Andre Ward vs. Sergio Kovalev RBR Discussion

[boxing_rocks]

Ward didn't look like top 10 p4p material last night at all. Maybe he could fit somewhere in 11-20 position.

[Tanzio]

Ward didn't look like top 10 p4p material last night at all. Maybe he could fit somewhere in 11-20 position.

Ward won, deservedly. Where does that leave Krusher?

[p4p1]

I imagine it's because that's much easier said than done.

It's really not mate. A little bit of wrestling training would have another boxer hurting Ward in the clinch and putting him on his ass if they wanted to. He is very out of position grappling wise if someone wants to throw him around. That's why Kov was easily able to back him up onto the ropes.

Partly because Ward is very physically strong - he's not a big puncher, but he had a strength/wrestling advantage over just about everyone he fought a 168lb. Early in the fight I thought it looked like Kovalev was the physically stronger, but as the fight went on if anything Ward looked the stronger, and certainly the more skillful on the inside.

Again his physical strength is barely an issue if someone wanted to really stop him wrestling. Kovalev consistently was able to get an underhook which means he could have control if he wanted or knew what to do. When Ward had his arms around him he could of whizzered the shit out of him and put him far out of position and put a lot of pressure on his shoulders which would've made him think twice about grappling. I just don't understand why when fighting someone who likes to grapple a guy wouldn't use a wrestling trainer to learn how to deal with it most effectively.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward didn't look like top 10 p4p material last night at all. Maybe he could fit somewhere in 11-20 position.

Ward won, deservedly. Where does that leave Krusher?

Ward didn't win, but Kovalev slid for me to 7-10th position, because he couldn't stop or totally dominate the slow and rusty version of Ward.

[Tanzio]

Ward didn't look like top 10 p4p material last night at all. Maybe he could fit somewhere in 11-20 position.

Ward won, deservedly. Where does that leave Krusher?

Ward didn't win, but Kovalev slid for me to 7-10th position, because he couldn't stop or totally dominate the slow and rusty version of Ward.

It hurts, doesn't it? Krusher lost. Own the L.

[boxing_rocks]

Ward won, deservedly. Where does that leave Krusher?

Ward didn't win, but Kovalev slid for me to 7-10th position, because he couldn't stop or totally dominate the slow and rusty version of Ward.

It hurts, doesn't it? Krusher lost. Own the L.

Yes, robberies hurt. Enjoy your cheating "win".

[Kalan]

No, they favored power shots with snap over tentative, glancing pitty-pat jabs.

Kovalev was the white guy.

If you actually think Kovalev landed a larger volume of really hard punches, then you didn't even see the fight. It's one thing if you think Kovalev's higher volume of glancing pitty-pat jabs had more merit than Ward's harder shots. But if you think Kovalev landed more hard shots, you didn't actually see the fight at all.

You're an idiot. The heavier punches, including the heavier jabs and the knockdown, were scored by Kovalev. The best work Ward did is with his head.

[Unbiased Expert]

Kovalev was the white guy.

If you actually think Kovalev landed a larger volume of really hard punches, then you didn't even see the fight. It's one thing if you think Kovalev's higher volume of glancing pitty-pat jabs had more merit than Ward's harder shots. But if you think Kovalev landed more hard shots, you didn't actually see the fight at all.

You're an idiot. The heavier punches, including the heavier jabs and the knockdown, were scored by Kovalev. The best work Ward did is with his head.

Ye Ye he landed those punches only in first two rounds D

[boxing_rocks]

Kovalev's jab is definitely harder than anything Ward landed in that fight.

[amwsnw]

Kovalev's jab is definitely harder than anything Ward landed in that fight.

Ward cemented his position in the upper echelon of fighters. He won 7 rounds to Kov 5 in my books. Recovered well and boxed superbly against a bigger and stronger guy. I think he will do it easier in a rematch.

[Kalan]

Kovalev won it at least 8 to 4 in rounds..That's being generous to Ward.. with the knockdown he won at least 116-111.. He definitely controlled the range and ring space and was the aggressor.. Ward is a great boxer, but this was a flat out robbery...

Roy Jones is a friend of Ward's who loves him. He gave the first 6 rounds to Kovalev and had the same score. He told reporters there was no way to consider Ward the victor because Kovalev landed the harder, cleaner punches, and with that most of the rounds.

[amwsnw]

Kovalev won it at least 8 to 4 in rounds..That's being generous to Ward.. with the knockdown he won at least 116-111.. He definitely controlled the range and ring space and was the aggressor.. Ward is a great boxer, but this was a flat out robbery...

Roy Jones is a friend of Ward's who loves him. He gave the first 6 rounds to Kovalev and had the same score. He told reporters there was no way to consider Ward the victor because Kovalev landed the harder, cleaner punches, and with that most of the rounds.

Maybe Roy needs to take up judging if you believe his take on it was accurate.Immediately Roy is bias. If he "loves" the bloke then he doesn't want to be seen favoring so he goes the other way in close rounds. Thats his opinion. I think when he watches the replay he will realise his mate won the title...and who knows, if you watch it with an unbias approach you may come up with the same result or find it much closer than you currently believe.

[amwsnw]

Of course not because Kov won the fight

It was a close fight that could fairly be scored for either fighter.

No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

P4p1, I'm not a huge fan of either fighter but respect both of their ability. Agree 100% with jezz, the fight couldve gone either way. I only had Krusher within 1 point because of the KD - couldve been wider !! or he couldve won.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Ward won, deservedly. Where does that leave Krusher?

Ward didn't win, but Kovalev slid for me to 7-10th position, because he couldn't stop or totally dominate the slow and rusty version of Ward.

It hurts, doesn't it? Krusher lost. Own the L.

You were making similar posts after Pac Bradley 1, clown. Unlike this, that was an all out robbery. This was more of a gift decision, you could have Ward ahead if given every benefit of the doubt. Why don't you gloat a bit about that Perez guy getting robbed on the undercard.

[p4p1]

It was a close fight that could fairly be scored for either fighter.

No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

P4p1, I'm not a huge fan of either fighter but respect both of their ability. Agree 100% with jezz, the fight couldve gone either way. I only had Krusher within 1 point because of the KD - couldve been wider !! or he couldve won.

I'm not saying it wasn't close but I certainly can not find 7 rounds that Ward won. Not only that the judges gave Ward round 10, a round that it seems to be unanimously agreed on that Kovalev won.

[jezzamundo]

No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

P4p1, I'm not a huge fan of either fighter but respect both of their ability. Agree 100% with jezz, the fight couldve gone either way. I only had Krusher within 1 point because of the KD - couldve been wider !! or he couldve won.

I'm not saying it wasn't close but I certainly can not find 7 rounds that Ward won. Not only that the judges gave Ward round 10, a round that it seems to be unanimously agreed on that Kovalev won.

For me, Ward clearly won rounds 7, 8 and 11 and edged 3, 5, 9 and 12. Which of those do you feel can't be scored for Ward?

There were two swing rounds I gave to Kovalev too - 4 and 6.

[Tanzio]

Ward didn't win, but Kovalev slid for me to 7-10th position, because he couldn't stop or totally dominate the slow and rusty version of Ward.

It hurts, doesn't it? Krusher lost. Own the L.

You were making similar posts after Pac Bradley 1, clown. Unlike this, that was an all out robbery. This was more of a gift decision, you could have Ward ahead if given every benefit of the doubt. Why don't you gloat a bit about that Perez guy getting robbed on the undercard.

Pac v Bradley was closer than this one. Both could have gone either way.