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Hey Frank.The Shootist with John Wayne is on TCM right now.
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Reading a book Roger....dagosd2000 wrote:Hey Frank.The Shootist with John Wayne is on TCM right now.
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Back to my book, see who gets kill next.... ![[icon_e_biggrin.gif] :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
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??????kikibalt wrote:Congrats to Rick Farris...you guess for what...
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That's not a guess. That's a question.Rick Farris wrote:??????kikibalt wrote:Congrats to Rick Farris...you guess for what...
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dagosd2000 wrote:That's not a guess. That's a question.Rick Farris wrote:??????kikibalt wrote:Congrats to Rick Farris...you guess for what...
Mel Epstein once asked me . . .
"Do you know how to keep an a-hole in suspense?"
I answered, "No, how do you do that?"
Mel just looked me in the eyes and said nothing.
So again I ask,"How do you keep an a-hole in suspense?"
Mel just stood silent with his hands on his hips, smiling.
The old bastid got me.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
This old bastid got you too....Rick Farris wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:That's not a guess. That's a question.Rick Farris wrote: ??????
Mel Epstein once asked me . . .
"Do you know how to keep an a-hole in suspense?"
I answered, "No, how do you do that?"
Mel just looked me in the eyes and said nothing.
So again I ask,"How do you keep an a-hole in suspense?"
Mel just stood silent with his hands on his hips, smiling.
The old bastid got me.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Six years ago Vitali Klitschko pounded Britain’s Danny Williams in eight rounds in Las Vegas in defence of his WBC heavyweight title. Unbelievably, the 36-year-old Williams is still plodding along, still the British heavyweight champion, while Klitschko still has ‘bad intentions’ for a British heavyweight, the quick, cocky, charismatic, heavy handed David Haye, who guarantees a ‘real’ challenge to the proud Klitschko.
To prove it, Klitschko now seeks to defend against the man Haye trounced in his very last fight: Russia’s Nikolai Valuev. Talk is Klitschko will face the giant Valuev - all seven foot of him – on May 29 in Germany. If the Ukrainian, no midget himself, can finish off the 23-stone Valuev inside 12 rounds, he has put one over ‘the enemy’. Haye could only outscore Valuev over 12 in Germany in November, although he did wobble Valuev in the final frame. Yes, bragging rights still count for something in the 21st century, particularly among the egotistical heavyweights, or the boring old dinosaurs, whichever way you look at the big boys.
The brash, egotistical Haye has clearly ‘got to’ the boring Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, since moving up to heavy just recently and winning the WBA title (from Valuev) within two fights. He walks the walk (and talks the talk) better than any of Klitschko’s rivals – in fact he is their only rival, now he holds the major WBA belt. Vitali holds the WBC belt; Wladimir, the IBF & WBO. Confusing, I know, but these are the only four world belts that mean anything in boxing and the Klitschkos and the 29-year-old Haye smell ‘unification’ in a division devoid of an obvious No. 1. Haye, who proved himself the best cruiserweight in the world, plans to do precisely the same at heavyweight and wants everyone to know it.
This has niggled Wladimir, which in turn niggles older brother Vitali, now a creaking 38, his 6ft 7½ins frame bending a little. Vitali still stands over four inches taller than Haye and weighs around 35 pounds heavier (at 250 pounds), but heavyweight boxing has never been about size - think of Valuev or, better still, the emerging Mike Tyson - it is about talent. The quick, smart, hurtful Haye possesses that talent. He virtually ‘played’ with Valuev three months ago, picking him off throughout, although a few more shots, here and there, would not have gone amiss. Nevertheless, his speed offset the lumbering Valuev, and the slow, muscle-bound Klitschkos also fall into the big lumbering variety.
I am being harsh. Vitali has a chin of iron, and Wladimir has improved immeasurably from the man who once regularly and spectacularly ran out of gas. Frankly, Haye’s own chin and stamina remain in question. He went down a few times at cruiserweight (three times, in fact) and ran out of gas at the weight against a 40-year-old Carl Thompson in 2004, after hammering the living daylights out of Thompson for a few rounds, which remains his only loss. Like Wladimir, the Londoner learned from the bitter losing experience, switching to above sea level for training, namely the Kyrenian mountains in northern Cyprus or “Benn’s Mountain” in Tenerife, and the result was soon obvious.
Haye opened up brilliantly in the ninth round to finish Italy’s rugged Giacobbe Fragomeni, blood pouring from a terrible gash over his left eye, climbed off the floor to overwhelm French star Jean-Marc Mormeck in seven thrilling rounds in Paris and floored heavyweight ‘gatekeeper’ Monte Barrett five times on the way to a superb five-round win in London in November 2008, never once threatening to blow up over the same distance he had blown up against Thompson. He went the full championship 12 with Valuev, of course, although, to make the point again, his workrate was low and one hopes he was simply wary of the huge size and weight of Valuev that night, 99 pounds heavier than our man. Haye also hurt his right hand in the early going.
As regards his power, Haye’s 23-1 (21) record speaks for itself, but perhaps his biggest-hitting achievement is that he does it ‘his way’, with trainer Adam Booth. He knew from an early age he had the punch to forsake the big British promoters and their long, dull, undermatched approach to building and moving prospects, so he essentially matched himself, bypassed the British cruiserweight title and needed 45 seconds to win the European title at the weight against Russian southpaw Alexander Gurov.
Barrett and Valuev soon followed.
Next, Haye will almost certainly break down veteran John Ruiz in the first defence of his WBA heavyweight title, a regrettable defence he is forced to make because Ruiz, a stinker of an opponent twice beaten by Valuev, is the mandatory. The Klitschkos won’t go anywhere near Ruiz, by the way.
Then he will hunt down those brothers, one by one.
To prove it, Klitschko now seeks to defend against the man Haye trounced in his very last fight: Russia’s Nikolai Valuev. Talk is Klitschko will face the giant Valuev - all seven foot of him – on May 29 in Germany. If the Ukrainian, no midget himself, can finish off the 23-stone Valuev inside 12 rounds, he has put one over ‘the enemy’. Haye could only outscore Valuev over 12 in Germany in November, although he did wobble Valuev in the final frame. Yes, bragging rights still count for something in the 21st century, particularly among the egotistical heavyweights, or the boring old dinosaurs, whichever way you look at the big boys.
The brash, egotistical Haye has clearly ‘got to’ the boring Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, since moving up to heavy just recently and winning the WBA title (from Valuev) within two fights. He walks the walk (and talks the talk) better than any of Klitschko’s rivals – in fact he is their only rival, now he holds the major WBA belt. Vitali holds the WBC belt; Wladimir, the IBF & WBO. Confusing, I know, but these are the only four world belts that mean anything in boxing and the Klitschkos and the 29-year-old Haye smell ‘unification’ in a division devoid of an obvious No. 1. Haye, who proved himself the best cruiserweight in the world, plans to do precisely the same at heavyweight and wants everyone to know it.
This has niggled Wladimir, which in turn niggles older brother Vitali, now a creaking 38, his 6ft 7½ins frame bending a little. Vitali still stands over four inches taller than Haye and weighs around 35 pounds heavier (at 250 pounds), but heavyweight boxing has never been about size - think of Valuev or, better still, the emerging Mike Tyson - it is about talent. The quick, smart, hurtful Haye possesses that talent. He virtually ‘played’ with Valuev three months ago, picking him off throughout, although a few more shots, here and there, would not have gone amiss. Nevertheless, his speed offset the lumbering Valuev, and the slow, muscle-bound Klitschkos also fall into the big lumbering variety.
I am being harsh. Vitali has a chin of iron, and Wladimir has improved immeasurably from the man who once regularly and spectacularly ran out of gas. Frankly, Haye’s own chin and stamina remain in question. He went down a few times at cruiserweight (three times, in fact) and ran out of gas at the weight against a 40-year-old Carl Thompson in 2004, after hammering the living daylights out of Thompson for a few rounds, which remains his only loss. Like Wladimir, the Londoner learned from the bitter losing experience, switching to above sea level for training, namely the Kyrenian mountains in northern Cyprus or “Benn’s Mountain” in Tenerife, and the result was soon obvious.
Haye opened up brilliantly in the ninth round to finish Italy’s rugged Giacobbe Fragomeni, blood pouring from a terrible gash over his left eye, climbed off the floor to overwhelm French star Jean-Marc Mormeck in seven thrilling rounds in Paris and floored heavyweight ‘gatekeeper’ Monte Barrett five times on the way to a superb five-round win in London in November 2008, never once threatening to blow up over the same distance he had blown up against Thompson. He went the full championship 12 with Valuev, of course, although, to make the point again, his workrate was low and one hopes he was simply wary of the huge size and weight of Valuev that night, 99 pounds heavier than our man. Haye also hurt his right hand in the early going.
As regards his power, Haye’s 23-1 (21) record speaks for itself, but perhaps his biggest-hitting achievement is that he does it ‘his way’, with trainer Adam Booth. He knew from an early age he had the punch to forsake the big British promoters and their long, dull, undermatched approach to building and moving prospects, so he essentially matched himself, bypassed the British cruiserweight title and needed 45 seconds to win the European title at the weight against Russian southpaw Alexander Gurov.
Barrett and Valuev soon followed.
Next, Haye will almost certainly break down veteran John Ruiz in the first defence of his WBA heavyweight title, a regrettable defence he is forced to make because Ruiz, a stinker of an opponent twice beaten by Valuev, is the mandatory. The Klitschkos won’t go anywhere near Ruiz, by the way.
Then he will hunt down those brothers, one by one.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
kikibalt wrote:This old bastid got you too....Rick Farris wrote:dagosd2000 wrote: That's not a guess. That's a question.
Mel Epstein once asked me . . .
"Do you know how to keep an a-hole in suspense?"
I answered, "No, how do you do that?"
Mel just looked me in the eyes and said nothing.
So again I ask,"How do you keep an a-hole in suspense?"
Mel just stood silent with his hands on his hips, smiling.
The old bastid got me.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
It's coming down like cats and dogs this morning. The alarm went off this morning at 4:30 and after hearing the rain I just shut it off and went back to sleep. I'll go in tomorrow.....maybe. I don't mind the rain I just don't like driving in it anymore.
Randy
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Bennie, during your hiatus did you take a crash course in writing? Since coming back you have been pounding out one outstanding piece after another. Great writing and great content.bennie wrote:Six years ago Vitali Klitschko pounded Britain’s Danny Williams in eight rounds in Las Vegas in defence of his WBC heavyweight title. Unbelievably, the 36-year-old Williams is still plodding along, still the British heavyweight champion, while Klitschko still has ‘bad intentions’ for a British heavyweight, the quick, cocky, charismatic, heavy handed David Haye, who guarantees a ‘real’ challenge to the proud Klitschko.
To prove it, Klitschko now seeks to defend against the man Haye trounced in his very last fight: Russia’s Nikolai Valuev. Talk is Klitschko will face the giant Valuev - all seven foot of him – on May 29 in Germany. If the Ukrainian, no midget himself, can finish off the 23-stone Valuev inside 12 rounds, he has put one over ‘the enemy’. Haye could only outscore Valuev over 12 in Germany in November, although he did wobble Valuev in the final frame. Yes, bragging rights still count for something in the 21st century, particularly among the egotistical heavyweights, or the boring old dinosaurs, whichever way you look at the big boys.
The brash, egotistical Haye has clearly ‘got to’ the boring Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, since moving up to heavy just recently and winning the WBA title (from Valuev) within two fights. He walks the walk (and talks the talk) better than any of Klitschko’s rivals – in fact he is their only rival, now he holds the major WBA belt. Vitali holds the WBC belt; Wladimir, the IBF & WBO. Confusing, I know, but these are the only four world belts that mean anything in boxing and the Klitschkos and the 29-year-old Haye smell ‘unification’ in a division devoid of an obvious No. 1. Haye, who proved himself the best cruiserweight in the world, plans to do precisely the same at heavyweight and wants everyone to know it.
This has niggled Wladimir, which in turn niggles older brother Vitali, now a creaking 38, his 6ft 7½ins frame bending a little. Vitali still stands over four inches taller than Haye and weighs around 35 pounds heavier (at 250 pounds), but heavyweight boxing has never been about size - think of Valuev or, better still, the emerging Mike Tyson - it is about talent. The quick, smart, hurtful Haye possesses that talent. He virtually ‘played’ with Valuev three months ago, picking him off throughout, although a few more shots, here and there, would not have gone amiss. Nevertheless, his speed offset the lumbering Valuev, and the slow, muscle-bound Klitschkos also fall into the big lumbering variety.
I am being harsh. Vitali has a chin of iron, and Wladimir has improved immeasurably from the man who once regularly and spectacularly ran out of gas. Frankly, Haye’s own chin and stamina remain in question. He went down a few times at cruiserweight (three times, in fact) and ran out of gas at the weight against a 40-year-old Carl Thompson in 2004, after hammering the living daylights out of Thompson for a few rounds, which remains his only loss. Like Wladimir, the Londoner learned from the bitter losing experience, switching to above sea level for training, namely the Kyrenian mountains in northern Cyprus or “Benn’s Mountain” in Tenerife, and the result was soon obvious.
Haye opened up brilliantly in the ninth round to finish Italy’s rugged Giacobbe Fragomeni, blood pouring from a terrible gash over his left eye, climbed off the floor to overwhelm French star Jean-Marc Mormeck in seven thrilling rounds in Paris and floored heavyweight ‘gatekeeper’ Monte Barrett five times on the way to a superb five-round win in London in November 2008, never once threatening to blow up over the same distance he had blown up against Thompson. He went the full championship 12 with Valuev, of course, although, to make the point again, his workrate was low and one hopes he was simply wary of the huge size and weight of Valuev that night, 99 pounds heavier than our man. Haye also hurt his right hand in the early going.
As regards his power, Haye’s 23-1 (21) record speaks for itself, but perhaps his biggest-hitting achievement is that he does it ‘his way’, with trainer Adam Booth. He knew from an early age he had the punch to forsake the big British promoters and their long, dull, undermatched approach to building and moving prospects, so he essentially matched himself, bypassed the British cruiserweight title and needed 45 seconds to win the European title at the weight against Russian southpaw Alexander Gurov.
Barrett and Valuev soon followed.
Next, Haye will almost certainly break down veteran John Ruiz in the first defence of his WBA heavyweight title, a regrettable defence he is forced to make because Ruiz, a stinker of an opponent twice beaten by Valuev, is the mandatory. The Klitschkos won’t go anywhere near Ruiz, by the way.
Then he will hunt down those brothers, one by one.
In regards to Haye getting knocked down three times: the most telling thing about that is that he got up to win. I admire that. I think Haye will knock out Ruiz and send him into retirement.
Randy
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Rain drop keep falling in SoCal...Randyman wrote:It's coming down like cats and dogs this morning. The alarm went off this morning at 4:30 and after hearing the rain I just shut it off and went back to sleep. I'll go in tomorrow.....maybe. I don't mind the rain I just don't like driving in it anymore.
Randy
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You know, Randy, some of the guys on the British forum think Vitali is class. Born too late, eh?Randyman wrote:Bennie, during your hiatus did you take a crash course in writing? Since coming back you have been pounding out one outstanding piece after another. Great writing and great content.bennie wrote:Six years ago Vitali Klitschko pounded Britain’s Danny Williams in eight rounds in Las Vegas in defence of his WBC heavyweight title. Unbelievably, the 36-year-old Williams is still plodding along, still the British heavyweight champion, while Klitschko still has ‘bad intentions’ for a British heavyweight, the quick, cocky, charismatic, heavy handed David Haye, who guarantees a ‘real’ challenge to the proud Klitschko.
To prove it, Klitschko now seeks to defend against the man Haye trounced in his very last fight: Russia’s Nikolai Valuev. Talk is Klitschko will face the giant Valuev - all seven foot of him – on May 29 in Germany. If the Ukrainian, no midget himself, can finish off the 23-stone Valuev inside 12 rounds, he has put one over ‘the enemy’. Haye could only outscore Valuev over 12 in Germany in November, although he did wobble Valuev in the final frame. Yes, bragging rights still count for something in the 21st century, particularly among the egotistical heavyweights, or the boring old dinosaurs, whichever way you look at the big boys.
The brash, egotistical Haye has clearly ‘got to’ the boring Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, since moving up to heavy just recently and winning the WBA title (from Valuev) within two fights. He walks the walk (and talks the talk) better than any of Klitschko’s rivals – in fact he is their only rival, now he holds the major WBA belt. Vitali holds the WBC belt; Wladimir, the IBF & WBO. Confusing, I know, but these are the only four world belts that mean anything in boxing and the Klitschkos and the 29-year-old Haye smell ‘unification’ in a division devoid of an obvious No. 1. Haye, who proved himself the best cruiserweight in the world, plans to do precisely the same at heavyweight and wants everyone to know it.
This has niggled Wladimir, which in turn niggles older brother Vitali, now a creaking 38, his 6ft 7½ins frame bending a little. Vitali still stands over four inches taller than Haye and weighs around 35 pounds heavier (at 250 pounds), but heavyweight boxing has never been about size - think of Valuev or, better still, the emerging Mike Tyson - it is about talent. The quick, smart, hurtful Haye possesses that talent. He virtually ‘played’ with Valuev three months ago, picking him off throughout, although a few more shots, here and there, would not have gone amiss. Nevertheless, his speed offset the lumbering Valuev, and the slow, muscle-bound Klitschkos also fall into the big lumbering variety.
I am being harsh. Vitali has a chin of iron, and Wladimir has improved immeasurably from the man who once regularly and spectacularly ran out of gas. Frankly, Haye’s own chin and stamina remain in question. He went down a few times at cruiserweight (three times, in fact) and ran out of gas at the weight against a 40-year-old Carl Thompson in 2004, after hammering the living daylights out of Thompson for a few rounds, which remains his only loss. Like Wladimir, the Londoner learned from the bitter losing experience, switching to above sea level for training, namely the Kyrenian mountains in northern Cyprus or “Benn’s Mountain” in Tenerife, and the result was soon obvious.
Haye opened up brilliantly in the ninth round to finish Italy’s rugged Giacobbe Fragomeni, blood pouring from a terrible gash over his left eye, climbed off the floor to overwhelm French star Jean-Marc Mormeck in seven thrilling rounds in Paris and floored heavyweight ‘gatekeeper’ Monte Barrett five times on the way to a superb five-round win in London in November 2008, never once threatening to blow up over the same distance he had blown up against Thompson. He went the full championship 12 with Valuev, of course, although, to make the point again, his workrate was low and one hopes he was simply wary of the huge size and weight of Valuev that night, 99 pounds heavier than our man. Haye also hurt his right hand in the early going.
As regards his power, Haye’s 23-1 (21) record speaks for itself, but perhaps his biggest-hitting achievement is that he does it ‘his way’, with trainer Adam Booth. He knew from an early age he had the punch to forsake the big British promoters and their long, dull, undermatched approach to building and moving prospects, so he essentially matched himself, bypassed the British cruiserweight title and needed 45 seconds to win the European title at the weight against Russian southpaw Alexander Gurov.
Barrett and Valuev soon followed.
Next, Haye will almost certainly break down veteran John Ruiz in the first defence of his WBA heavyweight title, a regrettable defence he is forced to make because Ruiz, a stinker of an opponent twice beaten by Valuev, is the mandatory. The Klitschkos won’t go anywhere near Ruiz, by the way.
Then he will hunt down those brothers, one by one.
In regards to Haye getting knocked down three times: the most telling thing about that is that he got up to win. I admire that. I think Haye will knock out Ruiz and send him into retirement.
Randy
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I'm getting older and the cold is getting to me. I know you guys back east can't figure out what I'm complaining about,but I can't remember it being this cold in SoCal. Right now I'm headed out for my morning walk and I'm not looking forward to it. It's 56 degrees outside and it feels like the North Pole.kikibalt wrote:Rain drop keep falling in SoCal...Randyman wrote:It's coming down like cats and dogs this morning. The alarm went off this morning at 4:30 and after hearing the rain I just shut it off and went back to sleep. I'll go in tomorrow.....maybe. I don't mind the rain I just don't like driving in it anymore.
Randy
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Roger "Ol' Bones" Estydagosd2000 wrote:I'm getting older and the cold is getting to me. I know you guys back east can't figure out what I'm complaining about,but I can't remember it being this cold in SoCal. Right now I'm headed out for my morning walk and I'm not looking forward to it. It's 56 degrees outside and it feels like the North Pole.kikibalt wrote:Rain drop keep falling in SoCal...Randyman wrote:It's coming down like cats and dogs this morning. The alarm went off this morning at 4:30 and after hearing the rain I just shut it off and went back to sleep. I'll go in tomorrow.....maybe. I don't mind the rain I just don't like driving in it anymore.
Randy
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We have a vacuum cleaner museum in St. James, MO!bennie wrote:
Only in England.
http://vacuummuseum.com/
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YEAH,I'LL WATCH IT
Yeah,I'll watch the Super Bowl. My sisters are having a big spread. Pete the Cop from across the street will be there. I hope his Mexican wife Ana makes it She's a closer at a Toyota dealership.I know she works Sundays. She may sell Toyotas but she's built like a Rolls Royce.
Yeah,I'll have my tequila at my side. My sisters will have the sausage and peppers waiting. Their flat screen reaches to the end of the block.At the half,me and Pete the Cop will go out to the patio and smoke a good cigar.
Yeah,I'll be there all right. I don't care who wins. These players and coaches with their multi million long term contracts. All the gesturing in front of the cameras. All the pre game and the post game talk.
Yeah,I'll be there.Maria will be home cooking.Gee, I hope Pete the Cops wife doesn't have to work.

Pete the Cop and his wife,Ana
Yeah,I'll watch the Super Bowl. My sisters are having a big spread. Pete the Cop from across the street will be there. I hope his Mexican wife Ana makes it She's a closer at a Toyota dealership.I know she works Sundays. She may sell Toyotas but she's built like a Rolls Royce.
Yeah,I'll have my tequila at my side. My sisters will have the sausage and peppers waiting. Their flat screen reaches to the end of the block.At the half,me and Pete the Cop will go out to the patio and smoke a good cigar.
Yeah,I'll be there all right. I don't care who wins. These players and coaches with their multi million long term contracts. All the gesturing in front of the cameras. All the pre game and the post game talk.
Yeah,I'll be there.Maria will be home cooking.Gee, I hope Pete the Cops wife doesn't have to work.

Pete the Cop and his wife,Ana
