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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 00:51
by Wildhawke11
scartissue wrote:
Randyman wrote:Thanks guys. my mother has finally realized that she can't live alone anymore, nor can she be making the long drives from the high desert anymore. She'll be putting the house for sale. I'm glad. I worry about her a lot. Again, thanks for you concern.

Randy
Randy, it's always a rough decision to make. I had to make the decision for my Dad back in 2004. I can assure you he wouldn't be knocking about today if he was living alone, so the decision is sound. I'm glad she's feling better, dude.


Randy
Hope your Mum is still ok and making new friends at the home.Just as you and many
others come here to enjoy a chat with people they can relate to i am sure your mum will

feel the same way.

We have a care home just up thecroad from where i live.in fact my wife worked there before She retired also know other people who were employed there and all spoke wellof the.
home.
Randy like any move it could take a little time for Mum to adjust to certain changes but it will happen.Main thing is to remember is that if your mum asks you to get her a ribbon or something which seems trivially to us like a hairbrush put yourself out to get it. my wife often did aittle shopping fpr the oldens durining her lunch break
All the best to mum and you Randy
Danny



Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 08:58
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:An Olympic Auditorium memory . . .

It was voted the Olympic's "Action Fight of the Year". 1967.
I'll never forget this night in June. My boxing idol was in the main event.
Billed as a featherweight title elimination bout, Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins vs. Bobby Valdez.
I watched Bobby Valdez right from the begining, he fought many times at the Olympic.
He had been in the Navy, fought out of San Diego, beat some top featherweights of the era.

Both Hawkins and Valdez were worthy title challengers, but mature as contenders, time was slipping away.
I knew Hawkins, watched him up close in the gym, in exhibitions and, of course, the ring.
Hawkins was a Henry Armstrong-like fighter, devistating body puncher, a finisher.
Valdez could bang too, and had solid boxing skills.
Bobby was a true fighter, "had balls", as Johnny Flores would later comment.

They went toe-to-toe at the opening bell, Hawkins catches a right and hits the deck, more off balance than hurt.
It was ruled a knockdown. From that point on, both men rocked each other.
In the end, Hawkins laid into Valdez and the San Diego fighter reeled in the tenth round.
The final bell rings. The verdict, a draw. I thought it was a good call.
I was a Hawkins fan, he was part of the Flores stable, but Valdez held his own. A draw was fair.
Wes Wambold, Bobby Valdez's manager, told Aileen Eaton "No way", when offered a rematch.
Hawkins didn't need Valdez again, either. Both had done enough damage to each other, time to move on.

The fight was voted "Action Fight of the Year" thru fan's sending post cards to the Olympic.
I sent in ten post cards for the Hawkins-Valdez bout, and others must have also, because it got the votes and the honor.
During the Xmas break when the Olympic was dark one thursday, KTLA Channel-5 replayed the Hawkins-Valdez match.
I was able to watch it live from ringside, and then six months later, on TV. I wish I could find that film.
This is one of my all-time favorite L.A. fights, like the Teran-Cadilli six rounder was for Frank.


-Rick Farris
Great post Rick.... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 09:20
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Ricardo "Guapo" Varela

Image
You guys remember Ricardo?, he fought at the
Olympic a few times in the 1970s, maybe into
the early 1980s
I don't remember him.

-Rick
Frank I remember him well I saw him fight many times in the 1980s,as most of us know on here the 50s and 60s was your time for boxing so to speak mine was the 1980s I hardly ever missed a fight in those days however in the last 10 years don't watch many fights I guess I became an old fart at a young age :lol:
Paulino....I follow boxing since the mid-'40's to the late '80's, my two all time favorites were Enrique Bolanos and Keeny Teran, why? maybe because I knew them personally, other than them two, I was no fan of any other fighter. I started losing interest in boxing in the early '90's and don't much follow boxing anymore, for me boxing is pretty much dead. I do some work with the CBHOF and that about all my involvement in boxing now days.
As time goes by, we all become old "FARTS".... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 09:23
by kikibalt
BoxBuzz wrote:I know I don't add much to this great conversation on this thread, but thought I'd chime in today. My 9 year old daughter who is quite the swimmer went to Rochester New York Northeast championships and claimed the gold medal in her age group for the 50 yard butterfly, and when she was asked to compete with 12 and 13 year olds, she agreed. And came back with third place in the 100 yard back stroke and placed second in the 50 yard freestyle, this against the "big girls". LOL.

Yeah I'm a proud papa!

We took in a quick view of Niagra Falls as well. On our way back I treated my family to Graziano's and the International Boxing Hall of fame. I took a few pic's while I was there, and I'll try posting them sometime soon. Sadly no talent in the house that day.

Here's why I chimed in. I think I've heard some knocks on the IBHOF from some folks here and I just wanted an update as what the concern was. The fella (I'm spacin' on the name for the moment) kept the place open well past closing time for me and my daughter and wife, and really allowed us to drink the place in and answered all our questions...maybe he was just having a good day! I got pics of a lot of the fist casts and was pretty impressed with Carnera's exhibit, but couldn't find Liston's on this day.

He even took me downstairs and allowed me to flip through some real treasured files! It was a great time and my daughter seemed genuinely impressed with the sport for the first time. I may go back on a document hunt sometime in the future since he offered to let me peruse the formidable newspaper clippings next time 'round.

So can you give me the "critique" of the organization? I do remember conversations here about the place. But I haven't hit the "search" button yet to dig up your various comments.
Rob....Congrats to your daughter.... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 14:40
by THEHAMMER321
Hi good morning everyone Roger has been missing for a week or more, now haven't seen Bennie on here in the last 5 or six days hope he is ok also :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 17:38
by THEHAMMER321
Just got through reading a story about Curtis ''Hatchetman'' Shepard by Wildhawke11 I have known a little about him before that story like he was the Earnie Shavers of his day and that he went to prison but not much else until now great story on page 600, also who saw Ray ''windmill'' fight I always read that he was a clown in the ring anyway a lot of great stories on this thread :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 18:26
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Just got through reading a story about Curtis ''Hatchetman'' Shepard by Wildhawke11 I have known a little about him before that story like he was the Earnie Shavers of his day and that he went to prison but not much else until now great story on page 600, also who saw Ray ''windmill'' fight I always read that he was a clown in the ring anyway a lot of great stories on this thread :TU:
Paulino, I seen White fight a few times, he was a clown, always good for a laught....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 18:49
by THEHAMMER321
Frank one day I posted that I liked old westerns and you gave me a link with all the old western actors could you please post that again :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 19:00
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank one day I posted that I liked old westerns and you gave me a link with all the old western actors could you please post that again :bow:
Here is one Paul, there are more out in cyber-land

http://www.b-westerns.com/

You can buy the old western movies here....

http://www.oldies.com/format-view/movies.html

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 23:05
by Wildhawke11
Rick Farris wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I know I don't add much to this great conversation on this thread, but thought I'd chime in today. My 9 year old daughter who is quite the swimmer went to Rochester New York Northeast championships and claimed the gold medal in her age group for the 50 yard butterfly, and when she was asked to compete with 12 and 13 year olds, she agreed. And came back with third place in the 100 yard back stroke and placed second in the 50 yard freestyle, this against the "big girls". LOL.

Yeah I'm a proud papa!

We took in a quick view of Niagra Falls as well. On our way back I treated my family to Graziano's and the International Boxing Hall of fame. I took a few pic's while I was there, and I'll try posting them sometime soon. Sadly no talent in the house that day.

Here's why I chimed in. I think I've heard some knocks on the IBHOF from some folks here and I just wanted an update as what the concern was. The fella (I'm spacin' on the name for the moment) kept the place open well past closing time for me and my daughter and wife, and really allowed us to drink the place in and answered all our questions...maybe he was just having a good day! I got pics of a lot of the fist casts and was pretty impressed with Carnera's exhibit, but couldn't find Liston's on this day.

He even took me downstairs and allowed me to flip through some real treasured files! It was a great time and my daughter seemed genuinely impressed with the sport for the first time. I may go back on a document hunt sometime in the future since he offered to let me peruse the formidable newspaper clippings next time 'round.

So can you give me the "critique" of the organization? I do remember conversations here about the place. But I haven't hit the "search" button yet to dig up your various comments.

Rob . . I have been with the WBHOF for three years. I have never visited the IBHOF, but have heard positive things from those who have.
Former lightweight champ, Mando Ramos, would take his wife Sylvia to their annual induction ceremony.
He asked me to join them a few years back, but my schedule prevented it.
The fact is, they are the only legit Hall of Fame I know of.
They have a museum, and that is a "Hall" of Fame.



Congratulations to your daughter Buzz from a guy who can hardly swim at all,and the little bit i can do my youngest son taught me when he was still at school. in regards to the IBHOF ihave heard only POSTIVE things said about the place.i know a few guys who meet up beforehand and make a day out of it together


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 03:02
by Rick Farris
Wildhawke11 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I know I don't add much to this great conversation on this thread, but thought I'd chime in today. My 9 year old daughter who is quite the swimmer went to Rochester New York Northeast championships and claimed the gold medal in her age group for the 50 yard butterfly, and when she was asked to compete with 12 and 13 year olds, she agreed. And came back with third place in the 100 yard back stroke and placed second in the 50 yard freestyle, this against the "big girls". LOL.

Yeah I'm a proud papa!

We took in a quick view of Niagra Falls as well. On our way back I treated my family to Graziano's and the International Boxing Hall of fame. I took a few pic's while I was there, and I'll try posting them sometime soon. Sadly no talent in the house that day.

Here's why I chimed in. I think I've heard some knocks on the IBHOF from some folks here and I just wanted an update as what the concern was. The fella (I'm spacin' on the name for the moment) kept the place open well past closing time for me and my daughter and wife, and really allowed us to drink the place in and answered all our questions...maybe he was just having a good day! I got pics of a lot of the fist casts and was pretty impressed with Carnera's exhibit, but couldn't find Liston's on this day.

He even took me downstairs and allowed me to flip through some real treasured files! It was a great time and my daughter seemed genuinely impressed with the sport for the first time. I may go back on a document hunt sometime in the future since he offered to let me peruse the formidable newspaper clippings next time 'round.

So can you give me the "critique" of the organization? I do remember conversations here about the place. But I haven't hit the "search" button yet to dig up your various comments.

Rob . . I have been with the WBHOF for three years. I have never visited the IBHOF, but have heard positive things from those who have.
Former lightweight champ, Mando Ramos, would take his wife Sylvia to their annual induction ceremony.
He asked me to join them a few years back, but my schedule prevented it.
The fact is, they are the only legit Hall of Fame I know of.
They have a museum, and that is a "Hall" of Fame.



Congratulations to your daughter Buzz from a guy who can hardly swim at all,and the little bit i can do my youngest son taught me when he was still at school. in regards to the IBHOF ihave heard only POSTIVE things said about the place.i know a few guys who meet up beforehand and make a day out of it together


-Rick Farris

I didn't write the above post?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 03:03
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I know I don't add much to this great conversation on this thread, but thought I'd chime in today. My 9 year old daughter who is quite the swimmer went to Rochester New York Northeast championships and claimed the gold medal in her age group for the 50 yard butterfly, and when she was asked to compete with 12 and 13 year olds, she agreed. And came back with third place in the 100 yard back stroke and placed second in the 50 yard freestyle, this against the "big girls". LOL.

Yeah I'm a proud papa!

We took in a quick view of Niagra Falls as well. On our way back I treated my family to Graziano's and the International Boxing Hall of fame. I took a few pic's while I was there, and I'll try posting them sometime soon. Sadly no talent in the house that day.

Here's why I chimed in. I think I've heard some knocks on the IBHOF from some folks here and I just wanted an update as what the concern was. The fella (I'm spacin' on the name for the moment) kept the place open well past closing time for me and my daughter and wife, and really allowed us to drink the place in and answered all our questions...maybe he was just having a good day! I got pics of a lot of the fist casts and was pretty impressed with Carnera's exhibit, but couldn't find Liston's on this day.

He even took me downstairs and allowed me to flip through some real treasured files! It was a great time and my daughter seemed genuinely impressed with the sport for the first time. I may go back on a document hunt sometime in the future since he offered to let me peruse the formidable newspaper clippings next time 'round.

So can you give me the "critique" of the organization? I do remember conversations here about the place. But I haven't hit the "search" button yet to dig up your various comments.
Rob....Congrats to your daughter.... :TU:

:TU: Ditto, Rob. Congratulations!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 11:22
by Chuck1052
I found that Tony Chavez and Ritchie Fontaine had quite a series of bouts. They are as follows:

June 20, 1935- Ritchie Fontaine W-10 Tony Chavez, Missoula, Montana
Sept. 11, 1935- Tony Chavez W-8 Ritchie Fontaine, San Francisco, California
Oct. 2, 1935- Ritchie Fontaine W-10 Tony Chavez, Missoula, Montana
Oct. 30, 1935- Tony Chavez W-10 Ritchie Fontaine, San Francisco, California
Dec. 17, 1937- Ritchie Fontaine W-10 Tony Chavez, Hollywood, California
Jan. 13, 1939- Ritchie Fontaine W-10 Tony Chavez, Hollywood, California
April 14, 1939- Tony Chavez W-10 Ritchie Fontaine, Hollywood, California


Fontaine, whose hometown was Missoula, had alot of bouts in California, particularly in the latter part of his career. Chavez, whose listed birthplace is Albuquerque, New Mexico, was based in California during most of his career.

- Chuck Johnston

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 14:49
by Randyman
Three Contractors...

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House in D.C.; one from New Jersey, another from Tennessee and the third, from Florida. They go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Florida contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well", he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The New Jersey contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."

The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"

The New Jersey contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."

"Done!" replies the government official.

And that friends, is how it all works! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 15:25
by kikibalt
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 16:02
by kikibalt
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 17:24
by BoxBuzz
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:I know I don't add much to this great conversation on this thread, but thought I'd chime in today. My 9 year old daughter who is quite the swimmer went to Rochester New York Northeast championships and claimed the gold medal in her age group for the 50 yard butterfly, and when she was asked to compete with 12 and 13 year olds, she agreed. And came back with third place in the 100 yard back stroke and placed second in the 50 yard freestyle, this against the "big girls". LOL.

Yeah I'm a proud papa!

We took in a quick view of Niagra Falls as well. On our way back I treated my family to Graziano's and the International Boxing Hall of fame. I took a few pic's while I was there, and I'll try posting them sometime soon. Sadly no talent in the house that day.

Here's why I chimed in. I think I've heard some knocks on the IBHOF from some folks here and I just wanted an update as what the concern was. The fella (I'm spacin' on the name for the moment) kept the place open well past closing time for me and my daughter and wife, and really allowed us to drink the place in and answered all our questions...maybe he was just having a good day! I got pics of a lot of the fist casts and was pretty impressed with Carnera's exhibit, but couldn't find Liston's on this day.

He even took me downstairs and allowed me to flip through some real treasured files! It was a great time and my daughter seemed genuinely impressed with the sport for the first time. I may go back on a document hunt sometime in the future since he offered to let me peruse the formidable newspaper clippings next time 'round.

So can you give me the "critique" of the organization? I do remember conversations here about the place. But I haven't hit the "search" button yet to dig up your various comments.
Rob....Congrats to your daughter.... :TU:

:TU: Ditto, Rob. Congratulations!

Thanks folks!

I'm still haunting this thread routinely. I'm not sure if I've appreciated it more for the music, the food, the people, or the great boxing info that comes down the pike, but it's all first class! And I appreciate it that this great niche of boxing history and conversation is preserved here.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 17:30
by kikibalt
Rob...We have a little bit of everything here...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 18:36
by THEHAMMER321
Randyman wrote:Three Contractors...

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House in D.C.; one from New Jersey, another from Tennessee and the third, from Florida. They go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Florida contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well", he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The New Jersey contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."

The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"

The New Jersey contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."

"Done!" replies the government official.

And that friends, is how it all works! :lol: :lol: :lol:
:OhYes: :TU: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 18:55
by Expug
You dont see this every day.
I enjoy mma. Its a combat sport and I find most of them interesting. Of course boxing is an addiction to me and always will be.
I was watching an mma fight the other night and the two fighters threw right hands at the same time.
One guys right hand got there a second before the other guy. However, the second punch that landed took the first guy out of there. Knocked out. In other words, the fighter who beat the other fighter to the punch was knocked out. Almost always,the guy who gets there first in that scenario does the damage. We've all seen this many times.
Does this tell us something about mma fighters punches? mma fighters chins? I dont know. But again, I found it odd.
You dont see it every day.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 19:39
by kikibalt
A Hard-Bitten Place Named After Jim

L.A. Then and Now /Cecilia Rasmussen
latimes

It owes its name to a saloonkeeper and never has offered its residents a whole lot more than hard work and a hard time. But the tiny tract called Jimtown in the Whittier area is not only one of Los Angeles County's oldest continuously inhabited communities, but also the most enduring legacy of California's last Mexican governor, Pio Pico.

It began in the mid-19th century as a primitive labor camp for Native Americans on the banks of the San Gabriel River, where a scattering of thatched huts, playing children and drying fish created a postcard scene of life in Old California.

In the 1860s, the site became part of the former governor's 9,000-acre spread, formally known as Rancho Paso de Bartolo Viejo and informally as El Ranchito or Picoville. Soon the Native Americans were joined by poor Mexican immigrants, and the camp was on its way to becoming a rough-and-tumble town of mud and wood hovels for those at the bottom of the farm labor pool.

Pico built a chapel north of his mansion, and soon an adobe saloon went up not far away. The patron fed, sheltered and gave work to the willing, while questionable characters hid out in the dense growth of vines and cottonwoods along the riverbank. It was a lively place where horse races, cockfights and dances were the usual entertainment. Fights were frequent, and the community soon attracted the attention of the new American authorities in nearby Los Angeles.

In those days, the city's Anglo elite forced its will on minorities through the Monte Boys, Texas and Tennessee squatters from the "island" of El Monte, who were allowed to deliver vigilante "justice" to the region's Indians, Chinese and Mexican Americans.

Meting out their punishment at the end of a rope, the Monte Boys hung a shoe thief from a tree near the riverbank in Picoville.

In September 1883, Ranulfo, one of Pico's two sons by his mistress, Felicia Romero, was shot and killed over a young girl at a dance in the saloon.

Less than a decade later, Pico became a victim of a real estate scam and lost his storied ranch. A local political heavyweight named Jim Harvey stepped in and bought a 22-acre slice of the property bounded by the San Gabriel River, Whittier and Beverly boulevards and a natural cliff formation to the east near Whittier.

Harvey was a constant source of scandal to the strait-laced Quakers who had settled next door in Whittier. But, by the turn of the century, he had subdivided his land as more Mexican families trekked north in hopes of nurturing their version of the American dream.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 19:54
by kikibalt
Connie grew up in Jimtown...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Mar 2010, 01:51
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:Three Contractors...

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House in D.C.; one from New Jersey, another from Tennessee and the third, from Florida. They go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Florida contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well", he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."

The New Jersey contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."

The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"

The New Jersey contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."

"Done!" replies the government official.

And that friends, is how it all works! :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Mar 2010, 04:06
by telboy66
Rick we have the same arrangement over here but the politician usually takes a bigger slice

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Mar 2010, 10:08
by scartissue
Expug wrote:You dont see this every day.
I enjoy mma. Its a combat sport and I find most of them interesting. Of course boxing is an addiction to me and always will be.
I was watching an mma fight the other night and the two fighters threw right hands at the same time.
One guys right hand got there a second before the other guy. However, the second punch that landed took the first guy out of there. Knocked out. In other words, the fighter who beat the other fighter to the punch was knocked out. Almost always,the guy who gets there first in that scenario does the damage. We've all seen this many times.
Does this tell us something about mma fighters punches? mma fighters chins? I dont know. But again, I found it odd.
You dont see it every day.
Brian, I was over the other day seeing my Pops and found him watching an MMA match. He'll watch anything pitting two combatants against one another, even though he hates the sport. Anyway, one dude was on top of the other with the guy on the bottom with his legs locked around the other dude's torso. Very missionary position-ish. My Dad turns to me shaking his head and says very stoically, "This just doesn't look right!" I laughed my tail off.

Scartissue