Unpopular opinions

[orbtastic]

Maybe. Maybe not. He was certainly a solid call for the best ama talent around, maybe one of the best of all time.

Breland was reportedly 110-1 with over 75% KO percentage with a lot of those in the first round which is practically unheard of in the unpaid ranks.

[margaret thatcher]

nope, never said that at all

[margaret thatcher]

Maybe. Maybe not. He was certainly a solid call for the best ama talent around, maybe one of the best of all time.

Breland was reportedly 110-1 with over 75% KO percentage with a lot of those in the first round which is practically unheard of in the unpaid ranks.

it's a definite not with regards to the 400-,4 , at least 9 losses just on a partially collected list of his am fights, and over 400 am fights by 19 seems far fetched, not even career amateurs from kids till theirs 30s can usually do that many. no doubt he was an excellent am though

[ironbeard]

He beat the number #1 in the division, then did very little else. Plenty of guys in lower weight classes have done that and they aren't in the international boxing hall of fame

an atg, top 10 hw is who he beat, and did so twice. really a fanstastic set of wins. he did beat some b level guys too. there are guys who've done a lot who aren't in , and guys who've not done so much who are in, just how it works out. either way,

So everyone how beats an ATG should be in the hall of fame?

Esteban De Jesus should be in there if that's the case.

I loved to watch Esteban De Jesus box. He gave Duran all that he could handle.

The story about Duran visiting De Jesus on his deathbed is moving, and it sheds an entirely different light on the Panamanian ATG.

[Delta Jay]

an atg, top 10 hw is who he beat, and did so twice. really a fanstastic set of wins. he did beat some b level guys too. there are guys who've done a lot who aren't in , and guys who've not done so much who are in, just how it works out. either way,

So everyone how beats an ATG should be in the hall of fame?

Esteban De Jesus should be in there if that's the case.

I loved to watch Esteban De Jesus box. He gave Duran all that he could handle.

The story about Duran visiting De Jesus on his deathbed is moving, and it sheds an entirely different light on the Panamanian ATG.

What do you mean when you say different light? He was a terror in the ring but I very often hear stories or read things about how nice he was outside of it. Stories about giving people he’d never met his jacket and things like that.

[ironbeard]

So everyone how beats an ATG should be in the hall of fame?

Esteban De Jesus should be in there if that's the case.

I loved to watch Esteban De Jesus box. He gave Duran all that he could handle.

The story about Duran visiting De Jesus on his deathbed is moving, and it sheds an entirely different light on the Panamanian ATG.

What do you mean when you say different light? He was a terror in the ring but I very often hear stories or read things about how nice he was outside of it. Stories about giving people he’d never met his jacket and things like that.

Simple, until I heard that story I had no idea of who Duran was outside the ring. I loved his fights, but I did not like Duran himself in the 70’s and 80’s.

The De Jesus deathbed story changed that.

[Delta Jay]

I loved to watch Esteban De Jesus box. He gave Duran all that he could handle.

The story about Duran visiting De Jesus on his deathbed is moving, and it sheds an entirely different light on the Panamanian ATG.

What do you mean when you say different light? He was a terror in the ring but I very often hear stories or read things about how nice he was outside of it. Stories about giving people he’d never met his jacket and things like that.

Simple, until I heard that story I had no idea of who Duran was outside the ring. I loved his fights, but I did not like Duran himself in the 70’s and 80’s.

The De Jesus deathbed story changed that.

In a book called Four Kings by George Kimball (sure everyone on this board has read it) the Duran bits are my favourites. He’s definitely the most three dimensional of the fighters covered.

Did he just seem like a nasty guy back then?

[ironbeard]

What do you mean when you say different light? He was a terror in the ring but I very often hear stories or read things about how nice he was outside of it. Stories about giving people he’d never met his jacket and things like that.

Simple, until I heard that story I had no idea of who Duran was outside the ring. I loved his fights, but I did not like Duran himself in the 70’s and 80’s.

The De Jesus deathbed story changed that.

In a book called Four Kings by George Kimball (sure everyone on this board has read it) the Duran bits are my favourites. He’s definitely the most three dimensional of the fighters covered.

Did he just seem like a nasty guy back then?

He came across as a nasty, arrogant bully. But, my view of him was quite limited; superficial.

[JamesPhilips]

Mike Tyson would've beaten Ali because of his left hook

[Dioufy]

Canelo/Mayweather was a draw.
Valuev beat Haye.

[JamesPhilips]

Canelo/Mayweather was a draw.
Valuev beat Haye.

agree with Valuev.

[Lairdy]

Amy of Mike Tyson's top ten opponents, pre-prison, would be would world champions in this era.

[mickey1975]

Mike Tyson wouldn't be world champion today and Cus dying and signing for Don King made NO difference. He was always heading to jail.

[JamesPhilips]

Joshua is the Lance Armstrong of boxing and prefers men.

[margaret thatcher]

that would be painful for someone wouldnt it

[Cyclops]

Canelo/Mayweather was a draw.
Valuev beat Haye.

agree with Valuev.

This is a hipster opinion. Haye outboxed Valuev, it's just that an ancient Holyfield beat Valuev just before with more style and didn't get the decision, just showing the level of Valuev and Haye. So it's the 'hardcore' thing to say that Valuev actually won.

But he didn't. Haye nicked the decision quite clearly. But Holyfield did him with more style and was robbed. I'd love a breakdown on how the big fella beat Haye, because he didn't. What did he win on, ring generalship because Haye was on the back foot throughout? Valuev clearly lost and knew it. The debate is there, but it's pretty weak.

Jim Watt's commentary has a big part to play in the "Valuev won" argument.

[mickey1975]

How do you nick a decision quite clearly?

[Grilling Machine]

When it's 90% stalemate.

The feeling seems to be that Haye didn't win it emphatically enough to overcome the sense of the big man just lurching about unperturbed. 12th aside.

[Cyclops]

How do you nick a decision quite clearly?

It's a fair criticism. Let me re-phrase it. He stole the decision. Valuev just lurched after him found after round, while Haye jumped about. Valuev probably outlanded him in a couple of rounds, but neither did very much. So Haye 'nicked' most of the rounds.

I don't see the argument for giving it to Valuev? Just because he was the one trying to make a fight out of it? He still got out-landed, and I can only recall him landing jabs.

[Coco]

I remember scoring it and had it 5-5 going into the 11th, for me Haye did a bit more in the final 2 rounds winning it 7-5.

On the one hand it was a close fight because neither did much but for example Haye clearly won the last 2 because he did something rather than nothing.

So he didn't win the rounds by much but he still clearly won them.

[JamesPhilips]

Canelo/Mayweather was a draw.
Valuev beat Haye.

agree with Valuev.

This is a hipster opinion. Haye outboxed Valuev, it's just that an ancient Holyfield beat Valuev just before with more style and didn't get the decision, just showing the level of Valuev and Haye. So it's the 'hardcore' thing to say that Valuev actually won.

But he didn't. Haye nicked the decision quite clearly. But Holyfield did him with more style and was robbed. I'd love a breakdown on how the big fella beat Haye, because he didn't. What did he win on, ring generalship because Haye was on the back foot throughout? Valuev clearly lost and knew it. The debate is there, but it's pretty weak.

Jim Watt's commentary has a big part to play in the "Valuev won" argument.

I watched it live and at the end said Valuve landed 11 punches and Haye 9, though Haye landed the better shot. It was an awful fight. I remember thinking Valuev won closely. But its not a fight I chose to think about. It was awful.

[dookus]

Dunno if it's particularly unpopular, but Sky boxing was way better under Camp Eddie than during Wazza's WBU-ridden years of shīt

[JamesPhilips]

Dunno if it's particularly unpopular, but Sky boxing was way better under Camp Eddie than during Wazza's WBU-ridden years of shīt

Fight wise Good point. But Eddie brought in PPV era.

[mickey1975]

Dunno if it's particularly unpopular, but Sky boxing was way better under Camp Eddie than during Wazza's WBU-ridden years of shīt

Fight wise Good point. But Eddie brought in PPV era.

Frank did, 1996. Good PPV. Double headers. Eddie brought in PPV part 2, mainly utter shite.

[maverick23]

Dunno if it's particularly unpopular, but Sky boxing was way better under Camp Eddie than during Wazza's WBU-ridden years of shīt

Fight wise Good point. But Eddie brought in PPV era.

He brought in one or two more a year than there were before I think. In 2009/10/11 there were 4/4/3 Sky boxing PPVs respectively and, bar the last Sky PPV which was clearly a cash grab, I’d say the overall PPV has been better in the last 10 years than the previous 10.

Khan/Prescott headlined a PPV with a poor undercard. Khan/Kotelnik on PPV too and then the bigger heavyweight fights (Haye vs Harrison, Valuev, Ruiz) pretty much all had nothing much on the undercards.