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Just watched the Price fight. Thompson was just too seasoned and ended hp winning at a coast. He knew from Rnd 3 he was going to win as he could see Price gassing so just stepped up his attacks just a little and went to the body a little more. Thompson didn't even break sweat in round 5 and finished Price very easily. Price is a big unit and IMO, although he looks in good nick his conditioning was shocking. Ironically Prices chin didn't seem all that bad (although it's stil not good), it was his heart that let him down.

Didn't realise yesterday was Price's birthday. That's a bad memory to have associated with it.

The moment 'The big payback' came on I felt he was putting way too much pressure on himself. Hope he can come back from it if he chooses to.

What did his team expect? Tony Thompson is a seasoned world class boxer and they chose to jump from Audley Harrison and Matt Skelton to that level? The term learn to walk before you can run is very apt here.

polecateddy wrote: European level fighter these days means world title contender :) Clearly it was a shambolic performance. As he's already cleaned up the domestic British scene bar Haye and Fury, he's not got a lot of obvious avenues. Probably the stategy may be to be patient and feed him journeymen for 2 years and see if the right bigger fight materialises, while hopefully becoming a more rounded fighter in the gym.

The problem with that is will the work and the journeyman route pay off in the end? I know for a fact the promotion gave Thompson $400,000 to rematch Price. They lost an awful lot of money on an investment that right now doesnt seem will ever make that move over the next hump. Some men are just European level fights, as I said. Henry Cooper, Jack Bodell, John L. Gardner, etc. were all fantastic champions for the Commonwealth, but on a world view they couldn't do much of anything. But there is no shame in that. That never stopped the public from loving Cooper and others. In the face of defeat, England is far more courteous and kind and forgiving than America is. If he were to continue, I would hope that Team Price would have it in their mind that the goal would be for him to retire one day as the GREATEST British & Commonwealth (Lonsdale) champion of all time.

There is very few men on the scene in the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth that I can see beating Price as is, and there are scores of them for him to fight. Martin Rogan, Richard Towers, Stephen Reynolds, Lucas Browne, Joseph Parker, Colin McKenna, etc. He could go on for a decade winning and becoming the most beloved man in the Isles not on a world class level. Whether he would be satisfied in that role or not is a whole other question. Pride would say no, but the mind would say that if he wanted to box then that would be the route to take. It's not like he doesn't have the fan fare and wouldn't be making reasonable money. And every now and then, do an international fight. And if he loses, so what, he's still the champion of the British Empire. And if he wins, then great, but dont jump the gun.

To rebuild his image will take some time, but I think the best step for him to take may just be a worldwide tour of the Commonwealth. Go to Northern Ireland and beat Reynolds, go to Australia and beat Parker, go to Canada and beat whoever is the top man there, etc. then bring the title back home and defend it against a Rogan or Sexton type. He can't lose that way. And it would build up an image in the public's mind that he is mentally stronger, and is willing to go anywhere on earth to achieve his goals. He could very well be the next Henry Cooper, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Lovely and romantic but need a lot of those fights to even begin to recoup a $400k investment, not including what was spent beforehand.

Totally different eras. The man on the street would all know without hesitation who the heavyweight British champ was back when cooper reigned. Hell, even area level title fights got aired on TV as huge events.

Fans, experts, TV etc etc would just not tolerate a long British run today. No chance

mimmy123 wrote:I know that @peterfury can bring@davidprice_1 back!! David come join team fury!?

Price should do that.

squared circle wrote:Lovely and romantic but need a lot of those fights to even begin to recoup a $400k investment, not including what was spent beforehand.

Totally different eras. The man on the street would all know without hesitation who the heavyweight British champ was back when cooper reigned. Hell, even area level title fights got aired on TV as huge events.

Fans, experts, TV etc etc would just not tolerate a long British run today. No chance

I always thought what made England special in boxing was the fact that it had so much national pride in it's fighters that it loved their boxers regardless of how well they did on an international level. As you pointed out at one point in Britain there was much fanfare and success with smaller area-level title matches. Hell, even the White Collar circuit was big. I think since Lewis's retirement England has went the wrong way in wanting to be like America in terms of the business. In America, you lose once you maybe forgiven, you lose twice then fornicate yourself. Doesn't matter what you do afterwards, you're still a shitcan bum. You lose, and you don't draw. England is slowly becoming that way too, and it's a shame.

Personally, as an American, I wish we were more modeled on how England was thirty-forty years ago. Cus if you were a local favorite, regardless of record nationally or internationally, you still had a chance in this business. At one time being the NABO champion meant something in America, or being the 'Americas' or 'Intercontinental' champion meant something. Not no more. And it's a shame. Everything is about winning, money, and bullshit in front of the cameras and behind the scenes.

England isn't that far removed from their old ways. And I hope to Jesus that they can hold on to that for a little longer. It's good, very good, to have area-title fights and see the champion of the Midlands go against the champion of South Wales, or the champion of Cornwall go against the champion of East London, etc. It builds character, builds fan recognition, builds LOYALTY to your boxers. Lengthy reigns as the British & Commonwealth champion are also good. Because maybe your man never will be a world's champion, but you can have national pride that your man represents your country and its people better than anyone else in the entire world. That used to mean something before everything got so linked up via the internet and social media outlets and Great Britain got too nervous feeling left behind in the wake of it all especially when it came to their sports.

Please, do me a favor. Don't be like America in boxing. You may not see that, but I surely do. We practically have killed boxing in our country and it only survives by the thread because of Mayweather and a few American latino champions. I do believe long title reigns for the British Empire championship would pay off in dividends more than one would think. Because regardless how far that man goes worldwide, he takes England and the Commonwealth with him along the way and in the face of defeat or victory stands true to being an Englishman in character and respect.

Rufus, you are a nutter.



But in spite of all temptations
To belong to other nations,
He remains an Englishman!
He remains an Englishman!

HomicideHenry wrote:

squared circle wrote:Lovely and romantic but need a lot of those fights to even begin to recoup a $400k investment, not including what was spent beforehand.

Totally different eras. The man on the street would all know without hesitation who the heavyweight British champ was back when cooper reigned. Hell, even area level title fights got aired on TV as huge events.

Fans, experts, TV etc etc would just not tolerate a long British run today. No chance

I always thought what made England special in boxing was the fact that it had so much national pride in it's fighters that it loved their boxers regardless of how well they did on an international level. As you pointed out at one point in Britain there was much fanfare and success with smaller area-level title matches. Hell, even the White Collar circuit was big. I think since Lewis's retirement England has went the wrong way in wanting to be like America in terms of the business. In America, you lose once you maybe forgiven, you lose twice then eff yourself. Doesn't matter what you do afterwards, you're still a shitcan bum. You lose, and you don't draw. England is slowly becoming that way too, and it's a shame.

Personally, as an American, I wish we were more modeled on how England was thirty-forty years ago. Cus if you were a local favorite, regardless of record nationally or internationally, you still had a chance in this business. At one time being the NABO champion meant something in America, or being the 'Americas' or 'Intercontinental' champion meant something. Not no more. And it's a shame. Everything is about winning, money, and bullshit in front of the cameras and behind the scenes.

England isn't that far removed from their old ways. And I hope to Jesus that they can hold on to that for a little longer. It's good, very good, to have area-title fights and see the champion of the Midlands go against the champion of South Wales, or the champion of Cornwall go against the champion of East London, etc. It builds character, builds fan recognition, builds LOYALTY to your boxers. Lengthy reigns as the British & Commonwealth champion are also good. Because maybe your man never will be a world's champion, but you can have national pride that your man represents your country and its people better than anyone else in the entire world. That used to mean something before everything got so linked up via the internet and social media outlets and Great Britain got too nervous feeling left behind in the wake of it all especially when it came to their sports.

Please, do me a favor. Don't be like America in boxing. You may not see that, but I surely do. We practically have killed boxing in our country and it only survives by the thread because of Mayweather and a few American latino champions. I do believe long title reigns for the British Empire championship would pay off in dividends more than one would think. Because regardless how far that man goes worldwide, he takes England and the Commonwealth with him along the way and in the face of defeat or victory stands true to being an Englishman in character and respect.

Yeah but it starts to get a bit tiresome being gallant losers after awhile.

See, myself I don't see it that way. A true loser is someone who quits. A true loser is someone who doesn't bothering rebuilding themselves. A true loser is someone who doesn't accept things the way they are and doesn't want to come to the realisation of things. A true loser is someone who doesn't try at all.

I wish there were more 'gallant losers' in this business than not, because we have a hell of a lot of people in this business whose hearts are not in it. Whether the top boxing people like it or not, or the skeptics and critics don't like it or not, the GENERAL PUBLIC will always love its underdogs and always love the common man who did something in his life in the face of defeat. People respect people who try and lose, more so than people who win and don't give a shit.

This sport is plagued by vampires, leeches, con artists, and outright frauds. At least with Price he showed more balls in taking that rematch and losing than alot of people who simply don't want to risk anything. Most of the top ten or twenty heavyweights in the world have padded records and wouldn't have done what Price did. And I never thought I myself would be defending him after seeing all the weaknesses in him as a boxer, but for his own countrymen to say "don't even bother being a gallant loser, you ought to be a plumber" is about the most hypocritical thing I have ever heard. It's like you would rather him give up, retire and fade away than to represent your country in any form or fashion.

And that is bullshit. Who knows maybe one day he could become a force in the division again, it may take several years for that to happen, by why try and hold him back and not root him on if he did decide to reign for a long time as the British and Commonwealth champion? Then again---- I'm talking to a nation who so blatantly disregarded Tyson Fury as an Englishman on commentary before the Price fight took place, saying that David was England's chance at having a heavyweight champion. I guess being a gypsy born in England of Irish descent disqualifies you somehow as being an Englishman. Shame on Steve Bunce for having said that last night on the air on allegedly.

Don't talk to me about gallant losers. Cus I can tell you something, like I said, it took some serious set of balls to take that rematch. He didn't have a chance with that style he had, but still, none the less, I'd like to see any common ordinary man step back into the lion's den knowing more than likely that they may not win at all. It's a moral victory if anything at all. And that's what makes a true Englishman, or a true man in essence, is doing what cannot be done and taking your beating like a man regardless of what is in front of you. That's the measure of a man.

Styles make fights, and maybe Thompson was all wrong for him. Maybe if he fought someone like Deontay Wilder instead he could have landed flush and knocked him out, cus the two men have the same style, no where to run or to hide. This is a sport where it is very easy for someone to wind up permanently damaged or even dead. Gloves dont make a difference, it can very easily happen. Never forget that. The fact is Price was rushed to the top too fast, and Maloney picked the wrong man to tangle with in Thompson. That is his fault as the promoter. Team Price is also to blame. A fighter fights, that's all he's meant to do. I still don't understand how a guy like me from bum fucked egypt in America could spot the weaknesses in Price and yet his team couldn't. They enabled him, and only further delayed him mentally and emotionally with this crap.

If anything they owe it to him to rebuild his career and set realistic goals in front of him. And being a very dominate British & Commonwealth champion is a very realistic and achievable goal for him to have.

Horse wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I know that @peterfury can bring@davidprice_1 back!! David come join team fury!?

Price should do that.

Fury's taking the piss Horse.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury's taking the piss Horse.

Maybe not.

Price isn't his rival anymore, so why wouldn't he want his uncle to get the glory in turning Price's career around?

J-C wrote:Didn't realise yesterday was Price's birthday. That's a bad memory to have associated with it.

The moment 'The big payback' came on I felt he was putting way too much pressure on himself. Hope he can come back from it if he chooses to.

I thought it was good to put that much pressure on himself. It's a brutal business and those that are destined for the top come through nights like last night as victors and take a lot from it.

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury's taking the piss Horse.

Maybe not.

Price isn't his rival anymore, so why wouldn't he want his uncle to get the glory in turning Price's career around?

Even if true, I'm sure there are plenty of far more proven trainers out there Price would turn to if he decides to keep at it!

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury's taking the piss Horse.

Maybe not.

Price isn't his rival anymore, so why wouldn't he want his uncle to get the glory in turning Price's career around?

He was gloating Horse. Anyway, you never answered my question. Have you ever done any boxing or sparring?

Price - Thompson anywhere online to watch?

keithmoonhangover wrote:He was gloating Horse. Anyway, you never answered my question. Have you ever done any boxing or sparring?

None of your bloody business. I don't need qualifications to talk about boxing on a forum.

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:He was gloating Horse. Anyway, you never answered my question. Have you ever done any boxing or sparring?

None of your bloody business. I don't need qualifications to talk about boxing on a forum.

That'll be a no then.

keithmoonhangover wrote: That'll be a no then.

I didn't see that response coming (I did really).

fantaheed wrote:Price - Thompson anywhere online to watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KILNYVCVY3A

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: That'll be a no then.

I didn't see that response coming (I did really).

It was your stupid comment about Price not being a natural fighter that gave it away.

keithmoonhangover wrote:It was your stupid comment about Price not being a natural fighter that gave it away.

How interesting (not really).

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:It was your stupid comment about Price not being a natural fighter that gave it away.

How interesting (not really).

Glad to be of service. (not really)

keithmoonhangover wrote:Glad to be of service. (not really)

I value your contributions to this forum highly (not really).

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Glad to be of service. (not really)

I value your contributions to this forum highly (not really).

I couldn't give a toss. (yes, really)