Big Up - Amir Khan

[Stuarty]

How many active ATGs or how many on the whole? If it's the latter then I think you'll need to start another thread and give it a good few weeks. It would take more than mine and your knowledge put together to figure that one out.

Roughly how many world ATGs have there been?

'It does if I say it does' What an absolute pudendum like statement to make. Very dickish.

How is your attitude any better?

You think what you say is true and I think what I say is true.

In what way are you not behaving like a "pudendum"? In what way are you not being "very dickish"?

I don't come away with arrogant kunty statements like that! I just wouldn't. I am humble like AJ

I don't know how many ATGs there has ever been? I can't answer that question and you know that. It would take a collective effort from multiple posters to even work out an estimate on that question. I am sorry but I alone cannot answer that. Judging by my definition of an ATG and yours the difference would be sizeable.

[Syntax Error]

Horse, I have to man up & pay you some respect.

You've actually changed my mind on this one now having thought about & having seen what you've written.

I'm still wavering in respect of his KOs & the fact that he hasn't beaten the best of his era, but looking at the positive aspects of his career, it is probably fair to say he is a British great, namely because I can think of other fighters who I have thought of as British greats who haven't achieved what Khan has.

[Horse]

I don't come away with arrogant kunty statements like that! I just wouldn't. I am humble like AJ

I don't know how many ATGs there has ever been? I can't answer that question and you know that. It would take a collective effort from multiple posters to even work out an estimate on that question. I am sorry but I alone cannot answer that. Judging by my definition of an ATG and yours the difference would be sizeable.

So, you mock me for saying Khan is a British great, but you have no idea how many world greats there are and won't even attempt to give a rough answer?

Like I said, your conduct in this thread has been poor.

[Horse]

Horse, I have to man up & pay you some respect.

You've actually changed my mind on this one now having thought about & having seen what you've written.

I'm still wavering in respect of his KOs & the fact that he hasn't beaten the best of his era, but looking at the positive aspects of his career, it is probably fair to say he is a British great, namely because I can think of other fighters who I have thought of as British greats who haven't achieved what Khan has.

Thank you very much, Syntax Error.

It's unusual for a person to admit that they've changed their mind about something on here, so respect to you for being willing to do so.

[Stuarty]

I don't come away with arrogant kunty statements like that! I just wouldn't. I am humble like AJ

I don't know how many ATGs there has ever been? I can't answer that question and you know that. It would take a collective effort from multiple posters to even work out an estimate on that question. I am sorry but I alone cannot answer that. Judging by my definition of an ATG and yours the difference would be sizeable.

So, you mock me for saying Khan is a British great, but you have no idea how many world greats there are and won't even attempt to give a rough answer?

Like I said, your conduct in this thread has been poor.

Wtf has the amount of ATGs there are got to do with the fact that Khan isn't one of them? How can I give a rough answer? I'm not a boxing historian and don't claim to be. I don't see the relevance. Khan is a good fighter no doubt but great? Give me a break man! You can have Khan anywhere you like on your British list that's your choice but to say he's great and go on about his 'greatness' like you were is just wrong. Guys like Calzaghe, Lewis, Naz, Conteh, Buchanan are greats. Khan doesn't belong in any list next to those guys. Even Hatton is more deserving of the term.

[Counter-puncher]

Horse, I have to man up & pay you some respect.

You've actually changed my mind on this one now having thought about & having seen what you've written.

I'm still wavering in respect of his KOs & the fact that he hasn't beaten the best of his era, but looking at the positive aspects of his career, it is probably fair to say he is a British great, namely because I can think of other fighters who I have thought of as British greats who haven't achieved what Khan has.

[Horse]

Wtf has the amount of ATGs there are got to do with the fact that Khan isn't one of them? How can I give a rough answer? I'm not a boxing historian and don't claim to be. I don't see the relevance. Khan is a good fighter no doubt but great? Give me a break man! You can have Khan anywhere you like on your British list that's your choice but to say he's great and go on about his 'greatness' like you were is just wrong. Guys like Calzaghe, Lewis, Naz, Conteh, Buchanan are greats. Khan doesn't belong in any list next to those guys. Even Hatton is more deserving of the term.

You don't know enough to say that I am wrong, especially to do so in such a rude manner.

[Stuarty]

Wtf has the amount of ATGs there are got to do with the fact that Khan isn't one of them? How can I give a rough answer? I'm not a boxing historian and don't claim to be. I don't see the relevance. Khan is a good fighter no doubt but great? Give me a break man! You can have Khan anywhere you like on your British list that's your choice but to say he's great and go on about his 'greatness' like you were is just wrong. Guys like Calzaghe, Lewis, Naz, Conteh, Buchanan are greats. Khan doesn't belong in any list next to those guys. Even Hatton is more deserving of the term.

You don't know enough to say that I am wrong, especially to do so in such a rude manner.

Again arrogant patronising pish! I know enough to know Amir Khan isn't a great. To say he is would suggest it is you who doesn't 'know enough'.

[Anzi]

The top 100 or so.

How many British greats do you think there are?

Why won't anyone who says that Khan's not great answer that question?

The positives matter more than the negatives.

Ridiculous.

Error suits him

Is this some sort of WWE tag team?

Have you ever heard the old adage, if you have got anything decent say, don't speak?

Summer Slam

[Anzi]

They are the undisputed facts. Bradley beat Peterson easily - Peterson beat Khan. Bradley moved up undefeated to get a "win" over Pacquiao, Khan tried to regain a belt and got brutally KO'd again.

You have no idea of boxing do you ? that or you are hiding things. Pacman was robbed against Bradley, one of the biggest robberies, Khan's defeat on points to Peterson was disputed and Peterson was on PED's for the fight, to which the WBA super world title was handed back to Khan, or yes and Bradley's win over Peterson was 2 years before, you are so mixed up, you don't know where you are.

Au contraire Anzi. The quotation marks I placed around the word "win" show exactly what I thought of the Pac-Bradley fight.

Bradley beat Peterson easily and in your excuses for Khan's defeat to Peterson you have forgotten to add the presence of a man wearing a hat at ringside. Or his excuse to his brutal KO loss to Garcia about Freddie Roach's Parkinson disease slowing him down?

Thanks for reminding me mate, more fuel for the fire. If you thought Pacman was robbed by Bradley, then why use it, you should have used Marquez, Khan has not beaten anyone like him. When Khan was due to fight Bradley nearly everyone thought Khan would win, but Bradley went to new levels with his performances against Pronikov, Pacman and Marquez and that point would have beat Khan, lately however Bradley due the wars he has had, as slipped a bit.

[coneye]

Argue all you want about ATG but first you have to agree on what constitutes a ATG ,,, making money ,, winning a world title or two ,, fighting and beating world champs , .. Is Bruno a ATG , i mean he made plenty , he also got beat when he stepped up . Is Minter a ATG he got beat but he fought in a era when there were superstars around .

Is Hamed a all time great ,, definetly at the time a great drawdcard , a joy to watch but yet he tended to fight guys who were on there way down rather than up , and when he did meet a great he got mullered and did'nt want a rematch.. Are Benn and Eubank ATG , WHEN BOTH did'nt fight the real stars of the time Toney , Jones .

Like i said worjk out what constitutes a ATG , and then the answer is simple

[ClivePatrickLyons]

man Amir Khan is someone I admire more then ever for showing the courage that he showed he tried to win the fight he didn't show up just to survive and Canelo my hat is off to ya but now its your turn Canelo v GGG

[coneye]

man Amir Khan is someone I admire more then ever for showing the courage that he showed he tried to win the fight he didn't show up just to survive and Canelo my hat is off to ya but now its your turn Canelo v GGG

And that is a very good point ,, Khan did'nt just show up to survive he did try to win ,,theres a big difference

[Anzi]

Yes true

[whiskey]

Where is the Big Up Matthew Hatton thread?

He took Alvarez the distance and then took Kell Brook the distance with a broken nose.

He must definitely be an ATG / Legend etc too if Khan is.

[Horse]

Where is the Big Up Matthew Hatton thread?

He took Alvarez the distance and then took Kell Brook the distance with a broken nose.

He must definitely be an ATG / Legend etc too if Khan is.

No.

[whiskey]

Where is the Big Up Matthew Hatton thread?

He took Alvarez the distance and then took Kell Brook the distance with a broken nose.

He must definitely be an ATG / Legend etc too if Khan is.

No.

Why is that?

Alvarez:

Khan KO6
Hatton UD12

Brook:

Khan EX (excuses)
Hatton UD12

Whilst a few on this thread believe Brook wouldn't live with Amir's speed, power, fame and intelligence - I forecast AK wouldn't hear the final bell in that fight either.

[Horse]

Why is that?

For obvious reasons.

[forcefraser]

I`m fully on the Matty hatton appreciation Train.

he was essentially a welterweight as well when he fought Alvarez. Canelo must of outweighed him by Close to 20 lbs on the night.

He beat Hatton like a red heided stepchild, from pillar to post for 12 hard rounds and Matty stuck it out to the end. He showed what a tough man he was.

I remember hoping the corner would pull him out . He knew he had no chance, it was Clear as day, yet he took his beating and hung in there to the end.

Can`t praise him highly enough for the balls he showed in that fight.

[whiskey]

I`m fully on the Matty hatton appreciation Train.

he was essentially a welterweight as well when he fought Alvarez. Canelo must of outweighed him by Close to 20 lbs on the night.

He beat Hatton like a red heided stepchild, from pillar to post for 12 hard rounds and Matty stuck it out to the end. He showed what a tough man he was.

I remember hoping the corner would pull him out . He knew he had no chance, it was Clear as day, yet he took his beating and hung in there to the end.

Can`t praise him highly enough for the balls he showed in that fight.

Exactly, took his lumps for a fraction of the cash and then went on to repeat it against Brook.

When pressed who hits harder out of Canelo vs Brook, he said they can both crack hard and similar power.

[magwitch]

Wtf has the amount of ATGs there are got to do with the fact that Khan isn't one of them? How can I give a rough answer? I'm not a boxing historian and don't claim to be. I don't see the relevance. Khan is a good fighter no doubt but great? Give me a break man! You can have Khan anywhere you like on your British list that's your choice but to say he's great and go on about his 'greatness' like you were is just wrong. Guys like Calzaghe, Lewis, Naz, Conteh, Buchanan are greats. Khan doesn't belong in any list next to those guys. Even Hatton is more deserving of the term.

You don't know enough to say that I am wrong, especially to do so in such a rude manner.

We should get this added to the rules section:

“Rude manners will not be tolerated”

D’ management.

[stevedoc]

i've been on holiday and watched the fight last night already knowing the result for me khan started well and gave canelo trouble till canelo started landing the right hand to the body then khan started to slow down and the end was only a matter of time ,khan has great speed but he's not a smart boxer he didn't have a plan B once saul clossed the gap . khan was brave to take the fight and respect to him but lets not forget he's pretty much has been irrelevant on the world stage for the past 5 years he hasn't beat anyone in the top 5 at 140 or 147 since then and has really wasted his prime years i don't really know what he can do now i think all the top 147 fighters would KO him except bradley . there's no way khan is in the top 250 fighters all time he should hang them up and enjoy his reported £8,000,000 he got for the fight

[Horse]

he should hang them up and enjoy his reported £8,000,000 he got for the fight

No, he shouldn't. He should fight Garcia.

[stevedoc]

he should hang them up and enjoy his reported £8,000,000 he got for the fight

No, he shouldn't. He should fight Garcia.

he could beat garcia but i don't think he would garcia would get to him in the mid to late rounds and KO him again plus a KO like which khan got from canelo can take a lot out of a fighter and lets be honest khan never had a chin before now he could end up like david price going over the first time he's tagged ,khan just isn't a smart boxer garcia would figure him out after 3 or 4 rounds like canelo did

[Horse]

he could beat garcia but i don't think he would garcia would get to him in the mid to late rounds and KO him again plus a KO like which khan got from canelo can take a lot out of a fighter and lets be honest khan never had a chin before now he could end up like david price going over the first time he's tagged ,khan just isn't a smart boxer garcia would figure him out after 3 or 4 rounds like canelo did

Maybe, but he'll get another nice payday even if he loses and if he wins then he can pretty much fight anyone in the division for another good payday, possibly even Mayweather or Pacquiao.