Probably Botha's best performance and it was actually a loss...goes alongside him giving Tyson a few quite interesting/testy rounds three years later when Botha actually started darn well and developed some promising momentum.
Strange fighter was Botha - he sometimes looked quite capable and got a few results - but ultimately he lacked a punch like Sanders or Coetzee.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 10 Dec 2020, 20:57
by NoScoutingReports
George Groves v Kenny Anderson - entertaining fight for the Commonwealth 168lb title, good to look back at GG at 22 to show how he developed from this point. Anderson had Groves down and pretty troubled in R3 and Kenny was applying consistent pressure with clean, straight shots but Groves regained his composure to eventually to secure the stoppage in R6 following some accurate body work.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 11 Dec 2020, 14:00
by DrDuke
Mike Tyson vs Henry Tillman, Mike Tyson vs Alex Stewart
A couple of easy nights for Tyson to regain confidence after the Douglas loss, both KOs in 1.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 11 Dec 2020, 15:11
by Djanders44
Caractacus wrote: ↑08 Dec 2020, 15:59
couldn't believe the great quality of this video-in watching it,It's almost like you were there at ringside !
I just watched that one again. Thanks for the link! Big George could really hit in both careers. I rode on a plane with him once, during his second career. I even spoke with him. He was very easy to talk with. I asked him where that power he has comes from? He said: "My feet. It's all connected." That's the latest Heavy weight champ I've spoken with, in person. The first was Jack Dempsey. I was a little boy and my Dad took us to Jack Dempsey's Restaurant. when we visited New York City. Jack was there and visiting tables. My Dad had always talked about Jack's killer instinct, so I asked him where that came from? Jack said: "Fear. I was afraid of those guys." I remember seeing Jack, on the television, in Dog Food Commercials. I don't remember the brand but the dog he was with looked just like him. Sorry. I ramble. Getting old. I often forget where I left my glasses. But I was a boy once, and talked with Jack Dempsey. And I remember.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 12 Dec 2020, 07:26
by Syntax Error
Joe Calzaghe V Chris Eubank.
A tremendous fight between two warriors who did not want to give an inch.
Calzaghe had Eubank down early, but Chris had such a good chin & didn't look hurt by it, even though he obviously was.
Eubank tried desperately to subdue Calzaghe & even though Joe was dead tired & his hands were busted, he never stopped firing.
Eubank took Calzaghe to the trenches, but Joe proved he was quite happy to be there.
A good win for Calzaghe & one that should have made him a star, but it didn't.
Caractacus wrote: ↑08 Dec 2020, 15:59
couldn't believe the great quality of this video-in watching it,It's almost like you were there at ringside !
I just watched that one again. Thanks for the link! Big George could really hit in both careers. I rode on a plane with him once, during his second career. I even spoke with him. He was very easy to talk with. I asked him where that power he has comes from? He said: "My feet. It's all connected." That's the latest Heavy weight champ I've spoken with, in person. The first was Jack Dempsey. I was a little boy and my Dad took us to Jack Dempsey's Restaurant. when we visited New York City. Jack was there and visiting tables. My Dad had always talked about Jack's killer instinct, so I asked him where that came from? Jack said: "Fear. I was afraid of those guys." I remember seeing Jack, on the television, in Dog Food Commercials. I don't remember the brand but the dog he was with looked just like him. Sorry. I ramble. Getting old. I often forget where I left my glasses. But I was a boy once, and talked with Jack Dempsey. And I remember.
Caractacus wrote: ↑08 Dec 2020, 15:59
couldn't believe the great quality of this video-in watching it,It's almost like you were there at ringside !
I just watched that one again. Thanks for the link! Big George could really hit in both careers. I rode on a plane with him once, during his second career. I even spoke with him. He was very easy to talk with. I asked him where that power he has comes from? He said: "My feet. It's all connected." That's the latest Heavy weight champ I've spoken with, in person. The first was Jack Dempsey. I was a little boy and my Dad took us to Jack Dempsey's Restaurant. when we visited New York City. Jack was there and visiting tables. My Dad had always talked about Jack's killer instinct, so I asked him where that came from? Jack said: "Fear. I was afraid of those guys." I remember seeing Jack, on the television, in Dog Food Commercials. I don't remember the brand but the dog he was with looked just like him. Sorry. I ramble. Getting old. I often forget where I left my glasses. But I was a boy once, and talked with Jack Dempsey. And I remember.
Cool, thanks for sharing
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 12 Dec 2020, 15:06
by Caractacus
Gil Clancy has said that Cooney was "too light" for that fight.
( I think he should have came in at least 10 pounds heavier myself considering Foreman's huge bulk)
also the ref there seemed to have interupted Cooney twice when he went on the offensive,
once in the first round to stop the fight to get the mouth-piece and the second round after Cooney landed to the body.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:41
by DrDuke
Mike Tyson vs Frank Bruno II
Tyson pressed forward, Bruno was getting battered and he was trying to survive in clinches a lot. Bruno was deducted a point for the excessive holding in the 2nd rd. In the 3rd Tyson countered Bruno's lazy combination with his own good one: right hook to the body - left hook to the head. Bruno was hurt, Tyson went for the kill with the barrage of punches. Mills Lane stopped it without giving Bruno a count.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 11:02
by DrDuke
Mike Tyson vs Bruce Seldon
A clear dive. Seldon went down in the 1st rd after a missed Tyson's punch. He stood up, Tyson went for a kill and scored a left hook. Seldon fell, after what he got up with a clear head, stood up straight for several seconds, then he shook his head and imitated a wobble, which caused Richard Steele to stop the fight. No one gave Oscar to Seldon for some reason. And that was the last time Tyson became a champion.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 16:00
by Bodyshot3
Joe Calzaghe V Chris Eubank.
A tremendous fight between two warriors who did not want to give an inch.
Calzaghe had Eubank down early, but Chris had such a good chin & didn't look hurt by it, even though he obviously was.
Eubank tried desperately to subdue Calzaghe & even though Joe was dead tired & his hands were busted, he never stopped firing.
Eubank took Calzaghe to the trenches, but Joe proved he was quite happy to be there.
A good win for Calzaghe & one that should have made him a star, but it didn't.
Calzaghe is pretty clear in his excellent book No Ordinary Joe that this was the fight where things came close to getting very messy and dangerous for him.
And Eubank was really only there because Steve Collins said - "no thanks, Joe" - and Chris himself was coming off a pair of losses to Collins!
Calzaghe was hot property at this juncture but some of the first defences took the momentum out of his career either because of his hands or the somewhat ho-hum quality of his opponent. Although he did put Sheika right back in his box and had a good old tear-up with Byron Mitchell and a top fight with Brewer too.
Amazing to think that it would be the best part of nine years after the Eubank fight that Joe turned it on against Lacy and became a big star.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 04:50
by handsofstone
Michael Moorer vs Vassiliy Jirov
Moorer comes from behind to stop Jirov in the 9th round of a non title Heavyweight fight, Moorer was getting on and barely let his hands go all night , Jirov simply picked him off with the jab, battle of the southpaws, Moorer was giving a count in the 3rd after the ref bizarrely called a clear headclash a knockdown, Jirov continued to pepper Moorer with the jab all night
Jirov started to turn it up in the 9th but it was his undoing as Moorer caught him with a short little left hand on the inside which dropped Jirov amd and took his legs away from him, he did make count but his legs were still shaky and it was stopped, came out of nowhere really
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 14 Dec 2020, 04:53
by DrDuke
handsofstone wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 04:50
Michael Moorer vs Vassiliy Jirov
Moorer was vastly declined and out of shape there, but still he was able to pull out a victory.
Probably Botha's best performance and it was actually a loss...goes alongside him giving Tyson a few quite interesting/testy rounds three years later when Botha actually started darn well and developed some promising momentum.
Strange fighter was Botha - he sometimes looked quite capable and got a few results - but ultimately he lacked a punch like Sanders or Coetzee.
He was schooling Tyson.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 14:43
by Bodyshot3
He was schooling Tyson.
He started darn well........that's for sure, hence the comment that his best performance was actually a loss.
Botha was arguably the last of the big Afrikaaner "blue collar" Heavyweight of any real note.
He followed in the footsteps of Coetzee, Sanders, Coetzer, Knoetzee, Mike Schuttee and Du Plooy.
The cupboard is now somewhat bare with a guy called Tian Flick - a 36 year-old, 9 fight novice - the best SA heavyweight out there. Feels a bit sad to me.
He started darn well........that's for sure, hence the comment that his best performance was actually a loss.
Botha was arguably the last of the big Afrikaaner "blue collar" Heavyweight of any real note.
He followed in the footsteps of Coetzee, Sanders, Coetzer, Knoetzee, Mike Schuttee and Du Plooy.
The cupboard is now somewhat bare with a guy called Tian Flick - a 36 year-old, 9 fight novice - the best SA heavyweight out there. Feels a bit sad to me.
I had money on him. It was all too easy, got overconfident.
Needless to say, he wouldn;'t have stood a chance versus a prime Mike.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 08:20
by AntonioMartin
Very good fight between 2 b-level fighters...I think it was KO Magazine's 1984 Heavyweight FOTY.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 20:50
by Mikey K
1988-01-31, Osaka-Jo Hall, Osaka, WBC Flyweight title fight between (Champion) Sot Chitalada and (Challenger) Hideaki Kamishiro.
Good fight, Sot put on a boxing clinic, unfortunate that Hideaki leads with his face, he never fought again after this fight which is another example of (for whatever reason) talent lost in the long grass.
Morales KOs Zaragoza in the 11th to become World Super Bantamweight champ, great test for Morales he had to work hard for that win, Zaragoza used all his heart and guile to trouble Morales for spells, he hurt Morales in the early rounds with a looping southpaw left hand which had Morales holding, a left to the body in the middle rounds hurt Morales as well, Morales was counter punching most of thr night and it was a tight affair, Morales found tgr breakthrough in the 8th, hurt Zaragoza and teed off on him leaving Zaragoza reeling around the ring
Zaragoza has massive cojones though and fought back like a champ, Morales put him down in thr 10th, right uppercut to the body sent him down but he bravely got up, things were over in the 11th finally when a Morales straight right to the body put Zaragoza away for the count
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 17 Dec 2020, 05:29
by Counter-puncher
handsofstone wrote: ↑17 Dec 2020, 05:00
Erik Morales vs Daniel Zaragoza
Morales KOs Zaragoza in the 11th to become World Super Bantamweight champ, great test for Morales he had to work hard for that win, Zaragoza used all his heart and guile to trouble Morales for spells, he hurt Morales in the early rounds with a looping southpaw left hand which had Morales holding, a left to the body in the middle rounds hurt Morales as well, Morales was counter punching most of thr night and it was a tight affair, Morales found tgr breakthrough in the 8th, hurt Zaragoza and teed off on him leaving Zaragoza reeling around the ring
Zaragoza has massive cojones though and fought back like a champ, Morales put him down in thr 10th, right uppercut to the body sent him down but he bravely got up, things were over in the 11th finally when a Morales straight right to the body put Zaragoza away for the count
Zaragoza's facial expression after he goes down the second time is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen in a boxing ring. It just says everything, about the fight, and his career. Brilliant moment.
Caba 96-95. If Beard had got on his toes earlier, he could have pulled this off. Caba hit Beard with the stronger shots, amazingly Jackie bullied Jose into the ropes a couple of times.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 17 Dec 2020, 14:01
by scartissue
Nile4000 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2020, 11:59
Not really a classic fight but a real good one:
Caba 96-95. If Beard had got on his toes earlier, he could have pulled this off. Caba hit Beard with the stronger shots, amazingly Jackie bullied Jose into the ropes a couple of times.
Nile, I posted this on the scorecard thread a while back. This is what I wrote:
Jackie Beard against Jose Caba. This was good matchmaking IMO. Beard had such an impressive amateur pedigree, was 12-0 as a pro and was being pushed along nicely and needed a good name on his record and Caba fit the bill. He had height and reach on Caba but Caba had fought unsuccessfully for the featherweight title against Danny Lopez (although he really didn't deserve his title shot). So it looked good and was good.
Total: 97-94 Caba (actual scores: 95-95 and scores of 97-92 and 97-95 both for Caba for a majority win)
The winner of this bout was supposed to get a title shot at Eusebio Pedroza. And Caba did, but a year and a half later. Don't know what happened there. Beard did very well but should have boxed more. Whenever he was infighting he was getting tagged by those right hands of Caba. Still, it was his style and it it is what it is. And it made for a good fight.
Caba 96-95. If Beard had got on his toes earlier, he could have pulled this off. Caba hit Beard with the stronger shots, amazingly Jackie bullied Jose into the ropes a couple of times.
Nile, I posted this on the scorecard thread a while back. This is what I wrote:
Jackie Beard against Jose Caba. This was good matchmaking IMO. Beard had such an impressive amateur pedigree, was 12-0 as a pro and was being pushed along nicely and needed a good name on his record and Caba fit the bill. He had height and reach on Caba but Caba had fought unsuccessfully for the featherweight title against Danny Lopez (although he really didn't deserve his title shot). So it looked good and was good.
Total: 97-94 Caba (actual scores: 95-95 and scores of 97-92 and 97-95 both for Caba for a majority win)
The winner of this bout was supposed to get a title shot at Eusebio Pedroza. And Caba did, but a year and a half later. Don't know what happened there. Beard did very well but should have boxed more. Whenever he was infighting he was getting tagged by those right hands of Caba. Still, it was his style and it it is what it is. And it made for a good fight.
You called it Scar! Sorry, didn't remember you posting it, but it has been awhile for me.
Caba 96-95. If Beard had got on his toes earlier, he could have pulled this off. Caba hit Beard with the stronger shots, amazingly Jackie bullied Jose into the ropes a couple of times.
Nile, I posted this on the scorecard thread a while back. This is what I wrote:
Jackie Beard against Jose Caba. This was good matchmaking IMO. Beard had such an impressive amateur pedigree, was 12-0 as a pro and was being pushed along nicely and needed a good name on his record and Caba fit the bill. He had height and reach on Caba but Caba had fought unsuccessfully for the featherweight title against Danny Lopez (although he really didn't deserve his title shot). So it looked good and was good.
Total: 97-94 Caba (actual scores: 95-95 and scores of 97-92 and 97-95 both for Caba for a majority win)
The winner of this bout was supposed to get a title shot at Eusebio Pedroza. And Caba did, but a year and a half later. Don't know what happened there. Beard did very well but should have boxed more. Whenever he was infighting he was getting tagged by those right hands of Caba. Still, it was his style and it it is what it is. And it made for a good fight.
You called it Scar! Sorry, didn't remember you posting it, but it has been awhile for me.
I know, Nile. I don't know what's going on with that thread. I used to be a minor cog on that thread but now it seems like everyone has abandoned it. I post all the time there but after awhile it seems like I'm just talking to myself.
