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Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 10:23
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
This is the surprise I mentioned earlier, a beautiful
painting done by diego of Tony (L) and Frankie,
he presented it to us during the "Father and Son" luncheon
He painted one of Art Aragon that was raffle off
Thanks again diego for your kindness
That painting is beautiful! I mean beautiful. What a great work of art, and a kind gift from a true friend. Dago, you got class and a helluva lot of talent!
-Rick Farris
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 10:28
by kikibalt
Jesus Pimental
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 10:34
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:kikibalt wrote:
This is the surprise I mentioned earlier, a beautiful
painting done by diego of Tony (L) and Frankie,
he presented it to us during the "Father and Son" luncheon
He painted one of Art Aragon that was raffle off
Thanks again diego for your kindness
That painting is beautiful! I mean beautiful. What a great work of art, and a kind gift from a true friend. Dago, you got class and a helluva lot of talent!
-Rick Farris
Rick,
The painting is BEAUTIFUL, and diego having class?
Let me ask, why would a man you never met face to face do somrthing like that?, in one word "CLASS" the man has class, no doubt about that.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 10:42
by kikibalt
Father and Son luncheon
Steven's Steakhouse
Commerce, Calif.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 10:46
by kikibalt
Three great warriors
Jesus Pimental, Ray Mancini and Frankie Baltazar
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:08
by Expug
Rick Farris wrote:kikibalt wrote:
This is the surprise I mentioned earlier, a beautiful
painting done by diego of Tony (L) and Frankie,
he presented it to us during the "Father and Son" luncheon
He painted one of Art Aragon that was raffle off
Thanks again diego for your kindness
That painting is beautiful! I mean beautiful. What a great work of art, and a kind gift from a true friend. Dago, you got class and a helluva lot of talent!
-Rick Farris
I agree .
What a wonderful gift!
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:10
by kikibalt
Roger(diego) and Maria
Two great people
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:15
by kikibalt
Lover boy, Don Fraser and his two girlfriends.
Don with another one of his girls
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:30
by scartissue
kikibalt wrote:
Lover boy, Don Fraser and his two girlfriends.
Don with another one of his girls
Isn't that Trudie Latka on Don's right? Met her a couple of times, very nice lady. She undoubtedly had her hands full with George as he got older. There were times I met up with them when he'd be a bit confused or ornery, but she always had him dressed up for every occasion and took everything in stride. God bless her.
Scartissue
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:39
by scartissue
Checked out youtube a little while ago and they've added in a number of Jose Napoles fights I haven't seen and haven't seen in awhile. Watched a grainy version of his fight with Horacio Saldano, a very good version of his fight with Ralph Charles and an excellent version of his second fight with Billy Backus. I saw the Backus fight 37 years ago and never again until now. Great nostalgia, right down to Tom Harmon interviewing Joey Bishop ringside. In every fight Napoles has this patient, almost bored composure and doesn't turn it on until he wants to or is pissed off. The Charles fight displays that. When Charles tags him with a good right, you see the fire starting and I think everyone thought, "Oops, hey Ralph, bad career move!" Bennie, was Charles noted for his power? The announcer alluded to as much. Again, great nostalgia.
Scartissue
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 11:52
by scartissue
Once again talking about Youtube, they have a very good version of the 8th round of the 1st Ruben Olivares-Rafael herrera fight. What is remarkable about this is how apparent Ruben's weight making problem was here. He is so weak, and fighting such a physically strong fighter in Herrera was such a bad move. He pushed Ruben all over the ring. Herrera could box and punch, but I'm sure after the first round he felt the resistance and said I'm going for it. You know, I have this fight, I've replayed it time and again and did the same while watching it on Youtube and to this day, I still cannot see the KO blow. I see Herrera miss a whistling right while Ruben backs into a corner, Ruben connects with a great right hand and Herrera misses a left hook counter because Ruben, who looks like he ducked under it is actually going down. Perhaps that right hand, which looks like it missed does tag him slightly and is a delayed reaction. Tell me what you guys think.
Scartissue
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 12:09
by kikibalt
scartissue wrote:kikibalt wrote:
Lover boy, Don Fraser and his two girlfriends.
Don with another one of his girls
Isn't that Trudie Latka on Don's right? Met her a couple of times, very nice lady. She undoubtedly had her hands full with George as he got older. There were times I met up with them when he'd be a bit confused or ornery, but she always had him dressed up for every occasion and took everything in stride. God bless her.
Scartissue
Yes it is.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 12:26
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:kikibalt wrote:
diego and Mando Muniz
We met at the "father and Son" luncheon today and I shot
this photo of diego and Mando, have more to post
later on, and also a big surprise that we received
from diego.
Looks kinda like Marciano, or somebody else who upended the "Brown Bomber".
Sorry I missed the lunch!
Gwen Adair called, she had an allergy attack and had to stay home. How was it guys?????
-Rick
Rick
The only thing I upend nowadays is a bowl of spaghetti
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 12:41
by dagosd2000
Thanks for all your praises about my painting. I'm gonna' be honest with you guys,you have more of an eye for it than the quote"experts". I really mean that. I always ask my kids in my classroom after I paint one,if they like it.
Hey Bennie. I tapped Mancini's stomach after a picture. It felt like concrete.
It's funny. I don't go to church that much anymore. Some guy in the parking lot this morning was trying ti hand me something about religion before going to the gym. My take is you can find religion just about anywhere. Like at Stevens Steak House on a Saturday morning in April.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 13:30
by Expug
Boxingnut wrote:Expug wrote:KiKi and Boxingnut , Thanks , I appreciate that.
Every day something gets broken in the house by my wife not seeing it.Dishes knocked over, wine glass knocked off the counter etc.
Well we had laugh a couple years back.
Alot of people dont realize that hotel millionaire and Vegas celebrity Steve Wynn is blind. He has the same disease as my wife and son.
Any way at an art auction he accidently put his elbow through a 136 million dollar painting.
I told my wife, thats a little worse than knocking the wine glass off the table.
I remember that incident with Steve Wynn but I didn't know he was blind. I read up a little about this disease, is it correct that there is no full cure? Man that is really tough, my heart goes to out to you.
No cure yet.
We hope someday.
But thank you sir.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 13:37
by bennie
scartissue wrote:Checked out youtube a little while ago and they've added in a number of Jose Napoles fights I haven't seen and haven't seen in awhile. Watched a grainy version of his fight with Horacio Saldano, a very good version of his fight with Ralph Charles and an excellent version of his second fight with Billy Backus. I saw the Backus fight 37 years ago and never again until now. Great nostalgia, right down to Tom Harmon interviewing Joey Bishop ringside. In every fight Napoles has this patient, almost bored composure and doesn't turn it on until he wants to or is pissed off. The Charles fight displays that. When Charles tags him with a good right, you see the fire starting and I think everyone thought, "Oops, hey Ralph, bad career move!" Bennie, was Charles noted for his power? The announcer alluded to as much. Again, great nostalgia.
Scartissue
Ralph had power but he wasn't expected to beat Napoles and probably did as well as anyone could expect, tagging and surprising Napoles with good clean blows up to the spectacular Napoles finish.
Interestingly, Napoles sparred a certain John H. Stracey while in London for the fight.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 14:02
by scartissue
bennie wrote:scartissue wrote:Checked out youtube a little while ago and they've added in a number of Jose Napoles fights I haven't seen and haven't seen in awhile. Watched a grainy version of his fight with Horacio Saldano, a very good version of his fight with Ralph Charles and an excellent version of his second fight with Billy Backus. I saw the Backus fight 37 years ago and never again until now. Great nostalgia, right down to Tom Harmon interviewing Joey Bishop ringside. In every fight Napoles has this patient, almost bored composure and doesn't turn it on until he wants to or is pissed off. The Charles fight displays that. When Charles tags him with a good right, you see the fire starting and I think everyone thought, "Oops, hey Ralph, bad career move!" Bennie, was Charles noted for his power? The announcer alluded to as much. Again, great nostalgia.
Scartissue
Ralph had power but he wasn't expected to beat Napoles and probably did as well as anyone could expect, tagging and surprising Napoles with good clean blows up to the spectacular Napoles finish.
Interestingly, Napoles sparred a certain John H. Stracey while in London for the fight.
Y'know, not to take anything away from Stracey, but his greatest wins, Napoles, Lewis, Lopez and Menetrey were all in their final bout. I was a much bigger fan of Boy Green's. Of course, he had a fast burn-out style but I thought he was damn good and I thought he was leading slightly in the Palomino fight, having rocked Carlos in the 10th (alright, maybe stung Carlos). But that left hook Carlos landed on Green was a career turner, because it really softened Green up. The Leonard left hook that also took him out, was icing on the cake, Green's once formidible jaw was no more. But he was one exciting fighter and I heard the fight between Stracey and he was one wild fight. By any chance did you see it, Bennie?
Scartissue
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 14:15
by Rick Farris
OLIVARES & HERRERA . . .
Olivares is truly one of my three favorite boxers of all-time. Scar, I've watched that fight many times and it was not Ruben's night. For what ever reason, usually due to his partying, occasionally the great Olivares had a bad night, and on this night, I believe Ruben chose to "live and fight another day", and just laid down. Look at his reactions, etc. Ruben was ALWAYS better the second time around, but tin this case, he chose to step up and conquer more money in the featherweight division.
Some people might be appalled that a boxer might do this, especially a great legend, but it happens and more often than you think. This quirk in a boxer's psych often leads to an action that is perceived to be diliberate loss, or that the fighter was "payed-off" to lose. Sure, that has hapened in boxing, but most who "lay down" aren't paid, they just quit. They know that if they minimize the damage, in a fight they are not going to win, then they can come back better next time.
This isn't what you here boxers talk about, because in the future when trying to explain the strange loss, they rely on the "I was forced to lose" excuse.
-Rick Farris
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 14:21
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:scartissue wrote:kikibalt wrote:
Lover boy, Don Fraser and his two girlfriends.
Don with another one of his girls
Isn't that Trudie Latka on Don's right? Met her a couple of times, very nice lady. She undoubtedly had her hands full with George as he got older. There were times I met up with them when he'd be a bit confused or ornery, but she always had him dressed up for every occasion and took everything in stride. God bless her.
Scartissue
Yes it is.
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 15:10
by kikibalt
Ernie "Indian Red" and Danny "Lil Red" Lopez
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 15:27
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Ernie "Indian Red" and Danny "Lil Red" Lopez
Think of the excitment these two generated in L.A. during the 60's & 70's. So many memories, personal and otherwise. Thanks for sharing the event Frank! Keep it coming. Look forward to seeing everybody at the California HOF event in June.
-Rick
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 15:50
by scartissue
Rick Farris wrote:OLIVARES & HERRERA . . .
Olivares is truly one of my three favorite boxers of all-time. Scar, I've watched that fight many times and it was not Ruben's night. For what ever reason, usually due to his partying, occasionally the great Olivares had a bad night, and on this night, I believe Ruben chose to "live and fight another day", and just laid down. Look at his reactions, etc. Ruben was ALWAYS better the second time around, but tin this case, he chose to step up and conquer more money in the featherweight division.
Some people might be appalled that a boxer might do this, especially a great legend, but it happens and more often than you think. This quirk in a boxer's psych often leads to an action that is perceived to be diliberate loss, or that the fighter was "payed-off" to lose. Sure, that has hapened in boxing, but most who "lay down" aren't paid, they just quit. They know that if they minimize the damage, in a fight they are not going to win, then they can come back better next time.
This isn't what you here boxers talk about, because in the future when trying to explain the strange loss, they rely on the "I was forced to lose" excuse.
-Rick Farris
I see what you mean, Rick, and to tell you the truth, taking in consideration his physical state (severely cut, mouthpiece protruding indicating exhaustion, probable dehydration in making weight) it was likely unintentional. Simply his body letting him down. And he couldn't have chosen a worse opponent. I've always rated Ruben my #1 bantam of all time, but I have Herrera right up there too. I feel he is very underrated, just as he was back in '72. The combination of his stout chin, underrated punching power and incredibly physical for a 118 lb. fighter made him pure poison for the partying Olivares. It would be a great fight with a prime Olivares and of course, I would have to go with Ruben in that one.
Scartissue
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 16:34
by Rick Farris
scartissue wrote:Rick Farris wrote:OLIVARES & HERRERA . . .
Olivares is truly one of my three favorite boxers of all-time. Scar, I've watched that fight many times and it was not Ruben's night. For what ever reason, usually due to his partying, occasionally the great Olivares had a bad night, and on this night, I believe Ruben chose to "live and fight another day", and just laid down. Look at his reactions, etc. Ruben was ALWAYS better the second time around, but tin this case, he chose to step up and conquer more money in the featherweight division.
Some people might be appalled that a boxer might do this, especially a great legend, but it happens and more often than you think. This quirk in a boxer's psych often leads to an action that is perceived to be diliberate loss, or that the fighter was "payed-off" to lose. Sure, that has hapened in boxing, but most who "lay down" aren't paid, they just quit. They know that if they minimize the damage, in a fight they are not going to win, then they can come back better next time.
This isn't what you here boxers talk about, because in the future when trying to explain the strange loss, they rely on the "I was forced to lose" excuse.
-Rick Farris
I see what you mean, Rick, and to tell you the truth, taking in consideration his physical state (severely cut, mouthpiece protruding indicating exhaustion, probable dehydration in making weight) it was likely unintentional. Simply his body letting him down. And he couldn't have chosen a worse opponent. I've always rated Ruben my #1 bantam of all time, but I have Herrera right up there too. I feel he is very underrated, just as he was back in '72. The combination of his stout chin, underrated punching power and incredibly physical for a 118 lb. fighter made him pure poison for the partying Olivares. It would be a great fight with a prime Olivares and of course, I would have to go with Ruben in that one.
Scartissue
Scar . . . I worked with Herrera at the Main St. Gym, in 1969, when I was 17. He was already a top bantam ,and he kicked my ass for three rounds. I consider Olivares among the three best, along with Manuel Ortiz and Eder Jofre. Herrera, as you mentioned, had the edge in conditioning. Olivares off-training schedule usually added a lot of weight, and luckily, Olivares was ALWAYS fighting, his active schedule is what kept him in best shape. He was up & down in the gym, depending on his focus. When he was on, he was almost unbeatable, in fact, I never saw him lose when I knew he was ready.
Same can be said for Manuel Ortiz, who'd drink & eat himself up to welterweight, trim down to lightweight, fight lightweight champs like Lauro Salas, then trim back down to 118 lbs.
Jofre, on the other hand, was a clean machine, vegetarian, he had it all!
Herrera got lucky when he fought Olivares, but Jofre, even the dehydrated version that lost to Harada, would walk right thru Herrera, and don't be surprised if this Mexican warrior chooses to make an "easy escape", ala Olivares.
Guys, I'm not challenging the hearts, courage, or skill of these greats, I boxed with all I'm naming. I'm just validating that the best are that way for a reason, they know how to survive.
-Rick
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 18:09
by kikibalt
Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini and Joey Olmos
Posted: 13 Apr 2008, 18:12
by kikibalt
Mando Ramos