better than Golovkin. Canelo doesn't either seeing as how he deserved to lose both bouts with GGG.

McClellan you mentioned in another post had too short of a run at Middleweight to be better, he had the potential to be possibly, but that potential was tragically cut short as we all know. Pavlik and Paul Williams? Nah. Williams never even won a Middleweight title for f*cks sake. Pavlik made 1 successful title defense, and then lost his belt. It's ridiculous to rank any of the guys I've mentioned ahead of Golovkin by any standard.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:29

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:24

Sorry, but you may want to put the floatty arms on and get back in the low end of the community pool with these kinds of comments. What the novice boxing mind doesn't understand is that it's easy and simple minded to categorize a whole weight class as weak when what you never considered is the fact that GGG's excellence as a boxer is the major reason why there's no competition at the weight. He's so much better than everyone else but the weak minded people call it a weak weight class instead of pointing out that the only reason that the weight class is weak is because this kid is so damn good that he knocks out everyone he has had to except for a couple.

You point out Sergio, Hagler, Monzone and Minter. The ONLY one that you could have any kind of argument with is Hagler and what happened there? A 147 pound fighter moved up in weight after retiring for almost 3 years and beat him. The ONLY signature fights Hagler ever had were against career welterweights. Please don't pull a John "the Beast" Mugabi on me right now. Is that the top of the heap of Hagler defenses?

The view on Hagler is mostly nostalgic and i do it too because i loved him as well but he was a VERY limited fighter. GGG vs. Hagler wouldn't have been close. GGG's jab is the difference. There's never been a MW with a jab like his. All Hagler had was a jaw and i'd take GGG's jaw over anyones.

Usyk has cleaned out the CW division, but it's a strong division with several very strong fighters. So in that case, a dominant fighter at the top certainly doesn't make the division appear weak, it makes Usyk appear as great as he is.

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 12:02

caldo2025 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:07

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018, 18:29
Usyk has cleaned out the CW division, but it's a strong division with several very strong fighters. So in that case, a dominant fighter at the top certainly doesn't make the division appear weak, it makes Usyk appear as great as he is.

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 13:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 12:02

caldo2025 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:07

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:37

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Jermain Taylor in no way ranks as better than Golovkin. Canelo doesn't either seeing as how he deserved to lose both bouts with GGG.

McClellan you mentioned in another post had too short of a run at Middleweight to be better, he had the potential to be possibly, but that potential was tragically cut short as we all know. Pavlik and Paul Williams? Nah. Williams never even won a Middleweight title for f*cks sake. Pavlik made 1 successful title defense, and then lost his belt. It's ridiculous to rank any of the guys I've mentioned ahead of Golovkin by any standard.

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 13:40

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:37

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Jermain Taylor in no way ranks as better than Golovkin. Canelo doesn't either seeing as how he deserved to lose both bouts with GGG.

McClellan you mentioned in another post had too short of a run at Middleweight to be better, he had the potential to be possibly, but that potential was tragically cut short as we all know. Pavlik and Paul Williams? Nah. Williams never even won a Middleweight title for f*cks sake. Pavlik made 1 successful title defense, and then lost his belt. It's ridiculous to rank any of the guys I've mentioned ahead of Golovkin by any standard.

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

Alright, people: I "officially" give up on this topic. Goodnight, godbless.

P. S.: also add Henry Armstrong to my above-named list...

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:45 IMO he is in top 10 middleweights of all time.

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

You should probably stop if you think prime calzaghe or Jones were at middleweight.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:01

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:16

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

You should probably stop if you think prime calzaghe or Jones were at middleweight.

Look, neither of them was half-bad at middleweight: you might not follow history that much slavishly, and try to contextualise: both Calzaghe and RJJ had the features to make both great middleweights, and supermiddleweights.

GGG has never met (and beat) anyone quite like Mr. Hopkins, in his fair career. That's elementary enough, even basic.

Alright, Calzaghe was not exactly what we call a middleweight, and he might have struggled a little more to be one, but if he had eaten like a monk, instead of stuffing himself with his father's casu marzu and ceadas arguably, he would've made one hell of a middleweight, tall and powerful like no one.

History's not made by ifs and buts, and if my grampa had three balls, he would've been a pinball; but...

...If Canelo could move up from his natural superwelterweight environment, to middleweight, just to face Golovkin, GGG might have grown a pair of balls down there, and moved up to face Calzaghe, which, being nevertheless a better p4p fighter than the Soviet-born, would have beaten the poop out of GGG any day: let's put it this way, if you like more.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 13:40

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:37

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:52

Sorry, I made the wrong answer, thought it was the Joshua thread... My bad. here's the correct answer:

In no particular order:
Hagler
Monzon
Benvenuti
Griffith
Fullmer
Jermain Taylor
Nunn
Canelo
Dick Tiger
Bernard Hopkins

Above named are only ten middleweights, all better, faster or stronger than GGG. Just to show you that he's not even in your wildest dreams a possible all-time top-10 middleweights list-inductee.

And I could even go on, dude: Pavlik, Paul Williams, Toney, Joey Giardello, prime Roy Jones Jr.... Don't get me started on this, ok?

Jermain Taylor in no way ranks as better than Golovkin. Canelo doesn't either seeing as how he deserved to lose both bouts with GGG.

McClellan you mentioned in another post had too short of a run at Middleweight to be better, he had the potential to be possibly, but that potential was tragically cut short as we all know. Pavlik and Paul Williams? Nah. Williams never even won a Middleweight title for f*cks sake. Pavlik made 1 successful title defense, and then lost his belt. It's ridiculous to rank any of the guys I've mentioned ahead of Golovkin by any standard.

I can agree with Hagler and possibly Monzon. Bernard's MW record is very comparable with Golovkin's, and I am sure prime Golovkin would handle Hopkins in the ring. Comparing the others from that list with Golovkin is laughable.

I'd favor Hopkins to beat him personally. I'd root for Golovkin if the bout could ever be possible, but I'd favor Hopkins.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:18

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:01

Jacopodb wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 11:16

...Harry Greb, La Motta, prime Calzaghe, McClellan, and most probably also Randy Turpin... Figure out Young Corbett III... Alright??

You should probably stop if you think prime calzaghe or Jones were at middleweight.

Look, neither of them was half-bad at middleweight: you might not follow history that much slavishly, and try to contextualise: both Calzaghe and RJJ had the features to make both great middleweights, and supermiddleweights.

GGG has never met (and beat) anyone quite like Mr. Hopkins, in his fair career. That's elementary enough, even basic.

Calzaghe might have struggled a little more, but if he had eaten like a monk, instead of stuffing himself with his father's casu marzu and ceadas arguably, he would've made one hell of a middleweight, tall and powerful like no one.

History's not made by ifs and buts, and if my grampa had three balls, he would've been a pinball; but...

...If Canelo could move up from his natural superwelterweight environment, to middleweight, just to face Golovkin, GGG might have grown a pair of balls down there, and moved up to face Calzaghe, which, being nevertheless a better p4p fighter than the Soviet-born, would have beaten the poop out of GGG any day: let's put it this way, if you like more.

I don't see GGG's resume all the impressive compared to Calzaghe and Hopkins. Hopkins was a big Middleweight and I believe would've won over GGG handily. Canelo is still too soon to rate here, but we'll find out over the next year or two where he settles in.

Calzaghe doesn't have a middleweight resume. At least Jones has a couple good wins there.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 14:31 Calzaghe doesn't have a middleweight resume. At least Jones has a couple good wins there.

True, he was SMM my bad, but his last three fights are better than any wins of GGG. Hopkins and Jones were former MW's. And Kessler started out at MW. Not the best argument, but it's all I got! LOL!

It wasn't your mistake! It was the long-winded bloke.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 13:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 12:02

caldo2025 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 10:07

Another Usyk nutthugger. You idiots have officially killed this site. I thought that once Povetkin got knocked into next month that you’d all be gone. Nope. No such luck.

How many future HOF’era has Usyk faced? Oh zero? What about GGG? Exactly. This is why Usyk makes $400 a fight. Cruiserweight Division was made for those pussies who didn’t have the balls to fight Heavyweight though they are heavy enough to do so. Go screw

Your insults don't enhance your empty points.

You are calling boxing fans nuthuggers and idiots. Then you are calling professional fighters a pussies. IMO these insults killing forum more than people cheering for their favorite fighters

The Russian contingent on this site have officially killed any interest in worthy conversations. You all think that Povetkin is still the greatest boxer in the world and Usyk is the greatest to ever lace them up even though the F’ng guy has ONLY had 16 fights as a pro.

DO YOU ALL EVEN NOTICE HOW RIDICULOUS AND PATHETIC THAT IS? It’s disrespectful to every boxer that humped it out for full careers and years of battles. This is why you idiots just need to go. Go the F back to wherever you were and talk idiotic with each other.

Newsflash!! I don’t care who you beat. A boxer with only 16 fights doesn’t qualify for a best ever conversation so go fist each other and let us have our site back because believe it or not, we used to have some great communication before u dikheads ended up finally getting cable in ur village.