Haye v Fury postponed due to injury to haye ???

[Adamj1987]

What happens to all the bell ends who bought the tickets to sell on and rip off fellow boxing fans? Do the people who paid extortionate prices get their money back? Or will the touts get screwed over with booking fees and have to give full refund back to the buyers?

Why do you (and a lot of other people) think people who buy and sell tickets are bell ends? I don't get it. Supply and demand.

for that reason, if these bell ends didnt buy the tickets to sell at a profit they may be enough for fans to get at the original price

[JimStone]

The tickets only ever sell for less than or equal their worth to the buyer, so I can't see a problem.

[Adamj1987]

The tickets only ever sell for less than or equal their worth to the buyer, so I can't see a problem.

no they sell to the amount of free cash the buyer has if a tout has bought 10 £35 tickets and plans to sell them that could be 10 tickets people with small budgets could of had

[JimStone]

So if a guy goes to a garage and buys a car for £500 and one bloke comes along and offers him £1000 for it, and another bloke comes along and offers him £2000 for it, he's a bell end if he sells it at all, and more of a bell end if he sells it to the guy who offered £2000? It doesn't comprehend.

[Adamj1987]

So if a guy goes to a garage and buys a car for £500 and one bloke comes along and offers him £1000 for it, and another bloke comes along and offers him £2000 for it, he's a bell end if he sells it at all, and more of a bell end if he sells it to the guy who offered £2000? It doesn't comprehend.

you missed the part out of me saying buying to sell. do you buy a car and go oh this is good i'll sell it straight on? no

legit reason fine but buying them just to squeeze money out of people and deny people who cant afford these new inflated prices who are actually fans is wrong and makes them bell ends

[JimStone]

So if a guy goes to a garage and buys a car for £500 and one bloke comes along and offers him £1000 for it, and another bloke comes along and offers him £2000 for it, he's a bell end if he sells it at all, and more of a bell end if he sells it to the guy who offered £2000? It doesn't comprehend.

you missed the part out of me saying buying to sell. do you buy a car and go oh this is good i'll sell it straight on? no

legit reason fine but buying them just to squeeze money out of people and deny people who cant afford these new inflated prices who are actually fans is wrong and makes them bell ends

So the guy who runs the corner-shop is a bell end?

[Adamj1987]

So if a guy goes to a garage and buys a car for £500 and one bloke comes along and offers him £1000 for it, and another bloke comes along and offers him £2000 for it, he's a bell end if he sells it at all, and more of a bell end if he sells it to the guy who offered £2000? It doesn't comprehend.

you missed the part out of me saying buying to sell. do you buy a car and go oh this is good i'll sell it straight on? no

legit reason fine but buying them just to squeeze money out of people and deny people who cant afford these new inflated prices who are actually fans is wrong and makes them bell ends

So the guy who runs the corner-shop is a bell end?

usually...i josh

but you know dam well what i mean. if you dont want to go to the event dont buy the ticket. also in your example the cornershop man would be eventim or ticketmaster, the guy buying the last chocolate bar and standing outside selling it for £5 is the tout and that makes him a bell end

[JimStone]

There are plenty of links in the chain between the man who owns the banana trees and the bloke in your corner-shop who offers to sell you bananas.

You don't think people should be allowed to buy things that they don't want to use themselves purely to sell to people who do want to use those things?

[Adamj1987]

There are plenty of links in the chain between the man who owns the banana trees and the bloke in your corner-shop who offers to sell you bananas.

You don't think people should be allowed to buy things that they don't want to use themselves purely to sell to people who do want to use those things?

Then become an official vender to sell the tickets set up smething like ticketmaster and its the same bellends at every show in blackpool, manchester and liverpool

[JimStone]

Why set up to compete against Ticketmaster (which is largely owned by some of the richest people in the world, including Bill Gates), they do a great job already, attempting to compete directly against them would be a very high risk strategy that would almost certainly lead to failure. Far better to buy from them and resell on those occasions you deem tickets to be being offered below their true market value.

[Mimmy]

There are plenty of links in the chain between the man who owns the banana trees and the bloke in your corner-shop who offers to sell you bananas.

You don't think people should be allowed to buy things that they don't want to use themselves purely to sell to people who do want to use those things?

That doesnt really stand up. I bought a book on Ebay for 40ish quid knowing it was worth upto 100 so #I bought it and sold it for 78. (Sweet Agony - Paul Sykes) is that unfair?

[JimStone]

There are plenty of links in the chain between the man who owns the banana trees and the bloke in your corner-shop who offers to sell you bananas.

You don't think people should be allowed to buy things that they don't want to use themselves purely to sell to people who do want to use those things?

That doesnt really stand up. I bought a book on Ebay for 40ish quid knowing it was worth upto 100 so #I bought it and sold it for 78. (Sweet Agony - Paul Sykes) is that unfair?

No. I don't think you've read my post properly, pal.

[JC]

So if a guy goes to a garage and buys a car for £500 and one bloke comes along and offers him £1000 for it, and another bloke comes along and offers him £2000 for it, he's a bell end if he sells it at all, and more of a bell end if he sells it to the guy who offered £2000? It doesn't comprehend.

you missed the part out of me saying buying to sell. do you buy a car and go oh this is good i'll sell it straight on? no

legit reason fine but buying them just to squeeze money out of people and deny people who cant afford these new inflated prices who are actually fans is wrong and makes them bell ends

So the guy who runs the corner-shop is a bell end?

I think the difference here is that usually each person in the chain adds some value to justify a higher price. e.g. the man in the corner shop saves you from having to say drive to the factory to pick up your tin of beans, so he charges a little more to cover his costs and make a profit.

In this case the person selling the tickets hasn't added any value to the product, the buyer would much rather buy it themselves at the lower price. All they have done is exploited a quirk in the way the product is sold.

[JimStone]

He's investing his own labour, time, and money into making the tickets available in order for consumers to have the opportunity to decide their true value on the open market. A service that is not offered by the box office. That's the value he adds.

[palooka]

He's investing his own labour, time, and money into making the tickets available in order for consumers to have the opportunity to decide their true value on the open market. A service that is not offered by the box office. That's the value he adds.

They use a computer program to get between the box office and the consumer - making sure lots of events are sold out in minutes (or less); they scalp people and really don't deserve a lot of respect or admiration - it may be clever but it's a bit 'leechy', that's just my view though.

[JimStone]

He's investing his own labour, time, and money into making the tickets available in order for consumers to have the opportunity to decide their true value on the open market. A service that is not offered by the box office. That's the value he adds.

They use a computer program to get between the box office and the consumer - making sure lots of events are sold out in minutes (or less); they scalp people and really don't deserve a lot of respect or admiration - it may be clever but it's a bit 'leechy', that's just my view though.

You're entitled to your view. It doesn't change the fact they're providing a valuable service that, for reasons that are inexplicable to me, is widely vilified.

10 tickets are issued. 20 people want them. Numbers 11-20 on the phone have no chance of getting a ticket without the secondary market, even if they are willing to pay many times the face value - a face value that is obviously well below the true market value.

[palooka]

He's investing his own labour, time, and money into making the tickets available in order for consumers to have the opportunity to decide their true value on the open market. A service that is not offered by the box office. That's the value he adds.

They use a computer program to get between the box office and the consumer - making sure lots of events are sold out in minutes (or less); they scalp people and really don't deserve a lot of respect or admiration - it may be clever but it's a bit 'leechy', that's just my view though.

You're entitled to your view. It doesn't change the fact they're providing a valuable service that, for reasons that are inexplicable to me, is widely vilified.

10 tickets are issued. 20 people want them. Numbers 10-20 on the phone have no chance of getting a ticket without the secondary market, even if they are willing to pay many times the face value - a face value that is obviously well below the true market value.

There may be 10,000 tickets and 13,000 people who want to go, they each have a chance of getting a ticket and 10,000 will be happy and 3,000 sad. When the big ticket scalps get 7,500 of the tickets instantly it means that 2,500 people can buy the tickets at the market value and 7,500 people have to pay over the odds to see the event.

I can't see what valuable service they provide to be honest.

[JimStone]

You're completely wrong on this one. "Have to pay over the odds..."? There is a big difference between having to do something and choosing to do something.

The face value is seldom the true market value and the market value remains dynamic.

Some amongst your example 3000 may have a greater desire to go to the show than the 10,000 who bought tickets. Shouldn't they have the opportunity to demonstrate that desire and buy tickets from people who want to go less?

[palooka]

You're completely wrong on this one. "Have to pay over the odds..."? There is a big difference between having to do something and choosing to do something.

The face value is seldom the true market value and the market value remains dynamic.

The majority of people that buy the tickets would be far more happy to buy at the advertised (lower) price - the people happy to charge over the odds and add a charge are those benefiting from it - profiteering like that is a touch wrong, it's clever and it'd be nice if people said, 'fornicate it, we won't go' the scalpers may end up with their fingers burned - the market can't work only one way aden.

[JimStone]

You're completely wrong on this one. "Have to pay over the odds..."? There is a big difference between having to do something and choosing to do something.

The face value is seldom the true market value and the market value remains dynamic.

The majority of people that buy the tickets would be far more happy to buy at the advertised (lower) price - the people happy to charge over the odds and add a charge are those benefiting from it - profiteering like that is a touch wrong, it's clever and it'd be nice if people said, 'eff it, we won't go' the scalpers may end up with their fingers burned - the market can't work only one way aden.

It doesn't only work one way. I've paid below face value for practically every event/concert/show in Manchester I've ever been to.

[macaca]

What happens to all the bell ends who bought the tickets to sell on and rip off fellow boxing fans? Do the people who paid extortionate prices get their money back? Or will the touts get screwed over with booking fees and have to give full refund back to the buyers?

The touts will only get face value from the original booking. Secondary agents hold the cash until the event has taken place. They used to pay out as soon as the ticket had been sent out. Michael Jackson changed all that... The touts kept the money from the buyer and got their cards refunded from the original purchase.

I would say a maximum return of say 5 tickets per person or how ever they can regulate and fornicate over the touts

[JimStone]

I don't think I'm going to win you commies over.

[palooka]

I don't think I'm going to win you commies over.

Nice try though

[palooka]

You're completely wrong on this one. "Have to pay over the odds..."? There is a big difference between having to do something and choosing to do something.

The face value is seldom the true market value and the market value remains dynamic.

Some amongst your example 3000 may have a greater desire to go to the show than the 10,000 who bought tickets. Shouldn't they have the opportunity to demonstrate that desire and buy tickets from people who want to go less?

Isn't the face value the market value of the event based on the fair availability of the tickets? When many thousands of the tickets are hoovered up straight away then tickets are more scarce - the touts and scalpers are not taking advantage of market/price fluctuations - they are in reality interfering/rigging the market value - this is not done through any specialist knowledge or skilled ability, it's a racket and that many people 'choose' to pay more than the face value does not demonstrate that they have more desire to watch the event; it means they are over a barrel, it's a shake down really.

[keithmoonhangover]

Aden,

Ticket touts make money by selling tickets for more than they pay for them. On occasion they are forced to sell them for less than they paid for them. On the whole however, they make a profit from buying a ticket, that would have been available to a genuine buyer at the original price and selling it to someone for more.

Am I missing something? You actually think this is good?