Classic American West Coast Boxing

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dagosd2000 wrote:THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH

Circus people and fighters.Those two circles have always given me the reality check on people experiencing life in the real world. Circuses and boxing. Occupations the normal school kid doesn't give much thought about. Seems like endeavors for the dreamer. Definitely pushing the envelope. Yeah,maybe a rap star or a point guard in the NBA. That's a dream. Hear it all the time being a teacher though.
"Yep. That's what I want to be when I grow up!"

Hung around fighters and boxing gyms. Worked out with the boys. My father would bring the "carny" characters home once in a while when he worked the state fair in southern Illinois. Wherever's a tent, the carnival people will migrate to.

Clowns always scared me a little. The trapeez artists are family acts. The women are beautifull and powerfull. The animal trainers who work with the big cats is something I'd wouldn't want to risk doing. The first time I saw midgets I thought they were little kids like meyself until I got close and they snarled at me. They must have known by my approach that I'd never seen a midget. I ran away.

Fighters thinking nothing of fighting.Like they were getting dressed to go to work. Tightrope walkers working without a net. Day after day night after night doing that. For me it would take a lifetime to do that only once.

All the fighters and all the circus people who call it their living. Their life.Sawdust in their veins. A born fighter. Occupations you won't find on the board at the unemployment office.

Yet looking down from the stars and seeing them perform. What made them go in that direction?For a planet that's a spec of dust in the scheme of things,their performances can be said to be"The Greatest Show On Earth."
There are some jobs or careers that a man can leave, move on and never give a thought to again. Then there are some jobs, occupations or careers that stay with a man forever. It stays with you always. Boxing is like that. The love of it is ingrained. I know it's that way with everyone on this thread. I can read the love even in the simplest and quickest post.

Just for the record, not even a lifetime would get me across a tightrope.

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dagosd2000 wrote:
Randyman wrote:This is my youngest grandchild, Maddie. It was her birthday today. My daughter gave her a party at "Pump it Up" in Chino Hills. All the kids wear me out but it was a good time. Family, you know.

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Randy
How many kids in this world have never had a birthday party? How many kids have never had a family that cared much about them?

The smile on Maddie's face says that she will never know what it's like not to be loved. :bow:
Rog, my grandfather (my father's father) died when I was one year old. My father talked about him often but I never knew him. my mothers father was a "rambling man" he would head to New York and live there a few years and then head somewhere else and then every five of ten years come by for a visit, usually just a few hours. When he was done raising his kids and divorced my grandmother, he never looked back. I saw him a few times in my life but never spent any real time with him. he was found dead and beaten in a Los Angeles County jail cell. My mother took it hard.

My dad died fairly young so the his grandkids never really knew him either. Jeri's dad was the only grandfather my kids knew but he was very old. He was old enough to be my father's father, so it was hard for him to spend time with any of his grandkids.

Maybe I'm trying to make up for all of that, I don't know. But you're right Rog. Maddie and the rest of them will never know what it's like not to be loved. they won't have an inkling. Meanwhile, I'll say a prayer for all the other kids. Kids who know things no kids should know. God Bless them.

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dagosd2000 wrote:Randy,Rick
Thanks for the compliments on my paintings. Joe Louis's face has always said more to me than other boxer. :TU:
More than any other fighter, Joe Louis' eyes always looked sad to me, like he was keeping a secret pain or hurt to himself. He couldn't hide it though. In his later years it really showed.

Randy :box:
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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Randy,Rick
Thanks for the compliments on my paintings. Joe Louis's face has always said more to me than other boxer. :TU:
More than any other fighter, Joe Louis' eyes always looked sad to me, like he was keeping a secret pain or hurt to himself. He couldn't hide it though. In his later years it really showed.

Randy :box:


You again? . . .

Roger, when Joe Louis was the champ, he had his "Bum of the Month" club we all know about.
Ray Arcel was in the corner of many of the fighters that Louis destroyed in those matches.
In one of the fights, Arcel was working the corner of Abe Simon.
When the two fighters met in the center of the ring for the ref's instructions, Louis looked at Arcel and said, "You again?"

Shortly before Louis passed away, Arcel saw the Brown Bomber sitting ringside for a major fight in his wheel chair.
The old trainer approached the former heavyweight champ and their eyes met.
Arcel leaned forward and whispered in Louis' ear, "It's me again."
Louis nodded, a big smile on his face.


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Randyman wrote:This is my youngest grandchild, Maddie. It was her birthday today. My daughter gave her a party at "Pump it Up" in Chino Hills. All the kids wear me out but it was a good time. Family, you know.

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Randy, what a beautiful child!
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CROWE'S NEST
Ex-boxer Paul Banke battles on after AIDS diagnosis

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Former boxing champion Paul Banke hangs out at his Hollywood apartment with one of his two dogs, Rosemary. (Glenn Koenig / Los Angeles Times / February 24, 2010)

The fighter says he is sober after years of drug abuse and still calls himself 'lucky' 15 years after his AIDS diagnosis.
By Jerry Crowe

March 1, 2010

Boxing took Paul Banke to more than a dozen foreign countries and, figuratively, to the top of the world.

Life took him to hell and back.

It's not been an easy ride.

Banke is a former World Boxing Council super-bantamweight champion who in 1995 became the first major U.S. boxer to publicly acknowledge that he had AIDS.

Perhaps best known for his savage bouts with Daniel Zaragoza, he vowed to become a spokesman and a symbol, promised to venture into the community to speak about living with the disease in hopes of inspiring others.

But that never happened.

Instead, Banke returned to the hard-driving, drug-abusing lifestyle that cut short his boxing career, sending him into a soul-sucking cycle of rehabilitation and relapse.

"He went from way up there," says his mother, Yolanda Miranda, "to all the way down, eating out of garbage cans."

Then he sobered up.

"I just got tired of it," Banke says, claiming that he has been drug-free for about five years. "I used to go to meetings all the time -- and then later I would use. I tried to get into a sober program -- and then later I would use. And you know what? I woke up one day and said, 'Enough.' I just quit."

As he speaks, Banke sits on a folding chair in the tiny, sparsely furnished studio apartment in Los Feliz that he shares with six uncaged parakeets and his beloved dogs: Rosemary, a Scotch terrier poodle, and BB, a cocker spaniel-Chihuahua mix.

The dogs nap atop blankets piled on the floor, but the birds chirp incessantly, every now and again flying from perch to perch at either end of the narrow apartment.

In anticipation of an upcoming fumigation, Banke says he recently dumped his bed and two old couches.

On a piece of paper taped to the back of his front door, he has written himself a note of inspiration: "It's not he who falls that fails but he who falls and fails to rise again."

He suffers from pugilistic dementia, which causes him to slur his words, but he is alert and engaging, smiling easily.

He turns 46 Monday.

"I see people on the bus and they've got problems," says Banke, who does not own a car. "They're homeless, or they've got other problems, and I think, 'Thank God, my life's all right.' I've got a little apartment. I've got dogs that love me. I'm OK."

Glancing at his dogs, he says, "They love you no matter what, you know what I'm saying? They don't care if you're good-looking or ugly. They don't care if your credit's good or bad."

Banke has been married three times, twice since he was diagnosed with AIDS, and has three adult children.

Last year, he became a grandfather.

Living alone, he notes, can be depressing at times.

"But thank God for the cable," he says. "Thank God for my cellphone. Thank God my kids can visit me."

When they do, they might hear the story of how the Azusa-reared Banke started fighting when he was 12 years old and quickly developed into one of the Southland's most talented amateurs. Traveling the world with international teams, he'd been to Russia by the time he was 16. He'd fought on national television.

Though he failed to make the star-studded 1984 U.S. Olympic boxing team, Banke as a young professional joined Bob Richardson's All-Heart Gym in Riverside, where his left-handed, no-holds-barred style embodied the gym's name.

One writer, noting Banke's ferocity and the way he carried his hands high against his jaw, called him a mini- Mike Tyson.

A Forum and Jerry Buss favorite, Banke won $100,000 in a super-bantamweight tournament in 1988 and earned a WBC title shot against Zaragoza at the Forum in 1989.

Banke knocked the champion down in the ninth round of a memorably fierce battle but lost a split decision.

Then, 10 months later, he won a rematch -- and the title -- by knockout.

He kept the title for only a few months, losing in his second defense, and fought for the last time in December 1993.

Two years later, he found out he had AIDS -- the result, Banke says, of frequent drug use or careless sexual activity.

But that didn't stop him from slamming crystal meth or abusing other drugs. Once, he says, he overdosed on cocaine, surviving only because someone dropped him at a hospital.

Rolling up the sleeve of his sweater, Banke shows a visitor the needle marks up and down his right arm.

"Five years later," he says, "the scars are still there."

Until recently, Banke sometimes sought work as a day laborer. As a boxing trainer, he had worked with cops, attorneys, dentists and other professionals at a local gym. And he had volunteered at an Inglewood church, teaching boxing to kids.

He stopped doing all that, he says, because he felt guilty leaving his dogs home alone all day with no one to take them outside. His mother cites another reason: her son's diminished stamina.

In 15 years, though, Banke says he has never been sick.

"Of course I feel lucky," he says, seeking no sympathy. "If God took me tomorrow, I'd be all right with that. . . .

"I got to experience a granddaughter, I got to see my kids get older. These kids serving in Iraq -- 19-, 20-year-old kids getting killed -- didn't get to experience that.

"I've been a world champion. I've been blessed."

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Final bell for Manny Pacquiao?

The Filipino boxer might be headed for his last bout because of other interests, including politics, and a fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. just might never happen.

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Boxer Manny Pacquiao is not only a hero in his native Philippines but is popular worldwide since becoming known as the best pound-for-pound boxer. (Mark Ralston / AFP/Getty Images / November 4, 2009)

By Lance Pugmire

March 1, 2010

Manny Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, delivered this knee-buckling assessment for boxing fans already distraught by the failed Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. negotiations.

"This could be our last fight," Roach said last week, as Pacquiao heads into the final days of training for his March 13 welterweight world title bout against Joshua Clottey at Cowboys Stadium outside Dallas.

Roach's sobering speculation about boxing's biggest star is based on a chain of events that could occur.

Pacquiao, 31, is running for a congressional seat in his native Philippines. If elected in May, he'll represent a community of about 400,000 people in need of improved healthcare, education and employment that the boxer himself was deprived of while being raised in poverty.

"I can see the help people need because I've been in that place," Pacquiao said. "They're poor, suffering, and needing help from the government. I know what they feel."

His public-service duties will be tremendous, the boxer and his closest advisors know, and his election is more realistic than it was when he failed to win a national seat a few years ago.

Pacquiao, recently selected fighter of the decade, has won 11 consecutive fights against the likes of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto and Juan Manuel Marquez.

If he beats Clottey as expected, and if Mayweather defeats Shane Mosley on May 1, negotiations for a Pacquiao-Mayweather bout are likely to resume.

"I've talked to Manny about this. And if Mayweather doesn't come back to the table in a mood to negotiate, the public demand won't be there for any other fight," Roach said. "So if Manny wins the election and likes politics, this [Clottey fight] could be it. And I have no problem with that. I don't want Manny to be one of those guys who stays too long. It's better to go out on top.

"That's my goal for him, and I've told him, 'Don't do it like everyone else in the world.' "

Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 knockouts) has fought only six fewer bouts than Muhammad Ali, and has boxed the same number of rounds (305) that "Sugar" Ray Leonard had when he retired.

Roach also serves as a reminder of the perils of an overextended boxing career, as he battles the effects of pugilistic Parkinson's syndrome.

Before a recent workout at Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Pacquiao expressed enthusiasm to fight Mayweather but noted the uncertainty over his future.

"It's hard to say. Is this my last fight? We'll see," Pacquiao said. "One never knows. It's still so early to be talking about this, but I do like the thought of going out on top.

"We did a lot in boxing, achieved a lot -- more than what we set out to do."

Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, said he was "inclined to doubt" that his star fighter would walk away from the sport.

The reason?

"Money," Arum said, referring not only to the $12-million guaranteed payday Pacquiao will get for fighting Clottey, but similar purses he'd generate against other non-Mayweather foes. "That's a fortune in the Philippines," Arum said.

As Pacquiao prepares for Clottey, his workout regimen remains intense. His devotion to the sweet science is such that his sparring partner, Steve Forbes, describes Pacquiao as a human version of a "little Tasmanian devil."

Yet, Pacquiao's popularity gives him options to make a lucrative income outside the sport in acting, music and endorsements.

And the bitterness of the previous Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations lingers. The fighters argued over Mayweather's insistence to adopt Olympic-style drug testing before the bout. Mayweather's implications led Pacquiao to sue Mayweather for defamation.

"In my opinion, [Mayweather] wasn't ready for the fight, he needed a reason to stop it," Pacquiao said. "People say to me all the time they want to see Pacquiao-Mayweather, Mayweather-Pacquiao, whatever you want to call it, and I'm a fighter," he adds, pounding over his heart with his right fist, "I'm concerned with giving the people what they want.

"Look, if I was bigger than him, I can understand him making this big deal. He's bigger than me. We have a boxing commission in Nevada. They were fine with what we were doing [regarding testing]. The fighter doesn't get to change the rules."

On his Twitter page, Mayweather responded to a follower by asking, "Ask [Pacquiao] why he wouldn't take a $25,000,000 blood test, because I honestly don't know."

Meanwhile, Mayweather's promoter, Richard Schaefer, cast a dire tone about future contract talks.

"I've never said I believe I'll be able to get this fight done the second time," Schaefer said. "Each side feels strongly about its position, and I don't see either side giving in. It could be one of those scenarios where you just move on. Some fights just don't happen. That's the way of life."

And if Pacquiao retires from boxing?

"People wondered, 'Who's going to carry the mantle?' after Oscar retired, and Manny Pacquiao popped up," Schaefer said. "There'll always be a next great star."

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Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:This is my youngest grandchild, Maddie. It was her birthday today. My daughter gave her a party at "Pump it Up" in Chino Hills. All the kids wear me out but it was a good time. Family, you know.

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Randy, what a beautiful child!
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kikibalt wrote:CROWE'S NEST
Ex-boxer Paul Banke battles on after AIDS diagnosis

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Former boxing champion Paul Banke hangs out at his Hollywood apartment with one of his two dogs, Rosemary. (Glenn Koenig / Los Angeles Times / February 24, 2010)

The fighter says he is sober after years of drug abuse and still calls himself 'lucky' 15 years after his AIDS diagnosis.
By Jerry Crowe

March 1, 2010

Boxing took Paul Banke to more than a dozen foreign countries and, figuratively, to the top of the world.

Life took him to hell and back.

It's not been an easy ride.

Banke is a former World Boxing Council super-bantamweight champion who in 1995 became the first major U.S. boxer to publicly acknowledge that he had AIDS.

Perhaps best known for his savage bouts with Daniel Zaragoza, he vowed to become a spokesman and a symbol, promised to venture into the community to speak about living with the disease in hopes of inspiring others.

But that never happened.

Instead, Banke returned to the hard-driving, drug-abusing lifestyle that cut short his boxing career, sending him into a soul-sucking cycle of rehabilitation and relapse.

"He went from way up there," says his mother, Yolanda Miranda, "to all the way down, eating out of garbage cans."

Then he sobered up.

"I just got tired of it," Banke says, claiming that he has been drug-free for about five years. "I used to go to meetings all the time -- and then later I would use. I tried to get into a sober program -- and then later I would use. And you know what? I woke up one day and said, 'Enough.' I just quit."

As he speaks, Banke sits on a folding chair in the tiny, sparsely furnished studio apartment in Los Feliz that he shares with six uncaged parakeets and his beloved dogs: Rosemary, a Scotch terrier poodle, and BB, a cocker spaniel-Chihuahua mix.

The dogs nap atop blankets piled on the floor, but the birds chirp incessantly, every now and again flying from perch to perch at either end of the narrow apartment.

In anticipation of an upcoming fumigation, Banke says he recently dumped his bed and two old couches.

On a piece of paper taped to the back of his front door, he has written himself a note of inspiration: "It's not he who falls that fails but he who falls and fails to rise again."

He suffers from pugilistic dementia, which causes him to slur his words, but he is alert and engaging, smiling easily.

He turns 46 Monday.

"I see people on the bus and they've got problems," says Banke, who does not own a car. "They're homeless, or they've got other problems, and I think, 'Thank God, my life's all right.' I've got a little apartment. I've got dogs that love me. I'm OK."

Glancing at his dogs, he says, "They love you no matter what, you know what I'm saying? They don't care if you're good-looking or ugly. They don't care if your credit's good or bad."

Banke has been married three times, twice since he was diagnosed with AIDS, and has three adult children.

Last year, he became a grandfather.

Living alone, he notes, can be depressing at times.

"But thank God for the cable," he says. "Thank God for my cellphone. Thank God my kids can visit me."

When they do, they might hear the story of how the Azusa-reared Banke started fighting when he was 12 years old and quickly developed into one of the Southland's most talented amateurs. Traveling the world with international teams, he'd been to Russia by the time he was 16. He'd fought on national television.

Though he failed to make the star-studded 1984 U.S. Olympic boxing team, Banke as a young professional joined Bob Richardson's All-Heart Gym in Riverside, where his left-handed, no-holds-barred style embodied the gym's name.

One writer, noting Banke's ferocity and the way he carried his hands high against his jaw, called him a mini- Mike Tyson.

A Forum and Jerry Buss favorite, Banke won $100,000 in a super-bantamweight tournament in 1988 and earned a WBC title shot against Zaragoza at the Forum in 1989.

Banke knocked the champion down in the ninth round of a memorably fierce battle but lost a split decision.

Then, 10 months later, he won a rematch -- and the title -- by knockout.

He kept the title for only a few months, losing in his second defense, and fought for the last time in December 1993.

Two years later, he found out he had AIDS -- the result, Banke says, of frequent drug use or careless sexual activity.

But that didn't stop him from slamming crystal meth or abusing other drugs. Once, he says, he overdosed on cocaine, surviving only because someone dropped him at a hospital.

Rolling up the sleeve of his sweater, Banke shows a visitor the needle marks up and down his right arm.

"Five years later," he says, "the scars are still there."

Until recently, Banke sometimes sought work as a day laborer. As a boxing trainer, he had worked with cops, attorneys, dentists and other professionals at a local gym. And he had volunteered at an Inglewood church, teaching boxing to kids.

He stopped doing all that, he says, because he felt guilty leaving his dogs home alone all day with no one to take them outside. His mother cites another reason: her son's diminished stamina.

In 15 years, though, Banke says he has never been sick.

"Of course I feel lucky," he says, seeking no sympathy. "If God took me tomorrow, I'd be all right with that. . . .

"I got to experience a granddaughter, I got to see my kids get older. These kids serving in Iraq -- 19-, 20-year-old kids getting killed -- didn't get to experience that.

"I've been a world champion. I've been blessed."

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Glad to see Banke is doing ok haven't heard much about him since he found out he had Aids back in the 90s the only times I saw him fight was vs Zaragoza the first time which he lost and the second time where he stopped ZARAGOZA,he was a good action fighter from what I saw of him nice story Frank :TU:
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Randyman wrote:This is my youngest grandchild, Maddie. It was her birthday today. My daughter gave her a party at "Pump it Up" in Chino Hills. All the kids wear me out but it was a good time. Family, you know.

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Randy at the end of the day all we have is family, I assume ''Pump it up'' is like Chuck E cheese,when I go to those kind of places for my kids birthday parties I probably have more fun than the kids :TU:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:CROWE'S NEST
Ex-boxer Paul Banke battles on after AIDS diagnosis

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Former boxing champion Paul Banke hangs out at his Hollywood apartment with one of his two dogs, Rosemary. (Glenn Koenig / Los Angeles Times / February 24, 2010)

The fighter says he is sober after years of drug abuse and still calls himself 'lucky' 15 years after his AIDS diagnosis.
By Jerry Crowe

March 1, 2010

Boxing took Paul Banke to more than a dozen foreign countries and, figuratively, to the top of the world.

Life took him to hell and back.

It's not been an easy ride.

Banke is a former World Boxing Council super-bantamweight champion who in 1995 became the first major U.S. boxer to publicly acknowledge that he had AIDS.

Perhaps best known for his savage bouts with Daniel Zaragoza, he vowed to become a spokesman and a symbol, promised to venture into the community to speak about living with the disease in hopes of inspiring others.

But that never happened.

Instead, Banke returned to the hard-driving, drug-abusing lifestyle that cut short his boxing career, sending him into a soul-sucking cycle of rehabilitation and relapse.

"He went from way up there," says his mother, Yolanda Miranda, "to all the way down, eating out of garbage cans."

Then he sobered up.

"I just got tired of it," Banke says, claiming that he has been drug-free for about five years. "I used to go to meetings all the time -- and then later I would use. I tried to get into a sober program -- and then later I would use. And you know what? I woke up one day and said, 'Enough.' I just quit."

As he speaks, Banke sits on a folding chair in the tiny, sparsely furnished studio apartment in Los Feliz that he shares with six uncaged parakeets and his beloved dogs: Rosemary, a Scotch terrier poodle, and BB, a cocker spaniel-Chihuahua mix.

The dogs nap atop blankets piled on the floor, but the birds chirp incessantly, every now and again flying from perch to perch at either end of the narrow apartment.

In anticipation of an upcoming fumigation, Banke says he recently dumped his bed and two old couches.

On a piece of paper taped to the back of his front door, he has written himself a note of inspiration: "It's not he who falls that fails but he who falls and fails to rise again."

He suffers from pugilistic dementia, which causes him to slur his words, but he is alert and engaging, smiling easily.

He turns 46 Monday.

"I see people on the bus and they've got problems," says Banke, who does not own a car. "They're homeless, or they've got other problems, and I think, 'Thank God, my life's all right.' I've got a little apartment. I've got dogs that love me. I'm OK."

Glancing at his dogs, he says, "They love you no matter what, you know what I'm saying? They don't care if you're good-looking or ugly. They don't care if your credit's good or bad."

Banke has been married three times, twice since he was diagnosed with AIDS, and has three adult children.

Last year, he became a grandfather.

Living alone, he notes, can be depressing at times.

"But thank God for the cable," he says. "Thank God for my cellphone. Thank God my kids can visit me."

When they do, they might hear the story of how the Azusa-reared Banke started fighting when he was 12 years old and quickly developed into one of the Southland's most talented amateurs. Traveling the world with international teams, he'd been to Russia by the time he was 16. He'd fought on national television.

Though he failed to make the star-studded 1984 U.S. Olympic boxing team, Banke as a young professional joined Bob Richardson's All-Heart Gym in Riverside, where his left-handed, no-holds-barred style embodied the gym's name.

One writer, noting Banke's ferocity and the way he carried his hands high against his jaw, called him a mini- Mike Tyson.

A Forum and Jerry Buss favorite, Banke won $100,000 in a super-bantamweight tournament in 1988 and earned a WBC title shot against Zaragoza at the Forum in 1989.

Banke knocked the champion down in the ninth round of a memorably fierce battle but lost a split decision.

Then, 10 months later, he won a rematch -- and the title -- by knockout.

He kept the title for only a few months, losing in his second defense, and fought for the last time in December 1993.

Two years later, he found out he had AIDS -- the result, Banke says, of frequent drug use or careless sexual activity.

But that didn't stop him from slamming crystal meth or abusing other drugs. Once, he says, he overdosed on cocaine, surviving only because someone dropped him at a hospital.

Rolling up the sleeve of his sweater, Banke shows a visitor the needle marks up and down his right arm.

"Five years later," he says, "the scars are still there."

Until recently, Banke sometimes sought work as a day laborer. As a boxing trainer, he had worked with cops, attorneys, dentists and other professionals at a local gym. And he had volunteered at an Inglewood church, teaching boxing to kids.

He stopped doing all that, he says, because he felt guilty leaving his dogs home alone all day with no one to take them outside. His mother cites another reason: her son's diminished stamina.

In 15 years, though, Banke says he has never been sick.

"Of course I feel lucky," he says, seeking no sympathy. "If God took me tomorrow, I'd be all right with that. . . .

"I got to experience a granddaughter, I got to see my kids get older. These kids serving in Iraq -- 19-, 20-year-old kids getting killed -- didn't get to experience that.

"I've been a world champion. I've been blessed."

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Glad to see Banke is doing ok haven't heard much about him since he found out he had Aids back in the 90s the only times I saw him fight was vs Zaragoza the first time which he lost and the second time where he stopped ZARAGOZA,he was a good action fighter from what I saw of him nice story Frank :TU:
It is worrying that Banke has dementia at 46 but he seems to have his priorities right - the dogs come first.
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By Ted Sares:
Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete who played lacrosse, football, basketball, and even ran track at Syracuse University. He may have been the greatest lacrosse and football player ever). Of course, he went on to professional football immortality. It’s pretty difficult to argue that he was not the greatest athlete in American history. Jackie Robinson, Gene Conley, Deion Sanders, Dave DeBusschere and Bo Jackson (Bo could DO!), were pretty darn good all-around athletes as well. So were Jackie Jensen, Bob Mathias and, of course, Jim Thorpe. There were many other high-profile athletes who were multi-sports stars.

But one who flew under the radar for whatever reason was a 6'4" 230 pounds, well-muscled, strong, and fast athlete who graduated from San Diego High School in 1952. He quickly became the youngest player in the history of the National Football League. He was one of the few who made it to--let alone star in- the NFL without playing college football (which may account for his low profile). Amazingly, prior to playing football, he had signed up with the old St. Louis Browns as a power hitting outfielder and spent the summer playing Class B ball for the Stockton Ports of the California League before forsaking baseball for football..

High School

He was one of the greatest high school athletes in American sports history and was recruited by the Harlem Globetrotters for his basketball skills. When they came to town, they all but begged his parents to let them take him with them. He was the only baseball player folks can recall hitting balls out of Balboa Stadium on a consistent basis, shots that reportedly even made Hall of Famer Ted Williams take notice. He was scouted by the NFL during high school. What’s more remarkable, he accomplished this during a time when Jackie Robinson was breaking the color barrier in professional baseball. He recalled during an interview with the late Reggie Grant:

“But baseball and track were during the same season, so I’d go to the track meet, maybe put the shot a couple of times, and then change in the car and go to play baseball.… And every now then and I’d fill-in and run the relays” (Reggie Grant, “Mr. Versatility: the youngest player in NFL history,” undated, http://www.afrogolf.com/ FeatureCharliePowell.html

All in all, he won twelve varsity letters. Among other things, he ran the 100-yard dash in a blazing 9.6 seconds. He high jumped 6 feet and put the shot 57 feet 9–1/4 inches (a San Diego High School record that may still stand).

He was Southern California’s "Prep Player of the Year" in 1950-51 and named on All-America High School team.

Football

His professional football career began in 1952 when San Francisco 49er Coach Buck Shaw showed up at his home in San Diego, contract in hand. His parents had to sign the contract, and he made a whopping $10,000.00 that first year. He was a world-class athlete long before players were fairly compensated for their skills. He credited his success as a football player (and later as a boxer) to his superior conditioning. As a nineteen-year-old, his chance to play came during training camp when the starter was injured, and he made the most of it.

In his first game, he played against the then world champions, the Detroit Lions. It was a team loaded with several all-pros and future Hall of Fame players. He sacked quarterback Bobby Layne an astounding ten times – yes 10 times- for sixty-seven yards in losses. His performance was so inspirational that his teammates awarded him the game ball. It was the first time a 49er rookie was so honored. All this before the NFL kept official stats on things like sacks. He quickly became an NFL star, and a younger brother eventually would play in the AFL for the New York Jets. He and the great Joe “The Jet” Perry were the only black players on the 49ers at that time and sometimes had to stay in different hotels than their white teammates.

He played five seasons for the 49ers (1952–53 and 1955–57) and two for the Oakland Raiders (1960–61). In between, he boxed.

Boxing

He started boxing at the age of eleven or twelve. As a youngster, he would get up early before school and jog down to Archie Moore’s home. He would then train with the Mongoose, go back home, shower, eat, and go to school. He earned extra money for his family during WWII by boxing at military bases near San Diego.

He started off his boxing career with a draw against one Fred Taylor, but then reeled off ten straight knockout wins. But, as often is the case in the less-than-scrupulous world of boxing, his managers and promoters moved him too fast, and he was taken out by Charlie Norkus in 1954 in a pier six brawl in which both fighters were down. Powell, 11-0-1 at the time, was young and naive to the all-too-familiar, sleazy elements surrounding him. Norkus was 24-12 and had already beaten tough Danny Nardico twice—the first time in a thrilling cult classic involving 8 knockdowns. He was one of those exciting types. If he didn’t t get you, you would get him.

The highlight of his boxing career happened in March 1959 when he knocked out the number-two ranked boxer in the world, 6'4" Cuban Nino Valdes who was 46-16-3 coming in. Nino, who was on a 6-fight win streak, was decked three times. Another great win was a redemptive one over the rugged Norkus in a 1958 rematch.

He fought Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) in 1963 in Pittsburgh before 17,000 fans, and like so many of Ali’s other opponents, felt the sting of his insults. Ali predicted he would KO him in round three and did just that, but he earned $12,000 more than he’d ever been paid for an entire season as a pro football player. In 1964, he was paid $10,000 to fight Floyd Patterson, to whom he lost in six.

Eventually, he would finish with a record of 25-11-3 (19 KOs). Among his opponents were Norkus, Harold Carter, Patterson, Roger Rischer, Mike DeJohn, Johnny Summerlin, Roy Harris, and, of course, Ali. It was an imposing list, to say the least. He never fought an amateur fight.

Arguably, he did not reach his full potential because of that which distinguished him; namely, being a two-sport man. Going back and forth between football and boxing, he would put on weight for one and lose it for the other. Had he been able to focus on boxing, there is no telling how far he could have gone.

Yes, Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete. However, CHARLEY POWELL never served his apprenticeships. He never boxed amateur, nor did he attend college. He simply jumped from high school to professional stardom. In any discussion of who was the greatest athlete, I submit Charley Powell’s name should be included.

Known as “Mr. Versatility,” he was never really picked up by the public or the press, but I knew about him. If you are ever in San Diego, visit the Breitbart Hall of Champions and look for the Powell brothers, Art and Charlie. Art was a four-time all-star for the New York Jets in the AFL.

When I was a kid, you couldn’t get me out of a gym. Now, you can’t get kids in a gym. I wish I could think of a way to get kids in gyms instead of drifting toward guns and drugs. Burn up that energy in a gym. Boxing’s great that way.
—Charlie Powell
I was thinking about all these football players who tried boxing guys like Ed ''Too Tall'' Jones,Mark Gastinieu,Alonzo Highsmith and maybe someone else can confirm this only Charlie Powell made it to the top ten,all the other football players turned boxers were pretty much clowns,I spoke with Charlie powells brother Art who also played football I met him at a walmart he and another football player were signing autographs there and he talked to me about Charlie and what a great athlete he was. :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:One of the Best Athletes of All time May Have Been a Boxer
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By Ted Sares:
Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete who played lacrosse, football, basketball, and even ran track at Syracuse University. He may have been the greatest lacrosse and football player ever). Of course, he went on to professional football immortality. It’s pretty difficult to argue that he was not the greatest athlete in American history. Jackie Robinson, Gene Conley, Deion Sanders, Dave DeBusschere and Bo Jackson (Bo could DO!), were pretty darn good all-around athletes as well. So were Jackie Jensen, Bob Mathias and, of course, Jim Thorpe. There were many other high-profile athletes who were multi-sports stars.

But one who flew under the radar for whatever reason was a 6'4" 230 pounds, well-muscled, strong, and fast athlete who graduated from San Diego High School in 1952. He quickly became the youngest player in the history of the National Football League. He was one of the few who made it to--let alone star in- the NFL without playing college football (which may account for his low profile). Amazingly, prior to playing football, he had signed up with the old St. Louis Browns as a power hitting outfielder and spent the summer playing Class B ball for the Stockton Ports of the California League before forsaking baseball for football..

High School

He was one of the greatest high school athletes in American sports history and was recruited by the Harlem Globetrotters for his basketball skills. When they came to town, they all but begged his parents to let them take him with them. He was the only baseball player folks can recall hitting balls out of Balboa Stadium on a consistent basis, shots that reportedly even made Hall of Famer Ted Williams take notice. He was scouted by the NFL during high school. What’s more remarkable, he accomplished this during a time when Jackie Robinson was breaking the color barrier in professional baseball. He recalled during an interview with the late Reggie Grant:

“But baseball and track were during the same season, so I’d go to the track meet, maybe put the shot a couple of times, and then change in the car and go to play baseball.… And every now then and I’d fill-in and run the relays” (Reggie Grant, “Mr. Versatility: the youngest player in NFL history,” undated, http://www.afrogolf.com/ FeatureCharliePowell.html

All in all, he won twelve varsity letters. Among other things, he ran the 100-yard dash in a blazing 9.6 seconds. He high jumped 6 feet and put the shot 57 feet 9–1/4 inches (a San Diego High School record that may still stand).

He was Southern California’s "Prep Player of the Year" in 1950-51 and named on All-America High School team.

Football

His professional football career began in 1952 when San Francisco 49er Coach Buck Shaw showed up at his home in San Diego, contract in hand. His parents had to sign the contract, and he made a whopping $10,000.00 that first year. He was a world-class athlete long before players were fairly compensated for their skills. He credited his success as a football player (and later as a boxer) to his superior conditioning. As a nineteen-year-old, his chance to play came during training camp when the starter was injured, and he made the most of it.

In his first game, he played against the then world champions, the Detroit Lions. It was a team loaded with several all-pros and future Hall of Fame players. He sacked quarterback Bobby Layne an astounding ten times – yes 10 times- for sixty-seven yards in losses. His performance was so inspirational that his teammates awarded him the game ball. It was the first time a 49er rookie was so honored. All this before the NFL kept official stats on things like sacks. He quickly became an NFL star, and a younger brother eventually would play in the AFL for the New York Jets. He and the great Joe “The Jet” Perry were the only black players on the 49ers at that time and sometimes had to stay in different hotels than their white teammates.

He played five seasons for the 49ers (1952–53 and 1955–57) and two for the Oakland Raiders (1960–61). In between, he boxed.

Boxing

He started boxing at the age of eleven or twelve. As a youngster, he would get up early before school and jog down to Archie Moore’s home. He would then train with the Mongoose, go back home, shower, eat, and go to school. He earned extra money for his family during WWII by boxing at military bases near San Diego.

He started off his boxing career with a draw against one Fred Taylor, but then reeled off ten straight knockout wins. But, as often is the case in the less-than-scrupulous world of boxing, his managers and promoters moved him too fast, and he was taken out by Charlie Norkus in 1954 in a pier six brawl in which both fighters were down. Powell, 11-0-1 at the time, was young and naive to the all-too-familiar, sleazy elements surrounding him. Norkus was 24-12 and had already beaten tough Danny Nardico twice—the first time in a thrilling cult classic involving 8 knockdowns. He was one of those exciting types. If he didn’t t get you, you would get him.

The highlight of his boxing career happened in March 1959 when he knocked out the number-two ranked boxer in the world, 6'4" Cuban Nino Valdes who was 46-16-3 coming in. Nino, who was on a 6-fight win streak, was decked three times. Another great win was a redemptive one over the rugged Norkus in a 1958 rematch.

He fought Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) in 1963 in Pittsburgh before 17,000 fans, and like so many of Ali’s other opponents, felt the sting of his insults. Ali predicted he would KO him in round three and did just that, but he earned $12,000 more than he’d ever been paid for an entire season as a pro football player. In 1964, he was paid $10,000 to fight Floyd Patterson, to whom he lost in six.

Eventually, he would finish with a record of 25-11-3 (19 KOs). Among his opponents were Norkus, Harold Carter, Patterson, Roger Rischer, Mike DeJohn, Johnny Summerlin, Roy Harris, and, of course, Ali. It was an imposing list, to say the least. He never fought an amateur fight.

Arguably, he did not reach his full potential because of that which distinguished him; namely, being a two-sport man. Going back and forth between football and boxing, he would put on weight for one and lose it for the other. Had he been able to focus on boxing, there is no telling how far he could have gone.

Yes, Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete. However, CHARLEY POWELL never served his apprenticeships. He never boxed amateur, nor did he attend college. He simply jumped from high school to professional stardom. In any discussion of who was the greatest athlete, I submit Charley Powell’s name should be included.

Known as “Mr. Versatility,” he was never really picked up by the public or the press, but I knew about him. If you are ever in San Diego, visit the Breitbart Hall of Champions and look for the Powell brothers, Art and Charlie. Art was a four-time all-star for the New York Jets in the AFL.

When I was a kid, you couldn’t get me out of a gym. Now, you can’t get kids in a gym. I wish I could think of a way to get kids in gyms instead of drifting toward guns and drugs. Burn up that energy in a gym. Boxing’s great that way.
—Charlie Powell
I was thinking about all these football players who tried boxing guys like Ed ''Too Tall'' Jones,Mark Gastinieu,Alonzo Highsmith and maybe someone else can confirm this only Charlie Powell made it to the top ten,all the other football players turned boxers were pretty much clowns,I spoke with Charlie powells brother Art who also played football I met him at a walmart he and another football player were signing autographs there and he talked to me about Charlie and what a great athlete he was. :TU:
Paul
I knew the Powell brothers slightly here in San Diego. There were pillars of Southeast San Diego. If Charley would have stayed in the NFL,he would have gone to the NFL Football HOF.

The brothers could be seen together at many community functions in San Diego.
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kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:This is my youngest grandchild, Maddie. It was her birthday today. My daughter gave her a party at "Pump it Up" in Chino Hills. All the kids wear me out but it was a good time. Family, you know.

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Randy, what a beautiful child!
:TU: :TU:
I see both you and Jeri in the face of this precious little girl.
She is lucky to have the solid support of a great family.
You are a blessed man, and we are blessed to have you a part of our lives.
I mean this from from the bottom of my heart.

-Rick
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"I was a bad kid . . ."


Those are the first words in the biography of baseball legend, Babe Ruth.
I was about ten-years-old when I read that book. I loved baseball, and I loved boxing, even at that young age.

At the time, I was always the smallest kid in my class, but a pretty good athlete.
I didn't know how to box in those days, but I learned to overcome my fear of bullies by standing my ground. Sometimes I took a whipping.

When I played little league baseball, on the first day of practice the coach asked, "Who want's to be a pitcher?"
Nearly every kid on the field that day raised their hand, except me.
"Who wants to play in the infield?" Same thing, most of the hands were raised.
"Who wants to play in the outfield?" Not as many hands went up, probably less than half the group.
Finally, the coach asks, "Who wants to play catcher?" Only one hand went up, and it was mine.

I knew that the catcher touches the ball more than any other player on the field, and I wanted to play.
I also liked the fact that catching required constant thought and attention. In school my mind would wander. On the field, I was focused.
I learned to anticipate, and I wasn't afraid to protect home plate with my body. I wasn't going to allow a score if I could prevent it.

I was a Dodger fan. My favorite American League team was the N.Y. Yankees.
In those days, Johnny Roseboro was the Dodger's catcher. Yogi Berra was the Yank's man behind the plate.
Our coach took us to a batting cage with the mechanical pitching machine.
There were several levels of pitching speeds available; Little League, high school, college and professional.

I would return to the batting cage and ask the guy behind the counter if I could try catching the pitches, instead of batting.
His response was, "It's your money kid." At the time, I earned about a buck a day delivering newspapers for the L.A. Herald-Examiner. I considered this a good way to spend the money. When I told him I wanted to try a professional machine he laughed. After taking one look at my sixty pound body he said, "No way, you'll get hurt."

After watching me catch the Little League level machine, he agreed to let me try the high school level.
Damn, that hard ball hurt when it hit my glove. The speed was intimidating, and I tried to mask the fact that I was a little scared.
I will say this, after that day I never was concerned about how fast a ball came over the plate in my LL games.

I recall a day when a runner was attempting to score from third base. The kid coming my way was the biggest kid in our league, and his goal was to run thru me after an infielder had fired the ball back to me as I stood on the baseline protecting the plate. After catching the ball I crouched low waiting for him to hit me. When his body collided with mine, I was knocked back, rolling over backward several feet. I held on to the ball and the kid was called out. The last out of the last inning.
We had a one point lead, and won the game. My coach ran out to the field and picked me up, lifting me above his shoulders in victory.

The other kid was humiliated, I guess. Two days later he followed me out to the bike rack at school and kicked my ass.
The next day, I asked permission to go to the bathroom a few minutes before the final bell rang, ending the school day.
I went directly to the kid's classroom, he was a grade ahead of me, about a year older.
I waited by the class room door. When the bell rang, the kids started to pour out of the class room. I crouched low at the side of the door so he wouldn't see me. The moment I saw him step out of the door I fired the hardest right hand I could at his nose. The punch landed solid, you know the feeling, and blood was everywhere. I then pushed him to the ground and got him in a head lock type choke hold. I wanted to break his neck.

Of course, within seconds the school janitor (who was close by when the fight erupted) pulled me off the other kid.
I was generally a well-mannered, quiet kind of kid, but my language that day was something right out of the gutter.
I was scared, and I used every dirty word in my vocabulary as the janitor pulled me off the kid. Had my father known I'd used such foul language, for any reason, I'd have gotten the belt.

The janitor knew the other boy had beaten me up the day before, because he was the guy that pulled him off me. I was beaten up that day, but I didn't cry like punk. However, the next day the other boy's face was awash with blood and tears. He immediatly ran away after the janitor had freed him

The boy's teacher sent me to the principal's office. The janitor insisted on accompanying me. The school was located in Garden Grove, California, which then was pretty much white. The janitor was black. The janitor joined me in the principal's office, I refused to speak, I was still shaking, but I felt good, empowered.

The janitor told me I did the right thing, but at the wrong time, as he walked with me to the principal's office. He told me he'd tell the principal what happened the day before. He also told me with a smile that I reminded him of Rocky Graziano. I didn't know who Rocky Graziano was, but I would soon find out.

From that day on, I became fascinated with boxing, then obsessed. Our little league team went all the way to the finals before losing that year. When baseball season was over, I never again played the game on an organized team. I had a new sport in mind. Two years later, after months of trying to find a way to become a boxer, I got my wish. Thanks to an amateur heavyweight named Jerry Quarry (whose number I'd looked up in a phone book), a man named Johnny Flores helped make my dream come true.

Exactly four weeks later, I'd make my Jr. Golden Gloves debut at the Teamster Gym in L.A. Frank Baltazar made the match for me that night. I gave a pretty good account of myself, before losing to a Teamster's fighter named Armando Cordova. A year later, I would face Cordova again, and this time I kicked his ass at the Stanton A.C. which is just a few miles away from the school where I'd gotten revenge on the bully. I didn't really kick Cordova's ass, but I won a close decision, and that was enough.

I was a bad kid too, until I found my way thru boxing. To Johnny Flores, Jerry Quarry, my dad, grandfather and Frank Baltazar - :bow:


-Rick Farris
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Great post Rick....Thank for putting me in with great company....
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: Randy, what a beautiful child!
:TU: :TU:
I see both you and Jeri in the face of this precious little girl.
She is lucky to have the solid support of a great family.
You are a blessed man, and we are blessed to have you a part of our lives.
I mean this from from the bottom of my heart.

-Rick
Thanks Rick, and the rest of you guys. Maddie and all my grandkids are the apple of my eyes.

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Rick Farris wrote:"I was a bad kid . . ."


Those are the first words in the biography of baseball legend, Babe Ruth.
I was about ten-years-old when I read that book. I loved baseball, and I loved boxing, even at that young age.

At the time, I was always the smallest kid in my class, but a pretty good athlete.
I didn't know how to box in those days, but I learned to overcome my fear of bullies by standing my ground. Sometimes I took a whipping.

When I played little league baseball, on the first day of practice the coach asked, "Who want's to be a pitcher?"
Nearly every kid on the field that day raised their hand, except me.
"Who wants to play in the infield?" Same thing, most of the hands were raised.
"Who wants to play in the outfield?" Not as many hands went up, probably less than half the group.
Finally, the coach asks, "Who wants to play catcher?" Only one hand went up, and it was mine.

I knew that the catcher touches the ball more than any other player on the field, and I wanted to play.
I also liked the fact that catching required constant thought and attention. In school my mind would wander. On the field, I was focused.
I learned to anticipate, and I wasn't afraid to protect home plate with my body. I wasn't going to allow a score if I could prevent it.

I was a Dodger fan. My favorite American League team was the N.Y. Yankees.
In those days, Johnny Roseboro was the Dodger's catcher. Yogi Berra was the Yank's man behind the plate.
Our coach took us to a batting cage with the mechanical pitching machine.
There were several levels of pitching speeds available; Little League, high school, college and professional.

I would return to the batting cage and ask the guy behind the counter if I could try catching the pitches, instead of batting.
His response was, "It's your money kid." At the time, I earned about a buck a day delivering newspapers for the L.A. Herald-Examiner. I considered this a good way to spend the money. When I told him I wanted to try a professional machine he laughed. After taking one look at my sixty pound body he said, "No way, you'll get hurt."

After watching me catch the Little League level machine, he agreed to let me try the high school level.
Damn, that hard ball hurt when it hit my glove. The speed was intimidating, and I tried to mask the fact that I was a little scared.
I will say this, after that day I never was concerned about how fast a ball came over the plate in my LL games.

I recall a day when a runner was attempting to score from third base. The kid coming my way was the biggest kid in our league, and his goal was to run thru me after an infielder had fired the ball back to me as I stood on the baseline protecting the plate. After catching the ball I crouched low waiting for him to hit me. When his body collided with mine, I was knocked back, rolling over backward several feet. I held on to the ball and the kid was called out. The last out of the last inning.
We had a one point lead, and won the game. My coach ran out to the field and picked me up, lifting me above his shoulders in victory.

The other kid was humiliated, I guess. Two days later he followed me out to the bike rack at school and kicked my ass.
The next day, I asked permission to go to the bathroom a few minutes before the final bell rang, ending the school day.
I went directly to the kid's classroom, he was a grade ahead of me, about a year older.
I waited by the class room door. When the bell rang, the kids started to pour out of the class room. I crouched low at the side of the door so he wouldn't see me. The moment I saw him step out of the door I fired the hardest right hand I could at his nose. The punch landed solid, you know the feeling, and blood was everywhere. I then pushed him to the ground and got him in a head lock type choke hold. I wanted to break his neck.

Of course, within seconds the school janitor (who was close by when the fight erupted) pulled me off the other kid.
I was generally a well-mannered, quiet kind of kid, but my language that day was something right out of the gutter.
I was scared, and I used every dirty word in my vocabulary as the janitor pulled me off the kid. Had my father known I'd used such foul language, for any reason, I'd have gotten the belt.

The janitor knew the other boy had beaten me up the day before, because he was the guy that pulled him off me. I was beaten up that day, but I didn't cry like punk. However, the next day the other boy's face was awash with blood and tears. He immediatly ran away after the janitor had freed him

The boy's teacher sent me to the principal's office. The janitor insisted on accompanying me. The school was located in Garden Grove, California, which then was pretty much white. The janitor was black. The janitor joined me in the principal's office, I refused to speak, I was still shaking, but I felt good, empowered.

The janitor told me I did the right thing, but at the wrong time, as he walked with me to the principal's office. He told me he'd tell the principal what happened the day before. He also told me with a smile that I reminded him of Rocky Graziano. I didn't know who Rocky Graziano was, but I would soon find out.

From that day on, I became fascinated with boxing, then obsessed. Our little league team went all the way to the finals before losing that year. When baseball season was over, I never again played the game on an organized team. I had a new sport in mind. Two years later, after months of trying to find a way to become a boxer, I got my wish. Thanks to an amateur heavyweight named Jerry Quarry (whose number I'd looked up in a phone book), a man named Johnny Flores helped make my dream come true.

Exactly four weeks later, I'd make my Jr. Golden Gloves debut at the Teamster Gym in L.A. Frank Baltazar made the match for me that night. I gave a pretty good account of myself, before losing to a Teamster's fighter named Armando Cordova. A year later, I would face Cordova again, and this time I kicked his ass at the Stanton A.C. which is just a few miles away from the school where I'd gotten revenge on the bully. I didn't really kick Cordova's ass, but I won a close decision, and that was enough.

I was a bad kid too, until I found my way thru boxing. To Johnny Flores, Jerry Quarry, my dad, grandfather and Frank Baltazar - :bow:


-Rick Farris
That was one helluva post Rick. Outstanding!
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dagosd2000 wrote:Randy,Rick
Thanks for the compliments on my paintings. Joe Louis's face has always said more to me than other boxer. :TU:
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dagosd2000 wrote:
Randyman wrote:Back in 1993 when I was taking my son Andrew to the Brooklyn Ave Gym in Boyle Heights I met a man who said he was Alacran Torres. I bought some gloves, handwraps and a few other things from him. He took some time to show my son how to hook to the liver and a few other things. It was obvious he had experience. I talked with him almost everyday.

A few months back when we were discussing Torres someone mentioned that he returned to Mexico when he retired. I started to wonder if the guy I met was the real deal. Up until the other day, when I posted that photo of him when he was older, I thought he was Alacran, now I'm not so sure but that was 17 years ago. The man I met looked a little different but had some of the same features. Does anyone know if Torres was in California in the early 90's?

Randy :roll:
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When Gato talked to me about Torres at the WBHOF Banquet,he told me he had white hair and was missing his teeth. Gato would know for sure.
Hopefully Gato will see this and comment.
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Anyone remember Tommy Sullivan a good amateur back in the early to mid 1970s beat Michael Spinks twice in the amateurs he turned pro but only had about ten fights he has been living in Vegas about the last 30 years :witzend:
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Marilyn Monroe & "Whitey" Snyder . . .


In the early 80's, I went to work as Michael Landon's chief lighting technician on the popular NBC TV series, "Little House on the Praire."
For those of us who work in the film industry, it was the best job in town.

Mike had a lot of "old timers" working on his crew, some were highly awarded artists & technicians, legends in their own right.
One of them was Landon's make-up artist, Allan "Whitey" Snyder. Whitey was one of the legends. He had been Marilyn Monroe's personal make-up artist from the day she went under contract at 20th Century-Fox, to her last day on earth.

Whitey was also a boxing fan, and he and I became friends. Whenever we would go on location, be it to Tucson, Arizona or up in northern California, Whitey would join the crew after we wrapped for a few drinks in the bar of the hotel where we were lodged. Sitting with Whitey, he would share his life with one of the greatest screen legends in history. I sat quiet and listened.

Whitey reminisced about driving Marilyn home after a days filming at Fox. He said he had a little yellow VW, and the actress preferred riding with Whitey as opposed to a studio driver in a limo. During the years of their friendship, and professional relationship, Whitey became closer to the actress than anybody else. He would pick her up first thing in the morning, her face clean of make-up, her hair pulled back in a ponytail.

Toward the end, Whitey said Marilyn was very unhealthy, the result of drinking and sleeping pills. At times when he would help her into his car, early in the morning, she was nearly comotose. As they drove from her Brentwood home to the studio, the actress would be sleeping in the passenger seat. After passing thru the studio gates, Whitey would park in his spot next to the stage and help her step up into the make-up trailer. She would sit down in his chair and doze as he applied her make-up, after her hairstylist had done her hair.

As he told us this story, he pulled a gold cigarette lighter out of his pocket, it had been given to him by Marilyn a couple of years before her death. Engraved on the lighter was the following . . .

"Whitey, Do it while I'm still warm. -Marilyn".

Whitey told us that the actress was certain she would die before her time. She made her make-up atist promise that he would do her make-up for her funeral. The lighter was a reminder. A couple years later he drove her home from the studio. When Whitey pulled his VW up into the driveway of the actresses Brentwood home, several men appeared out of nowhere. The men were Secret Service agents, Robert Kennedy was waiting inside for her. The agents escorted the actress from the car, Whitey drove away.

A few days later, Marilyn Monroe was dead.

As promised, Whitey drove to the mortuary of Westwood Memorial Park, along with the actresses wardrobe lady. They both were so shaken by the job they would have to do, they shared a bottle of scotch as they drove to prepare Marilyn for her funeral. Shortly afterwards, Whitey and the costumer would get married. Whitey told us that when his wife first saw the actresses body, she was startled. There had been an autopsy, and her once curvacious figure was no more.

Marilyn's breasts had been removed during the medical examiner's procedure. "Marilyn would be humiliated, she has no bosom," the wardrobe lady said. To create the appearance of a bust to fill her dress, the lady and Whitey went into the waiting room of the mortuary, where they found a couple of pillows on a sofa. They tore open the pillows and removed the stuffing, which they used to fill her bra.

Well into the bottle of scotch, Whitey applied make-up to Marilyn Monroe for the last time. After finishing his commitment to the actress, he and his future wife shared the last cigarette in his pack. He lit the cigarette with the gold lighter he had just shown to us at the table. After finishing the cigarette, the two kissed Marilyn good bye, and left.

Today, if you pick-up any one of the hundreds of books you'll find on the life of Marilyn Monroe, look in the index and you'll see reference to the name, Allan "Whitey" Snyder. Another Hollywood legend I had the pleasure of crossing paths with during the past three decades.

Today, Whitey Snyder is gone. God rest his soul. And of course, God bless Marilyn Monroe.
This is a true Hollywood story.


-Rick Farris
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Bobby Espinosa dies at 60; keyboardist for '70s Latin soul band El Chicano

El Chicano's sound blended funk, jazz, rock and R & B. The East L.A. group had top-40 hits in the '70s with 'Viva Tirado' and 'Tell Her She's Lovely.'

Bobby Espinosa, second from left, played keyboard for El Chicano. The East L.A. band had top-40 hits in the 1970s with "Viva Tirado" and "Tell Her She's Lovely." "El Chicano hit a groove that defined 'Latin soul' on the West Coast," said guitarist and producer Ry Cooder.

By Claire Noland

March 1, 2010

Bobby Espinosa, a keyboard player who helped create the confluence of jazz, R&B and rock sounds for El Chicano, the East L.A. band that had top-40 hits in the 1970s with "Viva Tirado" and "Tell Her She's Lovely," has died. He was 60.

Espinosa died Saturday night at White Memorial Hospital in Boyle Heights after a long illness, said the band's manager, Freddie Sanchez.

Along with other local Latino bands War and Tierra, El Chicano played a funky, jazzy mix of R&B and pop music tinged with salsa. An offshoot of an East L.A. cover band called the VIPs, El Chicano quickly gained a following in 1970 with “Viva Tirado, Part I,” a riff on a jazz recording by Gerald Wilson.

Ry Cooder, a Los Angeles guitarist and producer who has been instrumental in bringing his eclectic tastes and appreciation for world music to mainstream audiences, was a fan.

"El Chicano hit a groove that defined 'Latin soul' on the West Coast," Cooder told The Times on Monday. "Their Wes Montgomery-flavored bolero styling of 'Sabor A Mi' was a unique creation. 'Viva Tirado' was your soundtrack cruising song through the night streets of East L.A. The organ riff, once heard, is never forgotten."

And while the band's name suggested the players were plugged into the rising social and political activism of Latinos in Los Angeles, the members backed away from any leadership role in the movement.

"We were just a bunch of musicians playing bars and trying to make a living," Espinosa said in a 1998 Times interview.

"Viva Tirado," an instrumental, peaked at No. 28 on the Billboard pop singles chart. El Chicano had a minor hit with a cover of Van Morrison's "Brown Eyed Girl" in 1972. Then in 1973 the group made the top 40 again with “Tell Her She’s Lovely.” The band recorded seven albums, maintained a loyal following and enjoyed newfound attention in the 1990s after rapper Kid Frost sampled "Viva Tirado" for his "La Raza."

Espinosa was born April 29, 1949, in Los Angeles and raised by music-loving parents.

"There was always music around the house, so I was exposed to it very young," he said in the 1998 interview. "Salsa was part of growing up, part of the environment."

As a teenager he played organ in a surf band called Mickey and the Invaders before helping to form the VIPs, which morphed into El Chicano.

Survivors include his daughter Reyna Espinosa, son Bobby Jr., brother Henry, sister Sheila Burns and six grandchildren.

A memorial service is planned for 1 p.m. March 20 at St. Alphonsus Catholic Church, 532 S. Atlantic Blvd., East Los Angeles.

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Times staff writer Randy Lewis contributed to this report.
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Frank do you remember the group Malo it was a latin pop group who had big hit in about 1972 called ''Suavacito'' which still is one of my favorite songs the leader of the group was Carlos Santana's brother Jorge :TU:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank do you remember the group Malo it was a latin pop group who had big hit in about 1972 called ''Suavacito'' which still is one of my favorite songs the leader of the group was Carlos Santana's brother Jorge :TU:
Yes, I remember Malo and "Suavacito"
And here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDX_SZorg8
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