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Let me ask you Dag. Were you ever this outraged at all the times Golota fouled?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 04:32 Let me ask you Dag. Were you ever this outraged at all the times Golota fouled?

of course, millions of Polish men until today discuss on how stupid Gołota was. Gołota could win but he didn't because of those fouls, for the same reason i don't count the result of this fight as legit. I don't blame Briedis for doing that, i blame him for being so proud of this, this type of win is not what the real warrior should be proud of, especially a policeman who says that wants to be an example for Latvian kids.

I blame the referee. He should give Głowacki 5 minutes to recover, he didn't, i think that if Głowacki was given time to recover he wouldn't be knocked out in the 3 round. He was hurt and he did what he always do when he's hurt - he just go forward throwing punches being careless about defence. He did that vs Huck, he did that vs Rachenko, he wouldn't do that if he could recover. This fight should be a NC because of the referee's huge mistake.

Gołota is a legend for Polish fans because he was a talented fighter, the first Polish fighter who fought the legends of boxing in the HW division, in times when pro boxing was something new to us (first ever live broadcasted pro fight in Poland was in 1994, if i remember well it was Michalczewski vs Giovannini), more Polish men were waking up for Gołota fights than to their crying kids. But he was a dirty fighter, and nodoby blames for his shameful loses anyone but him.

It’s almost criminal that this kid ends up with a loss after an atomic elbow smash in which he was hurried by the ref to recover from and continue fighting, never mind the punches 10 seconds after he bell sounded. Sad.

Btw, these Byrd’s have f’d up enough bouts I think now. I think it’s safe to stop employing them.

boxing is, sadly, a sport without a strict rules.

had someone like Fielding done that on Canelo, he would have been DQ'd, suspended for 12 months and financially fined.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:09 It’s almost criminal that this kid ends up with a loss after an atomic elbow smash in which he was hurried by the ref to recover from and continue fighting, never mind the punches 10 seconds after he bell sounded. Sad.

Btw, these Byrd’s have f’d up enough bouts I think now. I think it’s safe to stop employing them.

The fighting after the bell was definitely a major f*ck up. I'm not sure why he wasn't given 5 minutes after the elbow other than just incompetence. Lots of referees will rush a guy even when they inform them that they have 5 minutes, they'll be asking 'em every 10 or 20 seconds "You ready?"

I've almost never seen someone take the full 5 minutes, and when I did, they just didn't continue at all.

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:17 boxing is, sadly, a sport without a strict rules.

had someone like Fielding done that on Canelo, he would have been DQ'd, suspended for 12 months and financially fined.

Canelo wouldn't have hit him full force in the back of the head first.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:20

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:17 boxing is, sadly, a sport without a strict rules.

had someone like Fielding done that on Canelo, he would have been DQ'd, suspended for 12 months and financially fined.

Canelo wouldn't have hit him full force in the back of the head first.

it wasn't ''full force'', it wasn't even back of the head at all, it was more on the neck, it was a foul though. but it's comparing a foul that happens multiple times per fight vs a foul that i have seen for the first time in my life. but as i said i blame the referee in the first place.

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:23

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:20

Canelo wouldn't have hit him full force in the back of the head first.

it wasn't ''full force'', it wasn't even back of the head at all, it was more on the neck, it was a foul though. but it's comparing a foul that happens multiple times per fight vs a foul that i have seen for the first time in my life. but as i said i blame the referee in the first place.

It was full force, and he deserved the elbow in retaliation.

..I still think using an elbow is unacceptable even as a retaliation, he might as well take off his gloves and then hit him or just kick him in the groin...

greg wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:37 ..I still think using an elbow is unacceptable even as a retaliation, he might as well take off his gloves and then hit him or just kick him in the groin...

I disagree. He did it. He got a point deducted, and he went on to win the fight. I'd say he did the right thing.

The rule was enforced that you can't elbow a guy. He had a point deducted for it, and I'm sure would've been DQ'ed if it had happened again. If your opponent wants to make it dirty, defend yourself because the referee ain't doing it for you.

If somebody came at you with intent to kill, would you defend yourself or would you stand there waiting for the Cops to show up and handle it because that's what you're supposed to do, even though they're nowhere to be found?

Drastic example, but the same principle applies. Sometimes you gotta take sh*t into your own hands because the world don't give you no alternative.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:39

greg wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:37 ..I still think using an elbow is unacceptable even as a retaliation, he might as well take off his gloves and then hit him or just kick him in the groin...

I disagree. He did it. He got a point deducted, and he went on to win the fight. I'd say he did the right thing.

The rule was enforced that you can't elbow a guy. He had a point deducted for it, and I'm sure would've been DQ'ed if it had happened again. If your opponent wants to make it dirty, defend yourself because the referee ain't doing it for you.

If somebody came at you with intent to kill, would you defend yourself or would you stand there waiting for the Cops to show up and handle it because that's what you're supposed to do, even though they're nowhere to be found?

Drastic example, but the same principle applies. Sometimes you gotta take sh*t into your own hands because the world don't give you no alternative.

I respectfully disagree...boxing is a sport with the rules that must be enforced...I don't want to see any scuffles or street fights inside the ring...once you start allowing boxers to immediately retaliate using elbows, legs and what-not, the boxing match might get out of control and that's not what I personally want to see in the ring..."tough guy" knew all too well he'll get away with it and he was right...but I guess I'm just getting old..

I don't think he would've thrown the Elbow if he hadn't been hit in the back of the head. Whether you think it's right or not you're not in there blocking the back of the guys head for him. He has to defend HIMSELF. He did.

The rules were enforced. He had a point deducted.

It was a reflexive reaction of a true fighter.

greg wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:39

I disagree. He did it. He got a point deducted, and he went on to win the fight. I'd say he did the right thing.

The rule was enforced that you can't elbow a guy. He had a point deducted for it, and I'm sure would've been DQ'ed if it had happened again. If your opponent wants to make it dirty, defend yourself because the referee ain't doing it for you.

If somebody came at you with intent to kill, would you defend yourself or would you stand there waiting for the Cops to show up and handle it because that's what you're supposed to do, even though they're nowhere to be found?

Drastic example, but the same principle applies. Sometimes you gotta take sh*t into your own hands because the world don't give you no alternative.

I respectfully disagree...boxing is a sport with the rules that must be enforced...I don't want to see any scuffles or street fights inside the ring...once you start allowing boxers to immediately retaliate using elbows, legs and what-not, the boxing match might get out of control and that's not what I personally want to see in the ring..."tough guy" knew all too well he'll get away with it and he was right...but I guess I'm just getting old..

you are right, the rules must be strictly enforced, if not it would be a risk for fighters health.

the rules weren´t enforced - Głowacki wasn't given time to recover

when Głowacki fouled Briedis, Mairis was fouling him as well, he was holding his hand.

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:17had someone like Fielding done that on Canelo, he would have been DQ'd, suspended for 12 months and financially fined.

Agreed, but in most territories Briedis “would have been DQ'd, suspended for 12 months and financially fined.”

...once I accept this kind of retaliation as legit, I guess I should approve of Tyson's ear-biting as a retaliation for Holyfield 's headbutts..

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:39

greg wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:37 ..I still think using an elbow is unacceptable even as a retaliation, he might as well take off his gloves and then hit him or just kick him in the groin...

I disagree. He did it. He got a point deducted, and he went on to win the fight. I'd say he did the right thing.

The rule was enforced that you can't elbow a guy. He had a point deducted for it, and I'm sure would've been DQ'ed if it had happened again. If your opponent wants to make it dirty, defend yourself because the referee ain't doing it for you.

If somebody came at you with intent to kill, would you defend yourself or would you stand there waiting for the Cops to show up and handle it because that's what you're supposed to do, even though they're nowhere to be found?

Drastic example, but the same principle applies. Sometimes you gotta take sh*t into your own hands because the world don't give you no alternative.

We have a new boxing rule. You are allowed one elbow punch per fight at the cost of one point. Better make yours count.

You can also kick once to the balls but that's gonna cost you two points. Better make it count.

One wrestling throw will also only cost one point. Maybe none if it increases the number of PPV buys.

Sounds fornicating ridiculous

Elbow strikes are forbidden in boxing and done by the way Briedis did it clearly no accidental. When it results in hard knock down it should be automatic DQ.

What is your ques what would have happened if Mcgregor pulled that stunt on Mayweather?

There is very real possibility that the foul decided the whole match. It is definitely something that I don't want to see ever again in boxing ring.

Fouls *clearly* decided the bout. That and all-around godawful officiation. It was barely even a boxing match.

Rabbit punches are forbidden the same way as elbows and are more dangerous for fighters' health. If you are talking about DQ, then Glowaki should be DQed.

To me maybe the most egregious part of this particular fight was that Byrd let a significant blow land like twenty minutes after the bell rang. But I agree that more common fouls should also be better policed. But how much, exactly, can a guy acceptably up the ante? I thought the Tyson-Holyfield comparison was apt. I don't remember a lot of outcry like "Tyson is right -- Evander does use his head! Those bites were just retaliation! What do you want him to do, wait for the cops to come" etc. etc. (something someone actually said above, hilariously).

If Glowacki had simply taken a knee the ref may have given him a bit more time to recover, the fact he was rolling around like Neymar trying to get Briedis disqualified worked against him I think.

Both men fouled, Briedis was just better at it. Glowacki always has a chance against Briedis in a conventional boxing match, but in a fight there is only one winner.

If there is a rematch Briedis will find it easy to drag him into a fight, now that there is plenty of bad blood between the pair.

I think that Briedis specifically did that vid to troll this thread.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 10:18 I think that Briedis specifically did that vid to troll this thread.

The real victim here is dachwolacki. He hasn't made a post on any topic without tears since it happened.

keirw wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 10:17 If Glowacki had simply taken a knee the ref may have given him a bit more time to recover, the fact he was rolling around like Neymar trying to get Briedis disqualified worked against him I think.

Both men fouled, Briedis was just better at it. Glowacki always has a chance against Briedis in a conventional boxing match, but in a fight there is only one winner.

If there is a rematch Briedis will find it easy to drag him into a fight, now that there is plenty of bad blood between the pair.

Maybe in the rematch they can allow eye gouging and ball kicking.