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Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:
Hi Paul . . . I watched both fights. The first one (Mares-Perez) was close and very good, to real fighters putting on a war.
The second bout started out like the first three, but as expected, it was a blood bath within a couple minutes. Vasquez was stopped on two huge cuts, the one over his left eye was as bad as anything I've seen. Vasquez needs to retire. Marquez may fight Vic Darchinian?

If there is one good thing that can be said for Israel's cuts, it's that they ended the fight early. An early out was best for both boxers on this night.

I too watch both fight and I agree, Rick, Vasquez needs to retire, if not the commish should pull his license. The other? well, yes there was action, but, harm-less action, neither was throwing hard punches, Perez, throws nothing but arm punches and Mares did in the the middle rounds a bit of running....Marquez, I think is going to be in time call an all time great.

The Great Mr. Marquez and Ms. Gwen Adair . . .

Frank, I agree with you on Marquez. I see him laying a whipping on Darchinian, and taking his heart.
Harmless action is true in bout one. I told my friend, "Lots of action, but it'll go the distance.
'Marquez is a classy fighter, so is his brother.
I noticed in bout #1, Marty Denkin was over-ruled by Gwen Adair and the other female official. They both voted a draw.
Al Bernstein then incorrectly stated that Gwen was the first woman to ever ref a pro match. Belle Martell did it in the 40's.
However, Gwen is the first female to ever ref a world title fight, and the only woman to do so.

You're right on all counts Rick...

Remember the day when it was said that if a challenger wanted the title he had to go after it?

kikibalt wrote:Remember the day when it was said that if a challenger wanted the title he had to go after it?

Frank . . . Things have changed. Today, when a boxer turns pro, he is managed by a corporation. He has a staff of employees, and upon getting his (or hers) license, is issued a WBC belt. The title may vary, as to the boxer, but the one thing we can know and depend on, we are looking at a world champion. Today's fightes are superior to those in years gone by. Look at the failure of Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Dempsey, etc. How many of these alleged "all-time greats" held a world title before they had a dozen pro fights? Today's fighters, with their high-tech training and new techniques, have reached a level of superiority that makes it possible for them to reach an "ALL TIME" status after less than two dozen fights. I'm so glad that I have been blessed to live long enough to be a part of such a great era in boxing as we have today.

kikibalt wrote:Remember the day when it was said that if a challenger wanted the title he had to go after it?

I think that old adage has changed in the last 40 years or so, The new adage reads whoever the drawing card is, regardless who is the champion gets the benefit of the decision, in other words when a guy like Sugar Ray Leonard was involved in a close fight it didn't matter if he was the champion or challenger he got the best of the decision.

Olympic boxing champions rarely fade away; the gold medal makes them forever marketable. Take Audley Harrison, the 2000 Olympic super-heavyweight champion who suffered a number of defeats in recent years but was brought back each time until finally the hesitant, fragile southpaw from Wembley managed to pull the trigger in a fight he was losing against Michael Sprott last month. He left it until the very last round to flatten Sprott for the vacant European heavyweight title.
The title has secured Harrison a crack at fellow Londoner David Haye for the WBA heavyweight crown later this year in London. Haye disposed of his mandatory challenger John Ruiz in nine rounds just recently, so this is a mandatory defence for the heavy handed champion, a soft defence, a marking-time affair, a loosener - OK, I’ll say it. Haye gets a patsy before he takes on the Klitschko brothers.
Harrison is 10 years older than Haye at 38 and 'chinny', if his first fight with Sprott is any gauge. Sprott, only a small heavyweight, poleaxed the giant Harrison with a left hook in three rounds at Wembley in 2007. Harrison was then outgamed by an Irish brawler by the name of Martin Rogan, who outscored him over 10 rounds in 2008, but entered the embarrassing Prizefighter last year, an event held over three rounds, and found the format to his sensitive liking and picked up first prize. He copped a real break when his showdown with muscled Pole Albert Sosnowski for the European title was gazumped by WBC heavyweight king Vitali Klitschko, who defends against Sosnowski next Saturday in Germany. Sosnowski vacated his EBU belt and in stepped little Sprott, who rocked Harrison in the second round and outworked him until Harrison came to life spectacularly in the 12th. It ranks as a good revenge win for the new champion but typified his career to date: long spells of inactivity punctuated by the odd burst. The man is an exercise in frustration.
In contrast Haye is all aggression and power – all action. He switched to heavyweight after a thrilling spell at cruiserweight and destroyed Monte Barrett in his debut at the weight in 2008, dropping the American five times before it was stopped. He picked up the WBA belt with a smart 12-round decision over Nikloiai Valuev a fight later, wobbling the gargantuan Russian in the last with a big left hook, and defended against Ruiz in his last fight, flooring the gutsy Puerto Rican four times.
His fearless approach breathes new life into the long-stale heavyweight division and obviously separates him from the lucky challenger, who almost certainly would have lost to Sosnowski and fights plain scared. Ask yourself this: can a man who lost to a crude brawer like Rogan defeat a slick, punishing champion like Haye? No, of course he can't. Haye will jump on Harrison and finish him as soon as he lands cleanly.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Remember the day when it was said that if a challenger wanted the title he had to go after it?

I think that old adage has changed in the last 40 years or so, The new adage reads whoever the drawing card is, regardless who is the champion gets the benefit of the decision, in other words when a guy like Sugar Ray Leonard was involved in a close fight it didn't matter if he was the champion or challenger he got the best of the decision.

Thats true Paul, but I like the old adage better....

I got to thinking about how much boxing has changed over the years, there was a time when being ''The champion of the world'' was a prestigious honor, when every conman in boxing started creating championships to help there own cause aka ''there bank account'' , it started a lot of confusion, it didn't confuse the more hardcore fans like we who post on here,but the casual fan, like one time when I was watching Michael Dokes vs Gerrie Coetzee fight and I had a couple of guys over the house, when they announced Heavyweight championship fight one of the guys turns to me and says '' I thought Larry Holmes was the Heavyweight champion'', then I had to explain to him that Holmes was the ''real champion'', so that's just one of the reasons people are turned off by boxing.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Tony Baltazar vs. Howard Davis/ Examination of bad scoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7XFMzy ... re=related

saw this fight live, was impressed by Tony's left hook, not by Howard's fast feet, but the incompetent judges were fans of Carl Lewis the only thing I could think of.

OH I forgot some clowns call that ''ring generalship'' an excuse to give it to the wrong guy.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Tony Baltazar vs. Howard Davis/ Examination of bad scoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7XFMzy ... re=related

saw this fight live, was impressed by Tony's left hook, not by Howard's fast feet, but the incompetent judges were fans of Carl Lewis the only thing I could think of.

OH I forgot some clowns call that ''ring generalship'' an excuse to give it to the wrong guy.

I always hear Harold Letterman use the term ''ring generalship'',and of course he was a judge before he started annoying us with his voice and bad scoring on HBO. it's ok guys you know his voice rubs you the wrong way, you can say it.

Gaspar Ortega, I have always heard about him and I read a story about him by world famous referee Joe Cortez, Cortez talked about how Gaspar befriended him and his brother when they were kids, got them involved with boxing, what makes his career unusual is he is from Mexico and made his career in New York at a time when not many Mexican people resided in NY, Frank you know much about Gaspar.

Late Spring 1972

Late spring 1972, a bunch of us guys are going on a camping/fishing trip, a trip that my brother-in-law Willie and our families had taken countless of times, this time it’s a guys thing, Willie’s young son, Jesse, is also making the trip, my brother Mando and other brother-in-law Danny are among a bunch of guys going in two pickups/campers. Danny had never gone camping with us before, so when I called to invite him he said yes and ask.
“ What do I need to take as far as food is concern”
“Danny, we’re going to camp and fish for 3-4 days, so bring what you think you’re going eat and drink in those days”

We meet at my place on Friday morning, Willie arrives early to help load my pickup/camper, Mando and Danny arrived about the same time. Since Willie will do all the cooking for our group, he was in charge of loading up the food in the camper, he would get it all together and load it up so that he would know where everything would be at.
“Danny, where is your food?’
“Right here, Willie”
Willie gets a small box from Danny with half dozen eggs, half pound of bacon, cold cuts, half a loaf of bread, six pack of beer and a choice piece of steak, Willie looks at me and shakes his head.
“Danny, is this all the beer you brought?”
“Well, yes”
“Watch this”
Willie drank all of Danny’s beer in no time.
“Willie, you drank all my beer!”
“Well, now your need to buy some more”
Danny bought a case of beer!.

We head north on Highway 395, we stopped at Little Lake Hotel/Bar to meet the other guys and to shoot some pool and drink beer, Little Lake Hotel/Bar was, it has since burned down, in the middle of nowhere, we walked into the bar and it was empty, Ernie, one of the guys in the other camper notice an old piano in a corner and ask the barmaid if he could play it.
“Go ahead, it hasn’t been played in years”
Now, Ernie can play a mean Boogie Woogie, after he played a few notes people were coming out of the woodwork, all desert rats, after Ernie played some tunes and we played some pool, drank beer, we left.

Some hours later we arrive at McGee Creek Campground where we made camp. At sundown Willie goes inside the camper to get dinner ready for our group, Willie took longer then usual to cook dinner, finally he opened the camper door and yells.
“Come and get it”
We all get in line as Willie starts passing out the plates with the grub, when Danny gets his plate, he looks at it, and sees a pork chop, he looks at Willie.
“Willie, where’s my steak?”
Rubbing his belly Willie goes.
“Yum, Yum!”
He ate Danny choice steak!, thats why it took him so long to get dinner ready for the rest of us.

After dinner while we’re around the campfire drinking beer and tequila I see Willie trying to chop up a good size log with what looked like a Boys Scouts axe, Danny sees him too.
“Willie, what are you doing to my axe?”
“Danny, here’s what I think of you axe”
Willie throws Danny’s axe in the fire, and Danny almost had a heart attack. Willie told me late that he had already broken the handle.

After a while Mando and I ran out of tequila, let me say here that this was the first time drinking with my one and only brother, he had just return from Vietnam, so yes we were hanging one on, running out of the agave, we decided to go across the street to the McGee Creek Lodge & Bar to get some more tequila.

After first refusing the owner of the lodge/bar agree to sell us a bottle of the agave that was a few shots short, we gave him 20 bucks for it, found a table to sit at, as Mando and I sat drinking the owner’s 15 year old daughter would come to wipe our table clean and down a shot, she got drunk and so did I, I passed out and was drag back to the camper ruining my brand new cowboys boots.

Next thing I remember was when I woke up next morning in the top bunk of the camper next to little Jesse, he was wet, I was wet, who pissed on who?

Who knows, maybe one of the other guys pissed on both of you.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Who knows, maybe one of the other guys pissed on both of you.

Yeah! who knows....

THEHAMMER321 wrote:I got to thinking about how much boxing has changed over the years, there was a time when being ''The champion of the world'' was a prestigious honor, when every conman in boxing started creating championships to help there own cause aka ''there bank account'' , it started a lot of confusion, it didn't confuse the more hardcore fans like we who post on here,but the casual fan, like one time when I was watching Michael Dokes vs Gerrie Coetzee fight and I had a couple of guys over the house, when they announced Heavyweight championship fight one of the guys turns to me and says '' I thought Larry Holmes was the Heavyweight champion'', then I had to explain to him that Holmes was the ''real champion'', so that's just one of the reasons people are turned off by boxing.

It hurts to read a post like this. Boxing has essentially commited suicide.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:I always hear Harold Letterman use the term ''ring generalship'',and of course he was a judge before he started annoying us with his voice and bad scoring on HBO. it's ok guys you know his voice rubs you the wrong way, you can say it.

Yes, Paul, HL, can be very annoying with his girlish voice....

bennie wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:I got to thinking about how much boxing has changed over the years, there was a time when being ''The champion of the world'' was a prestigious honor, when every conman in boxing started creating championships to help there own cause aka ''there bank account'' , it started a lot of confusion, it didn't confuse the more hardcore fans like we who post on here,but the casual fan, like one time when I was watching Michael Dokes vs Gerrie Coetzee fight and I had a couple of guys over the house, when they announced Heavyweight championship fight one of the guys turns to me and says '' I thought Larry Holmes was the Heavyweight champion'', then I had to explain to him that Holmes was the ''real champion'', so that's just one of the reasons people are turned off by boxing.

It hurts to read a post like this. Boxing has essentially commited suicide.

It hurts to see boxing in its present stage, Bennie.

kikibalt wrote:

bennie wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:I got to thinking about how much boxing has changed over the years, there was a time when being ''The champion of the world'' was a prestigious honor, when every conman in boxing started creating championships to help there own cause aka ''there bank account'' , it started a lot of confusion, it didn't confuse the more hardcore fans like we who post on here,but the casual fan, like one time when I was watching Michael Dokes vs Gerrie Coetzee fight and I had a couple of guys over the house, when they announced Heavyweight championship fight one of the guys turns to me and says '' I thought Larry Holmes was the Heavyweight champion'', then I had to explain to him that Holmes was the ''real champion'', so that's just one of the reasons people are turned off by boxing.

It hurts to read a post like this. Boxing has essentially commited suicide.

It hurts to see boxing in its present stage, Bennie.

Nothing Lasts Forever . . .

We can all look back on boxing as we knew it, and I guess that is why we all post here.
Boxing as we knew it is dead. It will never be anything like what it was, that is impossible.

Went out this morning about 3 am, it has been chili out at night about the last 4-5 days, don't think I will ever live somewhere else, where else can you get up at 3 in the morning and be broke before the sun rises.

Reminds me of the old joke ''came here in a 60,000 dollar Cadillac and left in a 200,000 dollar bus. there have been many who have learned that lesson.

Where is Tom?, he's been mia for the last few days. Tom!!

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Went out this morning about 3 am, it has been chili out at night about the last 4-5 days, don't think I will ever live somewhere else, where else can you get up at 3 in the morning and be broke before the sun rises.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Reminds me of the old joke ''came here in a 60,000 dollar Cadillac and left in a 200,000 dollar bus. there have been many who have learned that lesson.

Like Willie? but Willie got there, (NorCal) in a $ I00.00 Honda... ...But he did ride the bus back home....

kikibalt wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Reminds me of the old joke ''came here in a 60,000 dollar Cadillac and left in a 200,000 dollar bus. there have been many who have learned that lesson.

Like Willie? but Willie got there, (NorCal) in a $ I00.00 Honda... ...But he did ride the bus back home....

Did Willie like to gamble ?

THEHAMMER321 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Reminds me of the old joke ''came here in a 60,000 dollar Cadillac and left in a 200,000 dollar bus. there have been many who have learned that lesson.

Like Willie? but Willie got there, (NorCal) in a $ I00.00 Honda... ...But he did ride the bus back home....

Did Willie like to gamble ?

No, drinking beer was his passion.