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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 10:14
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: It not only stings & leaves a welt, it also leaves a permanent stain, reminding the person that you GOT 'EM!!! :twisted:
In Oklahoma City, we used to have tons of acorns. We used those as slingshot ammunition. In the Summers in Oklahoma the only thing you wore as a kid were cutoffs and (maybe) a t-shirt. Lots of exposed fresh and, boy, did those acorns sting!! Its a wonder somebody didn't lose an eye . . .

Tom . . . As a kid, cut offs and a T-shirt was all I wore in the summer. Acorns would be great sling shot ammo (I shot just about everything possible using my slingshot). I'll never forget hearing the mothers in our neighborhood tell us, "One of you kids are going to lose an eye." Nobody ever lost an eye that I can remember, but it made you think. I have to admit, I accidentally shot a neighborhood kid in the face with my bow & arrow. I was a guy who never could hit the target with an arrow. We were having a neighborhood war with some older kids, they were hitting us with BB's. I shot an arrow over the fence to scare them. Damn if it didn't hit one of the older kids in the face. The arrow went right into his cheek, and I saw him run out of the yard with this arrow sticking in his head. I wasn't aiming at anybody because I couldn't see what was on the other side of the fence. Needless to say, this ended the war and the older kids never came back to start another. Luckily, the arrow didn't do anything more than put a small hole in his face, which was stitched up. My father paid the emergency room bill, came home and gave me the worst ass-whipping ever with his belt. I then had to work off the cost of the medical bill. I mowed a lot of lawns that summer, and never saw a penny. :witzend:
I think mothers in the 1950s got a memo telling them to warn their kids that "one of you is going to lose an eye." But in my school, that actually did happen. One of my high school classmates, a guy named Roger, actually had a glass eye. He had been accidentially shot by a friend while playing with BB guns when he was 8 or 9.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 10:21
by raylawpc
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
As I recall, the guy yelling "more gusto, more gusto," was his brother Michael. Michael was also a great strategist. I remember him imploring Leon in Spinks-Ali II to "squirm," "squirm." Sound strategy indeed :roll: :roll: - and proof that one person can be a great fighter but an absolute disaster as a cornerman!!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 11:45
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Frank, the guy who got shot was 12, I was ten. He had never given me trouble before, but had bullied a lot of my friends.
After the arrow incident, he didn't fu*k with anybody again. :lol: (And I never again used a bow & arrow).
Rick, when I was in Jr high that were two girls that were the best of friends, they were always together, one was named Rosie, can't remember the other one's name, Rosie was tall, stood straight as an arrow, the other one was slightly hunch, not like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but slightly hunch none the less, I think you can guess where I'm going with this, yes, we call'em "Bow & Arrow". "Here comes Bow and Arrow" some one would say as we seen them coming....
:lol: :lol:

Frank, be sure to file this story in your archives. :TU:
Bow & Arrow? :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 12:01
by Expug
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
Great insights Dan.
I agree that a maniacal corner can cost a fighter a fight.
I appreciate a cool calm corner. That doesnt mean a lax one either. The chief should be able to help motivate when nec.
I always liked the way The Petronnelis worked Marvin Haglers corner. They had a great rapport with Marvin. Calmly getting the strategy across. They were real pros. They also had Marvin from day one.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 12:11
by Rick Farris
raylawpc wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
As I recall, the guy yelling "more gusto, more gusto," was his brother Michael. Michael was also a great strategist. I remember him imploring Leon in Spinks-Ali II to "squirm," "squirm." Sound strategy indeed :roll: :roll: - and proof that one person can be a great fighter but an absolute disaster as a cornerman!!
You know Tom, you brought up an interesting name, Michael Spinks. This guy wasn't a natural heavyweight, the first of several to build himself into one during that era. By the time Spinks defeated Holmes, I'd had enough of the arrogant Easton Assassin. I also could see he was really resting on his laurels. Spinks had that "squirmy" style, he was slippery and hard to hit, with enough power to keep a guy honest. His only loss was to Tyson. Nobody brings up his name as a Hall of Famer, but I should have. He's as deserving as anybody the WBHOF has inducted in recent years (but definitly not as a cornerman :lol: ). My opinion.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 12:50
by raylawpc
Expug wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
Great insights Dan.
I agree that a maniacal corner can cost a fighter a fight.
I appreciate a cool calm corner. That doesnt mean a lax one either. The chief should be able to help motivate when nec.
I always liked the way The Petronnelis worked Marvin Haglers corner. They had a great rapport with Marvin. Calmly getting the strategy across. They were real pros. They also had Marvin from day one.
I was taught that the coolest guy in the arena had to be the cornerman. If you panic, the fighter will panic.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 13:07
by THEHAMMER321
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
Rick or Scar was Jesse Reid a Jackie McCoy protege,I got to know Jessie back in the early 80s when I was a teenager I used to hang around the golden gloves gym when Jessie used to train Bruce Curry and Roger Mayweather, we used to talk about upcoming fights,I remember us talking about Mike Spinks and Dwight Braxton's upcoming fight at the time where I liked Braxton and Jessie liked Spinks he told me Spinks had the best uppercut in the business and that he would use that to keep Braxton honest,should have listened to Jesse bet all the money I had on Braxton. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 13:28
by Rick Farris
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
Cannonball Green . . .

Dan . . . El Gato did have a good corner that night. Whenever I hear the name Cannonball Green, it reminds me of a story I've told here before. Excuse my repeating it. When Suey Welch took over as my manager, he asked Cannonball Green to train me. Cannonball was working with Suey's other boxer at the time, Gil King. I liked Cannonball but he really wasn't the best trainer for me, and I was able to get better boxing at the Main Street Gym than I was at the Hoover Street Gym, where Cannonball worked out of. Mel Epstein was brought in to train me. Later that year, I fought one of Cannonball's fighter's on the undercard of the Mando Muniz-Clyde Grey fight. It was just a four round fight, and I won all of the rounds. I recall that I had Cannonball's boxer backed into his own corner, and I had him hurt. I hear Cannonball yelling up from below, "Go to the body, Ricky! Go to the body!" I immedialtly took my attack downstairs and hurt the guy right before the final bell rang. I was amazed that Cannonball was shouting instructions to me, and even more surprised when he jumped into the ring after the final bell and lifted me into the air, like I was his fighter. When he set me back down I turn and see Mel Epstein standing in my corner, towel over his shoulder, hands on his hips, shaking his head. All Mel could say was, "That son-of-a-bitch is crazy!" :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 13:53
by Rick Farris
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:A great corner . . .

Is what Mando Ramos had the night he fought Frankie Crawford. Jackie McCoy & Eddie Futch.
Rick, another great corner was El Gato's the night he beat Carmona. Jackie McCoy, Jesse Reid and Cannonball Green. And everyone knew their place and no one stepped on Jackie's toes. He ran the show. I recall Emile Griffith working a few corners through his Gil Clancy-Howie Albert affiliation (I think it was a Juan LaPorte fight), and some bucket carrier had the audacity to give LaPorte some advice. Griffith paused, glared at him and he slunk into the shadows. Remember the Ali-Spinks rematch? Georgie Benton masterminded the plan that won Spinks the title, but Leon incorporated a bunch of hangers-on for the rematch. I remember one of them yelling over Benton's instructions, "More gusto! More gusto!" I remember thinking at the time, "What is this, a beer commercial?" That was the fight where Benton famously walked out mid-fight. Of course I remember passive corners too. Remember the dude named Don Turner who worked some of Holyfields fights? Man, this dude was positively somber. I recall a microphone in the corner and I heard him ask a second, "Water!....Water!....Water!" Three times he had to ask. I don't think Lou Duva would have asked 3 times, he ran a maniacal corner. And it was that maniacal crap that I always blame for Taylor losing to Chavez (Duva on the ring apron sreaming crap that confused his clearly buzzed fighter). Everyone brings something different to the table.

Scartissue
Rick or Scar was Jesse Reid a Jackie McCoy protege,I got to know Jessie back in the early 80s when I was a teenager I used to hang around the golden gloves gym when Jessie used to train Bruce Curry and Roger Mayweather, we used to talk about upcoming fights,I remember us talking about Mike Spinks and Dwight Braxton's upcoming fight at the time where I liked Braxton and Jessie liked Spinks he told me Spinks had the best uppercut in the business and that he would use that to keep Braxton honest,should have listened to Jesse bet all the money I had on Braxton. :lol:

Paul . . . Jessie started out fighting pro for Jackie McCoy in the late 60's, he only had a handful of fights, and I remember seeing him fight on TV from the Olympic Auditorium. Jessie was a real rough fighter in the ring, and I was surprised when he suddenly quit. In short time, I was seeing him work as a second for his former manager. That's where it started, and in due course he was training world class fighters.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 14:11
by THEHAMMER321
Were the fights from the Olympic on local T.V or were they nation wide :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 16:47
by Rick Farris
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Were the fights from the Olympic on local T.V or were they nation wide :witzend:

They were shopwn locally, in the Southern California L.A. market on KTLA-Ch.5. However, they were later rebroadcast out-of-town and out of state. I don't know exactly where they were seen outside of the L.A. area, but people would tell me they'd get rebroadcasts maybe a week later on one of their local independent networks.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 17:21
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Were the fights from the Olympic on local T.V or were they nation wide :witzend:

They were shopwn locally, in the Southern California L.A. market on KTLA-Ch.5. However, they were later rebroadcast out-of-town and out of state. I don't know exactly where they were seen outside of the L.A. area, but people would tell me they'd get rebroadcasts maybe a week later on one of their local independent networks.
They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 18:57
by Rick Farris
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Were the fights from the Olympic on local T.V or were they nation wide :witzend:

They were shopwn locally, in the Southern California L.A. market on KTLA-Ch.5. However, they were later rebroadcast out-of-town and out of state. I don't know exactly where they were seen outside of the L.A. area, but people would tell me they'd get rebroadcasts maybe a week later on one of their local independent networks.
They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

L.A. Boxing TV broadcasts, mid 60's-70's . . .

Tom, closed-circuit was used for the major Forum cards promoted by George Parnasus, such as Chacon-Olivares, Zarate-Zamora, etc.
I know many were shown on closed circuit in Mexico, and many states with a sizeable Latino population.
Don Fraser's weekly Forum cards in the early 70's, were televised locally on KTLA-Ch.5, with the Olympic broadcasting on KCOP-Ch.13.
Some of the weekly cards would find their way outta town/state, and appear on independent channels via syndication.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 22:39
by scartissue
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
They were shopwn locally, in the Southern California L.A. market on KTLA-Ch.5. However, they were later rebroadcast out-of-town and out of state. I don't know exactly where they were seen outside of the L.A. area, but people would tell me they'd get rebroadcasts maybe a week later on one of their local independent networks.
They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

L.A. Boxing TV broadcasts, mid 60's-70's . . .

Tom, closed-circuit was used for the major Forum cards promoted by George Parnasus, such as Chacon-Olivares, Zarate-Zamora, etc.
I know many were shown on closed circuit in Mexico, and many states with a sizeable Latino population.
Don Fraser's weekly Forum cards in the early 70's, were televised locally on KTLA-Ch.5, with the Olympic broadcasting on KCOP-Ch.13.
Some of the weekly cards would find their way outta town/state, and appear on independent channels via syndication.


-Rick Farris
We had a weekly telecast of Boxing from the Olympic and Boxing from the Forum here in Chicago, but there was always a delay of a couple of months. The Olympic telecasts were easy, we pretty much saw what you guys were seeing, just a bit afterwards. But the Forum telecasts were not weekly, yet I still saw a Forum telecast every week. How they did that was simply by televising the seperate fights on the same card, which looked like we were seeing a new show every week. Case in point, there was an excellent Forum card in '72 featuring 4 10 rounders. The Ruben Olivares-Rafael Herrera rematch, Enrique Pinder vs. Chucho Castillo, Rodolfo Martinez vs Beaver Kajimoto and Famosito Gomez against Ely Axinto. I saw every one of those fights on seperate weeks. Another one off the top of my head was probably George Parnassus' greatest card. The double-header Olivares against Pimental and Napoles against Lewis. Again, I saw them both, but on seperate weeks. Man, good times.

Scartissue

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 23:54
by Rick Farris
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote: They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

L.A. Boxing TV broadcasts, mid 60's-70's . . .

Tom, closed-circuit was used for the major Forum cards promoted by George Parnasus, such as Chacon-Olivares, Zarate-Zamora, etc.
I know many were shown on closed circuit in Mexico, and many states with a sizeable Latino population.
Don Fraser's weekly Forum cards in the early 70's, were televised locally on KTLA-Ch.5, with the Olympic broadcasting on KCOP-Ch.13.
Some of the weekly cards would find their way outta town/state, and appear on independent channels via syndication.


-Rick Farris
We had a weekly telecast of Boxing from the Olympic and Boxing from the Forum here in Chicago, but there was always a delay of a couple of months. The Olympic telecasts were easy, we pretty much saw what you guys were seeing, just a bit afterwards. But the Forum telecasts were not weekly, yet I still saw a Forum telecast every week. How they did that was simply by televising the seperate fights on the same card, which looked like we were seeing a new show every week. Case in point, there was an excellent Forum card in '72 featuring 4 10 rounders. The Ruben Olivares-Rafael Herrera rematch, Enrique Pinder vs. Chucho Castillo, Rodolfo Martinez vs Beaver Kajimoto and Famosito Gomez against Ely Axinto. I saw every one of those fights on seperate weeks. Another one off the top of my head was probably George Parnassus' greatest card. The double-header Olivares against Pimental and Napoles against Lewis. Again, I saw them both, but on seperate weeks. Man, good times.

Scartissue
Dan . . . We never saw the Olivares-Pimentel/Napoles-Lewis card on TV in L.A. You guys got more than we did. What you were seeing was replays of closed circuit telecasts, which would have been very cool. The Olivares-Herrera fight was held in Mexico, however. I worked with Olivares for the Pimentel fight. Was supposed to fight on the undercard but my match fell apart. When you bring up the name Rodolfo Martinez, I worked with him at the Elk's Club prior to his flattening Famoso Gomez at the Forum.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 08:59
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Frank, the guy who got shot was 12, I was ten. He had never given me trouble before, but had bullied a lot of my friends.
After the arrow incident, he didn't fu*k with anybody again. :lol: (And I never again used a bow & arrow).
Rick, when I was in Jr high that were two girls that were the best of friends, they were always together, one was named Rosie, can't remember the other one's name, Rosie was tall, stood straight as an arrow, the other one was slightly hunch, not like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but slightly hunch none the less, I think you can guess where I'm going with this, yes, we call'em "Bow & Arrow". "Here comes Bow and Arrow" some one would say as we seen them coming....
:lol: :lol:

Frank, be sure to file this story in your archives. :TU:
Bow & Arrow? :lol:
Done Rick....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 10:15
by Rick Farris
Faye Dunaway . . .

A few years ago, when I returned to work in the film business, a cinematographer friend of mine asked me if I'd do him a favor and help him shoot a pilot for a TV series he hoped to sell as a series. He was using his own money (well, most of it would come from his mother-in-law, actress Connie Stevens). My friend was married to Connie's daughter Jolie Fisher.

I was just restablishing myself in town, and happily took the job, which would be a two week shoot.

I would learn that Faye Dunaway (Bonnie & Clyde) would be in the cast.

I haven't time to finish this story now, as I must leave for work, but when I return I'm going to share a funny story (funny for me) relating to the actress. What a 24K PAIN-IN-THE-ASS!!!! :witzend:


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 11:07
by kikibalt
Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“Riding The Gauntlet”

I used to live in “El Hoyo Simons”. The Mom and Pop stores were up the hill from El Hoyo. Us guys from El Hoyo were always having brick fights with the guys from up the hill. When Panfelita would sent me to the store I would ride my bike as fast as I could by Carlos and Elio Diaz’s house because they would throw bricks at me as I rode by their house, They would then wait for me to ride back and throw some more bricks at me, after dodging bricks going and coming, I would get back to Panfelita’s, get off my bike and go “WOW” and wipe my forehead.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 11:31
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Tales From The Simons Brickyard
“Riding The Gauntlet”

I used to live in “El Hoyo Simons”. The Mom and Pop stores were up the hill from El Hoyo. Us guys from El Hoyo were always having brick fights with the guys from up the hill. When Panfelita would sent me to the store I would ride my bike as fast as I could by Carlos and Elio Diaz’s house because they would throw bricks at me as I rode by their house, They would then wait for me to ride back and throw some more bricks at me, after dodging bricks going and coming, I would get back to Panfelita’s, get off my bike and go “WOW” and wipe my forehead.

Brick fights? Now that's hard core! :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:18
by Rick Farris
Rick Farris wrote:Faye Dunaway . . .

A few years ago, when I returned to work in the film business, a cinematographer friend of mine asked me if I'd do him a favor and help him shoot a pilot for a TV series he hoped to sell as a series. He was using his own money (well, most of it would come from his mother-in-law, actress Connie Stevens). My friend was married to Connie's daughter Jolie Fisher.

I was just restablishing myself in town, and happily took the job, which would be a two week shoot.

I would learn that Faye Dunaway (Bonnie & Clyde) would be in the cast.

I haven't time to finish this story now, as I must leave for work, but when I return I'm going to share a funny story (funny for me) relating to the actress. What a 24K PAIN-IN-THE-ASS!!!! :witzend:


-Rick Farris

The name of the project was "The Cougar Club", and it was about a bunch of old broads that seduce younger men. I actually would see it on a cable station the following year. I've worked on great films and some losers. This was a loser, the worst waste of film I've ever been associated with. Typical youth raunch of today, such as the "American Pie" films.

On the first shooting day, we report to a location in the San Fernando Valley. As I'm walking thru our camp of trucks in the morning I go to the caterer and order my breakfast. While eating my breakfast, a nervous assistant director walks up to me and tells me that Faye Dunaway wants to see me immediatly. I tell the A.D. I'll see her in a few minutes, after I've finished eating. "No, no . . . she said she wants to see you now." I tell the shakey young man I'll see her when I finish breakfast. I'm working at a lower rate than usual, as a favor to the director/producer, so I tell the AD, I'll see her after I eat. He tells me she's in the make-up trailer, and he warns me, "She's very aggitated." Aggitated?

You see I worked with this woman before, while she was still a shadow of the Academy Award winner she once was ("Chionatown"). She had an industry wide rep as a bitch, and it was will earned. When she was doing big time films in the 70's, she pulled a lot of weight. Now she has been reduced to the lowest budget crap on film, and on a project that would never sell to become a series. I was taking less money to help my friend his pilot. The actress would have to wait for me.

When I finally get to the make-up trailer she was no longer there. She was in her dressing room trailer. As I approach the trailer, I hear a woman shouting, and see pieces of clothing flying out the door and into the street. "What the hell?" I thought.
"I wont wear this sh*t!", she screamed at a young wardrobe attendent. I step up into the room and see the red faced actress throwing a tantrum. I said, "Excuse me, I'm the lighting gaffer, my name is Rick." I put my hand out to shake hers but she doesn't shake my hand. She steps right into my face, looks into my eyes and says, "How to plan on lighting me."

You see, despite the woman's foul nature, she was once a big star. And like Barbara Streisand, she knew she needed special lighting. I remember her in "Bonnie & Clyde", "Chinatown" and the one where she had portrayed Joan Crawford in, "Mommie Dearest". At this moment, she was recreating her Joan Crawford "bitch" role, but we were not acting.

When I say "Special lighting", I mean that her face has major flaws. For one thing, years of drug and alcohol abuse had left deep lines in her face. Only so much could be plastered over with make-up, she need me to hide her inperfections in very soft light and shadows. This is my specialty, I have a rep for being able to light women.

In answer to her question, I calmly said that I planned on lighting her face with the softest source available, a "China Ball". A china ball is simply one of those inexpensive paper lamps that you buy in Chinatown. A simple light bulb mounted inside the paper lamp emits the softest light source on earth, and the light wraps nicely around an actors face, filling the wrinkles instead of shadowing them as a hard light source would do. Of all the expensive high tech lighting units available to me, for a beautiful female close-up, I use a $10 item made in China.

She really proved to me that she knew lighting when I saw her face suddenly relax, after hearing my plan. "I'll light you flat with a china ball and then give your hair a nice back light edge. I'll light you, capture the image on the monitor, and then I'll show you how you look." Her entire mood changed, "Thank God somebody knows what they're doing!" she said. She put her arms around me and said, "We're going to get along just fine." Of course we are, I thought, because if we don't I'm outta here.

As I turn to leave, her face returns to that of a witch as she continued to rag on the poor wardrobe girl.
A couple days later I'm sitting at lunch and her make-up artist approaches me. "I need your help" she tells me.
I say, "OK, what's up?"
"I have to tell her something about her make-up, but I'm afraid, could you tell her for me?", she asks.
"Why me?" I reply.
"Because she hates everybody but you, you are her new best friend." I had to laugh.

I told the make-up artist that she'd have to handle her own problem, to just look in her eyes and speak firmly and honestly and things would be OK. I gave her a pep talk and sent her on her way. A little later, I see the make-up artist sobbing during lunch.
I ask her, "Well, how did things go when you stood up to her?"
The girl glared at me and said, "She told me to go Fu*k myself. Thanks for the help."

About a week into the shoot, Faye Dunaway was sent away, fired from a low budget piece of crap.
How things change in this town. Faye Dunaway was one of the biggest of her era, along with Jane Fonda,etc.
Now she's finished in Hollywood.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 13:57
by kikibalt
Great story Rick.... :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 14:59
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
They were shopwn locally, in the Southern California L.A. market on KTLA-Ch.5. However, they were later rebroadcast out-of-town and out of state. I don't know exactly where they were seen outside of the L.A. area, but people would tell me they'd get rebroadcasts maybe a week later on one of their local independent networks.
They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

L.A. Boxing TV broadcasts, mid 60's-70's . . .

Tom, closed-circuit was used for the major Forum cards promoted by George Parnasus, such as Chacon-Olivares, Zarate-Zamora, etc.
I know many were shown on closed circuit in Mexico, and many states with a sizeable Latino population.
Don Fraser's weekly Forum cards in the early 70's, were televised locally on KTLA-Ch.5, with the Olympic broadcasting on KCOP-Ch.13.
Some of the weekly cards would find their way outta town/state, and appear on independent channels via syndication.


-Rick Farris
That makes sense, Rick. We had to drive to dallas to see the fights from the forum. Dallas had and has a large Hispanic population.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 15:11
by THEHAMMER321
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Faye Dunaway . . .

A few years ago, when I returned to work in the film business, a cinematographer friend of mine asked me if I'd do him a favor and help him shoot a pilot for a TV series he hoped to sell as a series. He was using his own money (well, most of it would come from his mother-in-law, actress Connie Stevens). My friend was married to Connie's daughter Jolie Fisher.

I was just restablishing myself in town, and happily took the job, which would be a two week shoot.

I would learn that Faye Dunaway (Bonnie & Clyde) would be in the cast.

I haven't time to finish this story now, as I must leave for work, but when I return I'm going to share a funny story (funny for me) relating to the actress. What a 24K PAIN-IN-THE-ASS!!!! :witzend:


-Rick Farris
The name of the project was "The Cougar Club", and it was about a bunch of old broads that seduce younger men. I actually would see it on a cable station the following year. I've worked on great films and some losers. This was a loser, the worst waste of film I've ever been associated with. Typical youth raunch of today, such as the "American Pie" films.

On the first shooting day, we report to a location in the San Fernando Valley. As I'm walking thru our camp of trucks in the morning I go to the caterer and order my breakfast. While eating my breakfast, a nervous assistant director walks up to me and tells me that Faye Dunaway wants to see me immediatly. I tell the A.D. I'll see her in a few minutes, after I've finished eating. "No, no . . . she said she wants to see you now." I tell the shakey young man I'll see her when I finish breakfast. I'm working at a lower rate than usual, as a favor to the director/producer, so I tell the AD, I'll see her after I eat. He tells me she's in the make-up trailer, and he warns me, "She's very aggitated." Aggitated?

You see I worked with this woman before, while she was still a shadow of the Academy Award winner she once was ("Chionatown"). She had an industry wide rep as a bitch, and it was will earned. When she was doing big time films in the 70's, she pulled a lot of weight. Now she has been reduced to the lowest budget crap on film, and on a project that would never sell to become a series. I was taking less money to help my friend his pilot. The actress would have to wait for me.

When I finally get to the make-up trailer she was no longer there. She was in her dressing room trailer. As I approach the trailer, I hear a woman shouting, and see pieces of clothing flying out the door and into the street. "What the hell?" I thought.
"I wont wear this sh*t!", she screamed at a young wardrobe attendent. I step up into the room and see the red faced actress throwing a tantrum. I said, "Excuse me, I'm the lighting gaffer, my name is Rick." I put my hand out to shake hers but she doesn't shake my hand. She steps right into my face, looks into my eyes and says, "How to plan on lighting me."

You see, despite the woman's foul nature, she was once a big star. And like Barbara Streisand, she knew she needed special lighting. I remember her in "Bonnie & Clyde", "Chinatown" and the one where she had portrayed Joan Crawford in, "Mommie Dearest". At this moment, she was recreating her Joan Crawford "bitch" role, but we were not acting.

When I say "Special lighting", I mean that her face has major flaws. For one thing, years of drug and alcohol abuse had left deep lines in her face. Only so much could be plastered over with make-up, she need me to hide her inperfections in very soft light and shadows. This is my specialty, I have a rep for being able to light women.

In answer to her question, I calmly said that I planned on lighting her face with the softest source available, a "China Ball". A china ball is simply one of those inexpensive paper lamps that you buy in Chinatown. A simple light bulb mounted inside the paper lamp emits the softest light source on earth, and the light wraps nicely around an actors face, filling the wrinkles instead of shadowing them as a hard light source would do. Of all the expensive high tech lighting units available to me, for a beautiful female close-up, I use a $10 item made in China.

She really proved to me that she knew lighting when I saw her face suddenly relax, after hearing my plan. "I'll light you flat with a china ball and then give your hair a nice back light edge. I'll light you, capture the image on the monitor, and then I'll show you how you look." Her entire mood changed, "Thank God somebody knows what they're doing!" she said. She put her arms around me and said, "We're going to get along just fine." Of course we are, I thought, because if we don't I'm outta here.

As I turn to leave, her face returns to that of a witch as she continued to rag on the poor wardrobe girl.
A couple days later I'm sitting at lunch and her make-up artist approaches me. "I need your help" she tells me.
I say, "OK, what's up?"
"I have to tell her something about her make-up, but I'm afraid, could you tell her for me?", she asks.
"Why me?" I reply.
"Because she hates everybody but you, you are her new best friend." I had to laugh.

I told the make-up artist that she'd have to handle her own problem, to just look in her eyes and speak firmly and honestly and things would be OK. I gave her a pep talk and sent her on her way. A little later, I see the make-up artist sobbing during lunch.
I ask her, "Well, how did things go when you stood up to her?"
The girl glared at me and said, "She told me to go Fu*k myself. Thanks for the help."

About a week into the shoot, Faye Dunaway was sent away, fired from a low budget piece of crap.
How things change in this town. Faye Dunaway was one of the biggest of her era, along with Jane Fonda,etc.
Now she's finished in Hollywood.


-Rick Farris
Well maybe now she will realize that her --s-y is no longer made of gold :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 15:25
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote: They used to broadcast Forum fights closed circuit. I saw Olivaries-Chacon I on closed circuit in Dallas, Texas. I think it was a live telecast.

L.A. Boxing TV broadcasts, mid 60's-70's . . .

Tom, closed-circuit was used for the major Forum cards promoted by George Parnasus, such as Chacon-Olivares, Zarate-Zamora, etc.
I know many were shown on closed circuit in Mexico, and many states with a sizeable Latino population.
Don Fraser's weekly Forum cards in the early 70's, were televised locally on KTLA-Ch.5, with the Olympic broadcasting on KCOP-Ch.13.
Some of the weekly cards would find their way outta town/state, and appear on independent channels via syndication.


-Rick Farris
That makes sense, Rick. We had to drive to dallas to see the fights from the forum. Dallas had and has a large Hispanic population.
And they were there first..... :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 15:56
by THEHAMMER321
A friend of mine was traveling through the mostly black ''The old west side'' Las Vegas and at the intersection is a black man dressed in a suit and he is trying to collect money his speal is ''we are trying to stop gang violence in our community'' well my friend is at the light and the guy is giving him the ''speal'' and he holds out his hand for a handshake aka ''part of the con'' and my friend doesn't give his hand for the handshake,then the man replies ''you afraid to shake a black man's hand'' and then my friend says as he is shaking the man's hand ''I don't mind shaking your hand but I aint got no money'' :lol: