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klompton wrote:considering most of those guys were better than anyone jack fought id say its all within the realm of possibility. but since you want to argue a green ali vs a prime dempsey: would ali have been cold cocked in 1 like dempsey was against flynn? had his ribs caved in by j. k. johnson? would ali have been floored nine time on 1 rd by middleweight johnny sudenberg? would ali have gone life and death with human punching bag terry keller? would ali have gone 1-0-2 with mediocre al norton? would ali have gone 1-1-2 with obese willie meehan who turned pro at 98 pounds? yeah. i didnt think so. you can keep going but there is absolutely no comparison between the two and we can keep coming back to dempseys protected, color sensitive record as champ vs alis stellar record as champ. hell you bash zora folley who was the #1 contender. a black #1 contender is something dempsey avoided like the plague for 7 yrs. that right there bumps him to the back of the bus as far as im concerned.

klompton wrote:considering most of those guys were better than anyone jack fought id say its all within the realm of possibility. but since you want to argue a green ali vs a prime dempsey: would ali have been cold cocked in 1 like dempsey was against flynn? had his ribs caved in by j. k. johnson? would ali have been floored nine time on 1 rd by middleweight johnny sudenberg? would ali have gone life and death with human punching bag terry keller? would ali have gone 1-0-2 with mediocre al norton? would ali have gone 1-1-2 with obese willie meehan who turned pro at 98 pounds? yeah. i didnt think so. you can keep going but there is absolutely no comparison between the two and we can keep coming back to dempseys protected, color sensitive record as champ vs alis stellar record as champ. hell you bash zora folley who was the #1 contender. a black #1 contender is something dempsey avoided like the plague for 7 yrs. that right there bumps him to the back of the bus as far as im concerned.

klompton wrote:Harry Wills was one of the highest paid fighters of the era. He fought on the undercard of Harry Greb's title defense against WW champion Mickey Walker and made more than either Greb or Walker.

klompton wrote:The point was that Meehan was not a natural heavyweight. In fact he was overweight as a middleweight. Yet a guy who was probably more of a natural welterweight outboxed Dempsey in 2 four rounds and drew with him in two more. Dempsey's fans always say "yeah but they were only four rounders" Sorry but that excuse doesnt hold water. The first four rounds of every fight belonged to Dempsey just like they belonged to Tyson. Its not like Dempsey was some marathon runner style fighter who expected to see the late rounds. He went after a guy early and yet Meehan owned those rounds against Dempsey.

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

p4p1 wrote:^^^ That's unreal I would never think someone like Jack would admit to that.

Il Duce wrote:Sam Langford 'Slaps' Cassius Clay Silly.

In a Louisville, Kentucky sparring session, Sam Langford beat the 'tar'
out of Cassius Clay.

The #1 Contender admitted that he was not the #1 Challenger no more,
and that he was stepping aside to let Sam Langford fight Sonny Liston.

True Story

Il Duce wrote:Sam Langford 'Slaps' Cassius Clay Silly.

In a Louisville, Kentucky sparring session, Sam Langford beat the 'tar'
out of Cassius Clay.

The #1 Contender admitted that he was not the #1 Challenger no more,
and that he was stepping aside to let Sam Langford fight Sonny Liston.

True Story

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

What's less classier?


Doing a cheesy commercial


or


pimping out your wife?

klompton wrote:Instead Dempsey hawked a snake oil called Nuxated Iron and later cat food... stay classy Dempsey.

Yet another hypocrisy.

Kind of like your love of a draft dodger like Dempsey while denigrating Ali for the same. Or your love of Dempsey, whose relationship with professional wrestling lasted longer than his association with boxing and included mixed matches and farces, yet denigrate Ali for Inoki...

klompton wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

What's less classier?


Doing a cheesy commercial


or


pimping out your wife?

Lets not forget he supposedly acted as a stud to break young whores as well and broke his wife Maxine's jaw. Since Douche likes to quote ex wives about Ali maybe we should quote old Maxine on Dempsey... she had all kinds of interesting things to say about Jack.

ThatOne wrote:

klompton wrote:Instead Dempsey hawked a snake oil called Nuxated Iron and later cat food... stay classy Dempsey.

Yet another hypocrisy.

Kind of like your love of a draft dodger like Dempsey while denigrating Ali for the same. Or your love of Dempsey, whose relationship with professional wrestling lasted longer than his association with boxing and included mixed matches and farces, yet denigrate Ali for Inoki...

Yep.

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ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.