So, Fury tweeted about this 'game changing' fight back in February...then quickly deleted it. (4min mark)
No wonder he sabotaged the Usyk negotiations after that, he already had Ngannou signed up.
Hopefully there's no more fking around and he does finally face Usyk in December.
Fury hadn’t agreed the Ngannou fight in February. Spencer Brown met the Saudis who are funding the fight late February and it took some meetings after that to get sorted.
Fury buggered the Skills Challenge negotiations by asking for too much money but Spencer Brown massively came up trumps for him getting the link up with the Saudi guys who actually control the purse strings.
Warren/Arum had very little to do with it but properly lucked out.
'Signed up' is the wrong term then. However, if this fight was being negotiated back then, it makes sense for him to avoid the risk of losing his titles (it would no longer be lineal boxer v lineal ufc) and unbeaten record to Usyk. The value of the Ngannou fight would have dropped by quite a lot, and he's admitted, it's all about the money now.
The Ngannou fight wasn’t being negotiated in February.
Fury hadn’t agreed the Ngannou fight in February. Spencer Brown met the Saudis who are funding the fight late February and it took some meetings after that to get sorted.
Fury buggered the Skills Challenge negotiations by asking for too much money but Spencer Brown massively came up trumps for him getting the link up with the Saudi guys who actually control the purse strings.
Warren/Arum had very little to do with it but properly lucked out.
'Signed up' is the wrong term then. However, if this fight was being negotiated back then, it makes sense for him to avoid the risk of losing his titles (it would no longer be lineal boxer v lineal ufc) and unbeaten record to Usyk. The value of the Ngannou fight would have dropped by quite a lot, and he's admitted, it's all about the money now.
The Ngannou fight wasn’t being negotiated in February.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 08:10
by The Gratest
Lol. The Minecraft kid's still triggered I see. Way too easy.
The Gratest wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 06:56
'Signed up' is the wrong term then. However, if this fight was being negotiated back then, it makes sense for him to avoid the risk of losing his titles (it would no longer be lineal boxer v lineal ufc) and unbeaten record to Usyk. The value of the Ngannou fight would have dropped by quite a lot, and he's admitted, it's all about the money now.
The Ngannou fight wasn’t being negotiated in February.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
The Ngannou fight wasn’t being negotiated in February.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
The upcoming fight with Ngannou in SA has been referred to as 'game changing' from as soon as it was announced. I very much doubt that's a coincidence.
The Ngannou fight was mentioned in April of last year, he was in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight and they were already both talking about a hybrid fight, so clearly something had been discussed.
The Ngannou fight wasn’t being negotiated in February.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
Ngannou's name was mentioned long before the spring.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
Ngannou's name was mentioned long before the spring.
I’m talking about the negotiations between Team Fury and the Saudis funding it.
Ffs Mav...OK, meetings?
Fury tweeting then deleting about the 'Game changer' back in February indicates there was something being discussed in the background before/whilst the 'Gap toothed, middleweight, rabbit, 70/30 split' videos were being released.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
The upcoming fight with Ngannou in SA has been referred to as 'game changing' from as soon as it was announced. I very much doubt that's a coincidence.
The Ngannou fight was mentioned in April of last year, he was in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight and they were already both talking about a hybrid fight, so clearly something had been discussed.
It was only discussed with the Saudis who are funding it for the first time after Fury had sent and deleted that tweet.
Fury has talked a lot of rubbish and the game changer tweet could have been anything.
Ngannou’s name wasn’t even mentioned until some point in the Spring.
The upcoming fight with Ngannou in SA has been referred to as 'game changing' from as soon as it was announced. I very much doubt that's a coincidence.
The Ngannou fight was mentioned in April of last year, he was in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight and they were already both talking about a hybrid fight, so clearly something had been discussed.
It was only discussed with the Saudis who are funding it for the first time after Fury had sent and deleted that tweet.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 14:47
You guys will all of you be watching one way or another, because there is not much else on that night to satisfy your craving.
Any guesses if this is one of Doofy, Dev or Mick's alternative accounts??
This is my own account. As I said before, I came to this website for years before I ever posted in the forum. Poring over the records of all the great active and inactive fighters, I really care if you all are too big of snobs to watch the fight. It's the warmup for the fight that we have wanted, what's wrong with that? Don't answer because I don't care.
When you say you been coming to this website for years - was that a typo?
And you really meant months??
Because it was only around a year ago Fury said the Chisora fight was the warmup for the fight we all have wanted.
Also - do you really care or not? Bit confused because you stated you both did & didn't xx
The Gratest wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 08:21
The upcoming fight with Ngannou in SA has been referred to as 'game changing' from as soon as it was announced. I very much doubt that's a coincidence.
The Ngannou fight was mentioned in April of last year, he was in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight and they were already both talking about a hybrid fight, so clearly something had been discussed.
It was only discussed with the Saudis who are funding it for the first time after Fury had sent and deleted that tweet.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
It was only discussed with the Saudis who are funding it for the first time after Fury had sent and deleted that tweet.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
It was only discussed with the Saudis who are funding it for the first time after Fury had sent and deleted that tweet.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
Do you not find it more than a coincidence though that the 'game changing' deleted tweet happened at the same time as when Fury was in Saudi, and the Ngannou fight is the 'game changer' that has since been announced?
If he priced himself out of the Usyk fight in Saudi, and then also for Wembley, what was the 'game changer' tweet about? Chisora 4?
The proposed Ngannou fight probably was put forth to the Saudi's back in February, some verbal agreement done, Fury can't contain himself, puts out that tweet, gets advised 'You can't say that, we've got Usyk lined up for the end of April'...oh shit...delete....now he needs to sabotage the Usyk April date. The fact that he never set up training camp, never had a trainer in place, never looked at all like being prepared for April 29th suggests that there always was some other plan in the background.
The Saudi money team changed but that high reward little risk fight had already been dangled in front of him.
A fair bit of conjecture on my part, sure, but as pointed out quite a few times, the more noise Fury makes about an opponent, the less chance a fight gets made. You need conjecture with his antics.
Which, according to that video, was in February, which is prior/during the supposed Usyk negotiations.
'Sign the contract big boy, sign the contract!' Fury's parting words. Obviously there wasn't an actual contract then, but they clearly had been in talks last year about fighting. If the opportunity presented itself at the same time as the proposed April 29th Wembley date vs Usyk, then fair play to Fury, it looks like he's achieved the Ngannou cash grab, and now possibly the Usyk millions at a later date. He played it well.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
Do you not find it more than a coincidence though that the 'game changing' deleted tweet happened at the same time as when Fury was in Saudi, and the Ngannou fight is the 'game changer' that has since been announced?
If he priced himself out of the Usyk fight in Saudi, and then also for Wembley, what was the 'game changer' tweet about? Chisora 4?
The proposed Ngannou fight probably was put forth to the Saudi's back in February, some verbal agreement done, Fury can't contain himself, puts out that tweet, gets advised 'You can't say that, we've got Usyk lined up for the end of April'...oh shit...delete....now he needs to sabotage the Usyk April date. The fact that he never set up training camp, never had a trainer in place, never looked at all like being prepared for April 29th suggests that there always was some other plan in the background.
The Saudi money team changed but that high reward little risk fight had already been dangled in front of him.
A fair bit of conjecture on my part, sure, but as pointed out quite a few times, the more noise Fury makes about an opponent, the less chance a fight gets made. You need conjecture with his antics.
I’ve been told the sequence of events by someone who’s worked closely with Team Fury in the past and I’ve no reason at all to doubt it. He’s spoken to Spencer and said that’s how it played out so I don’t believe it to be conjecture.
I remember Fury saying he had a massive announcement a couple of years back and it turned out to be a random sponsorship thing with some small travel company or something similar.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
Fury’s team may have had conversations with Ngannou last year. They weren’t close to making the fight and those conversations didn’t involve the people who are now funding the fight.
Team Fury tried to make the Usyk fight in Saudi but Fury wanted too much money for it so Skills Challenge withdrew their offer. They then tried to make the fight in the U.K. but we know what happened there as Fury was too greedy.
Spencer met the Saudis who are funding the Ngannou fight at the Tommy Fury/Jake Paul fight at they apparently got on great.
Spencer and the Saudis then met in the U.K. a couple of months later to discuss ideas and that’s when this all started happening.
Do you not find it more than a coincidence though that the 'game changing' deleted tweet happened at the same time as when Fury was in Saudi, and the Ngannou fight is the 'game changer' that has since been announced?
If he priced himself out of the Usyk fight in Saudi, and then also for Wembley, what was the 'game changer' tweet about? Chisora 4?
The proposed Ngannou fight probably was put forth to the Saudi's back in February, some verbal agreement done, Fury can't contain himself, puts out that tweet, gets advised 'You can't say that, we've got Usyk lined up for the end of April'...oh shit...delete....now he needs to sabotage the Usyk April date. The fact that he never set up training camp, never had a trainer in place, never looked at all like being prepared for April 29th suggests that there always was some other plan in the background.
The Saudi money team changed but that high reward little risk fight had already been dangled in front of him.
A fair bit of conjecture on my part, sure, but as pointed out quite a few times, the more noise Fury makes about an opponent, the less chance a fight gets made. You need conjecture with his antics.
I’ve been told the sequence of events by someone who’s worked closely with Team Fury in the past and I’ve no reason at all to doubt it. He’s spoken to Spencer and said that’s how it played out so I don’t believe it to be conjecture.
I remember Fury saying he had a massive announcement a couple of years back and it turned out to be a random sponsorship thing with some small travel company or something similar.
He can’t help himself and talks rubbish.
I'm not doubting your word Mav, but given the backlash Fury's had from the AJ then Usyk call outs/negotiations that then resulted Chisora 3 and novice Ngannou, I doubt that anyone associated with Team Fury would be admitting that his plans always were to take on Chisora and Ngannou.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou - What could one do?
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 09:21
by quickeyg
It's turned into bump central on here now
Your orders are final when it comes to me
I'm a one man band (no triple accounts unlike some people)
Perhaps don’t believe everything you hear. If probably the most well known active boxer in the world has ‘adverse findings’ and is out of the sport due to that then it would be more common knowledge than just hearsay.
Do you not find it more than a coincidence though that the 'game changing' deleted tweet happened at the same time as when Fury was in Saudi, and the Ngannou fight is the 'game changer' that has since been announced?
If he priced himself out of the Usyk fight in Saudi, and then also for Wembley, what was the 'game changer' tweet about? Chisora 4?
The proposed Ngannou fight probably was put forth to the Saudi's back in February, some verbal agreement done, Fury can't contain himself, puts out that tweet, gets advised 'You can't say that, we've got Usyk lined up for the end of April'...oh shit...delete....now he needs to sabotage the Usyk April date. The fact that he never set up training camp, never had a trainer in place, never looked at all like being prepared for April 29th suggests that there always was some other plan in the background.
The Saudi money team changed but that high reward little risk fight had already been dangled in front of him.
A fair bit of conjecture on my part, sure, but as pointed out quite a few times, the more noise Fury makes about an opponent, the less chance a fight gets made. You need conjecture with his antics.
I’ve been told the sequence of events by someone who’s worked closely with Team Fury in the past and I’ve no reason at all to doubt it. He’s spoken to Spencer and said that’s how it played out so I don’t believe it to be conjecture.
I remember Fury saying he had a massive announcement a couple of years back and it turned out to be a random sponsorship thing with some small travel company or something similar.
He can’t help himself and talks rubbish.
I'm not doubting your word Mav, but given the backlash Fury's had from the AJ then Usyk call outs/negotiations that then resulted Chisora 3 and novice Ngannou, I doubt that anyone associated with Team Fury would be admitting that his plans always were to take on Chisora and Ngannou.
That may have been what Fury wanted the whole time but his team were certainly trying to make the Usyk fight for Saudi and then Wembley only to have Tyson being too greedy.
I’ve been told the sequence of events by someone who’s worked closely with Team Fury in the past and I’ve no reason at all to doubt it. He’s spoken to Spencer and said that’s how it played out so I don’t believe it to be conjecture.
I remember Fury saying he had a massive announcement a couple of years back and it turned out to be a random sponsorship thing with some small travel company or something similar.
He can’t help himself and talks rubbish.
I'm not doubting your word Mav, but given the backlash Fury's had from the AJ then Usyk call outs/negotiations that then resulted Chisora 3 and novice Ngannou, I doubt that anyone associated with Team Fury would be admitting that his plans always were to take on Chisora and Ngannou.
That may have been what Fury wanted the whole time but his team were certainly trying to make the Usyk fight for Saudi and then Wembley only to have Tyson being too greedy.
I'll now have to work late to make up for all that typing.
Perhaps don’t believe everything you hear. If probably the most well known active boxer in the world has ‘adverse findings’ and is out of the sport due to that then it would be more common knowledge than just hearsay.
When was it common knowledge that he failed the Hammer test?
Perhaps don’t believe everything you hear. If probably the most well known active boxer in the world has ‘adverse findings’ and is out of the sport due to that then it would be more common knowledge than just hearsay.
When was it common knowledge that he failed the Hammer test?
Something like 15 months after it happened. I still don’t believe how he could fail a test for Hammer and then still fight Klitschko.
I don’t believe that these supposed silent bans that some people talk about on Twitter are a thing. What kind of test has supposedly failed and who’s suspended him?
