Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 17:13


Mickey mentioned this in his book.Rick Farris wrote:Jackie McCoy on Carlos Palomino . . .
"When we went to London for Carlos Palomino's shot at the welterweight title in 1976, the papers were saying he'd last four rounds, maybe five. Carlos was a 10-to-one underdog, nobody thought he had any kind of chance. All the papers talked about was what a great fighter John Stracey was and how he wanted Carlos Monzon next. The promoter, Mickey Duff, even told me, "I think Palomino is very ordinary, to be honest with you". Mickey's a sharp guy. Obviously it was a big advantage for Mickey as a promoter to keep the title. But when Mickey told me that I didn't say a word."
"Just before the fight started, Mickey's walking around inside the ring wearing a tuxedo, I walked over to him and said, "Hey Mickey, we didn't come here for a payday, because we aren't getting one." We were getting $10,000. which even then was small. Then I told him, "We came over here to take the title, and that's exactly what we are going to do." Mickey looked at me and said, "Oh, my God!"
Afterwards, I asked Mickey, "How come you acted so scared when I talked to you in the ring?" And he said, "Because you usually don't talk like that." I don't, but I did that time because I just knew we were going to win. When I first started with Carlos, he had an AAU style. Stood straight up, jab, straight right hand. But he developed a great hook to the liver. Early on against Stracey, he started digging that hook in the body. In the twelfth that's what he knocked Stracey out with. The second time Stracey went down he was in agony."
-Jackie McCoy
("In The Corner" by Dave Anderson)
Frank, it's been a while but I have been there. The food is good too. I'll have to make it a point to stop by soon.kikibalt wrote:
Randy...Ever been to Lupe"s on Paramount and Beverly in Old Pico for burritos, burgers, etc etc.?
Took Connie and our daughter Linda today for some burritos.
Maybe she'll give you a box of candy..kikibalt wrote:Connie ask me,"Why do they make a big deal out of Valentine day?"
"It for lovers babe, you suppose to give me one"
"Why? said Connie
"Arent't we lovers?" I say
"No we're enemys" says Connie....
Poison candys?....Randyman wrote:Maybe she'll give you a box of candy..kikibalt wrote:Connie ask me,"Why do they make a big deal out of Valentine day?"
"It for lovers babe, you suppose to give me one"
"Why? said Connie
"Arent't we lovers?" I say
"No we're enemys" says Connie....
Being going there since it open 30-35 years ago, The lady that first open the place was Lupe, before she open the stand she used to work at a burrito stand on Third St. in ELA, about 2-3 block east of Ford Blvd. on the south side of the street.Randyman wrote:Frank, it's been a while but I have been there. The food is good too. I'll have to make it a point to stop by soon.kikibalt wrote:
Randy...Ever been to Lupe"s on Paramount and Beverly in Old Pico for burritos, burgers, etc etc.?
Took Connie and our daughter Linda today for some burritos.
Randy
Mil, have you ever been to Garcia's on 4th st in Albuquerque? Great food. Give it a try.milmascaras1 wrote:kikibalt,
speaking about great mexican fast food restaurants, ever hear or been to a little fast food joint in culver city named Tito's Tacos? i was raised in culver city
in the early seventies and my dad would always take us there. it's right on washington blvd. just off the freeway. great place! live in albuquerque, nm. now but
everytime i visit california i always go there. i swear if i were a millionaire, i would have food flown from that place everyday.
No, never have, I think I been to CC maybe once or twice in my life time, and that 70+ years.milmascaras1 wrote:kikibalt,
speaking about great mexican fast food restaurants, ever hear or been to a little fast food joint in culver city named Tito's Tacos? i was raised in culver city
in the early seventies and my dad would always take us there. it's right on washington blvd. just off the freeway. great place! live in albuquerque, nm. now but
everytime i visit california i always go there. i swear if i were a millionaire, i would have food flown from that place everyday.
Randyman wrote:Mil, have you ever been to Garcia's on 4th st in Albuquerque? Great food. Give it a try.milmascaras1 wrote:kikibalt,
speaking about great mexican fast food restaurants, ever hear or been to a little fast food joint in culver city named Tito's Tacos? i was raised in culver city
in the early seventies and my dad would always take us there. it's right on washington blvd. just off the freeway. great place! live in albuquerque, nm. now but
everytime i visit california i always go there. i swear if i were a millionaire, i would have food flown from that place everyday.
I may give Tito's a try. The little Taco stands are the best.
Randy
kikibalt wrote:Poison candys?....Randyman wrote:Maybe she'll give you a box of candy..kikibalt wrote:Connie ask me,"Why do they make a big deal out of Valentine day?"
"It for lovers babe, you suppose to give me one"
"Why? said Connie
"Arent't we lovers?" I say
"No we're enemys" says Connie....
was catching up on my reading on page 90 I remember Pappy Gault as somebodies trainer anybody know who Pappy gault trainedkikibalt wrote:
Hammer . . . I remember Pappy Gault as one of our better amateur coaches.THEHAMMER321 wrote:was catching up on my reading on page 90 I remember Pappy Gault as somebodies trainer anybody know who Pappy gault trainedkikibalt wrote:
thx RickRick Farris wrote:Hammer . . . I remember Pappy Gault as one of our better amateur coaches.THEHAMMER321 wrote:was catching up on my reading on page 90 I remember Pappy Gault as somebodies trainer anybody know who Pappy gault trainedkikibalt wrote:
I believe he coached at least one of our Olympic teams.
Hammer . . . Pappy Gault was shot to death in 1972. He was 42-years-old.THEHAMMER321 wrote:thx RickRick Farris wrote:Hammer . . . I remember Pappy Gault as one of our better amateur coaches.THEHAMMER321 wrote: was catching up on my reading on page 90 I remember Pappy Gault as somebodies trainer anybody know who Pappy gault trained
I believe he coached at least one of our Olympic teams.

Two different dudes, the black & white thing here, the Pappy that fought Keeny was white, the amateur coach was black.Rick Farris wrote:Hammer . . . I remember Pappy Gault as one of our better amateur coaches.THEHAMMER321 wrote:was catching up on my reading on page 90 I remember Pappy Gault as somebodies trainer anybody know who Pappy gault trainedkikibalt wrote:
I believe he coached at least one of our Olympic teams.
I remember trying to play handball in the basement of the Teamsters Gym, never could get the hang of it...kikibalt wrote:Extending a hand to a faded East L.A. handball court
The Maravilla court, built in the 1920s, 'was holy ground' even when the neighborhood got rough. A local group is trying to buy it and reopen it as a community center.
A group of Mixteca Indians demonstrates a different form of handball at an event to raise money to buy the Maravilla Handball Court in East Los Angeles. (Anne Cusack / Los Angeles Times / February 13, 2010)
By Hector Becerra
February 14, 2010
About a year ago, Amanda Perez of East Los Angeles called a friend and asked her to come to an old handball court she was trying to save.
When Virginia Sandoval parked her car and beheld the red brick facade of the building, she cried.
The Maravilla Handball Court on Mednik Avenue was built with bricks from the nearby former Davidson Brick Yard, where Sandoval's father used to work and where she used to play as a girl. Sandoval, 66, soon joined Perez, 54, in her effort to preserve the court, which was completed in 1923.
"This place means a lot to a lot of people," Sandoval said Saturday. "I cried because those bricks were my father's life, that's how he supported us. And this handball court is part of our culture."
Louie Herrera, 53, used to play handball on the court. He fondly recalled Michi Nishiyama, who with her husband, Tommy, had owned the court since 1940. Nishiyama ran a grocery store next door and even organized dances at the property. She was known for her abiding tenderness, even when the neighborhood could be rough.
"You could be shot by a stray bullet outside, but this place was holy ground," Herrera said. "It was special. It was treated with respect. And Michi was an angel. She showed a lot of affection to the neighborhood."
Nishiyama died in 2006, and her husband a year later, and the Maravilla court began a rapid decline. Soon it was shut. For about a year, squatters haunted the fading court.
Perez said she was driving by and saw how bedraggled it had become. She recalled Tommy's and Michi's kindness, and this didn't seem right. She finally asked the couple's son whether his parents had ever been honored for their dedication to the neighborhood. He said no, and that clinched it, Perez said. She and some friends from the neighborhood decided to take action.
"That was it," she said. "I said, 'It's not too late; we want to honor your parents.' "
They formed the Maravilla Historical Society and, with help from the Los Angeles Conservancy, kicked off an effort to buy the property and reopen it as a community center and a handball court geared toward children.
Perez said they are hoping to raise about $100,000 by May to begin buying the property.
She has enlisted the help of Tony Huante, a legendary handball coach known for churning out national and world champions from working-class Eastside neighborhoods. Beginning Wednesday, the 81-year-old Huante will conduct clinics twice a week for children who want to learn the sport.
In December he organized the first-ever coed tournament for children at the Maravilla court. Huante has coached young players who became police officers, firefighters and doctors.
"We're going to teach you to be a champion," he told a group of children during the launch of the fundraising campaign.
In its early years, the handball court drew a diverse group of players: white, Latino, Armenian, Japanese American.
Many old players admit that the court wasn't always the place for children to be.
For a while it had a reputation as a hangout for gang members from the neighborhood. Some players drank beer there, and there was even a small gambling hall next to the court.
"There was a casino here 24 hours," Perez said, showing a small room with an ancient-looking refrigerator. "It was a boys' club."
But "this place is going to be for children," she said. "We've got girls signed up along with boys, and our goal is to make champion players here."
Sara Guerrero, 9, said she looked forward to attending the clinics. For almost all of its history, the handball court was open only to male players.
"You get a lot of exercise, and you get energy, and you get better," Sara said. "It's really fun."
hector.becerra@ latimes.com