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Crease wrote:You may be surprised as to what boxing historians will consider the greater achievement.

The man who continual defends and unifies his weight division (as Hagler & Monzon done before him) - or the man who jumps up and down the weight classes and cherry picks his opponents for the quick dollar note.

Perhaps you will be surprised by how little Golovkin's run as champion is respected in the future.

Horse wrote:Perhaps you will be surprised by how little Golovkin's run as champion is respected in the future.

Perhaps... Only time will tell, Mr Horse.

I somehow doubt it though.
As a matter of interest, who would you liked to have seen Golvokin defending his World Middleweight title against since he won it in 2010?

I'd be interested as to hear the underlying reason why you think so little of Golovkin, who do you think that he's been avoiding (apart from Canelo)

Crease wrote:I somehow doubt it though.
As a matter of interest, who would you liked to have seen Golvokin defending his World Middleweight title against since he won it in 2010?

I'd be interested as to hear the underlying reason why you think so little of Golovkin, who do you think that he's been avoiding (apart from Canelo)

Better opponents.

Horse wrote:Better opponents.

Okay I get that is your opinion, but you have not answered my first question;

Crease wrote:As a matter of interest, who would you liked to have seen Golvokin defending his World Middleweight title against since he won it in 2010?

Crease wrote:Okay I get that is your opinion, but you have not answered my first question;

I've done this before. I can't be bothered to look up all of the names again.

What's the point in me doing so again?

So you can say that they all ducked him? Or that they weren't that good anyway?

Anyone who thinks that Golovkin fought the best the division had to offer is mental.

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:Okay I get that is your opinion, but you have not answered my first question;

I've done this before. I can't be bothered to look up all of the names again.

What's the point in me doing so again?

So you can say that they all ducked him? Or that they weren't that good anyway?

Anyone who thinks that Golovkin fought the best the division had to offer is mental.

Prove he's not going after the biggest fights.

Ossyrules wrote:Prove he's not going after the biggest fights.

Look at his record.

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Prove he's not going after the biggest fights.

Look at his record.

Doesn't answer the question

Prove he's not chasing the biggest fights

Ossyrules wrote:Doesn't answer the question

Prove he's not chasing the biggest fights

A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Doesn't answer the question

Prove he's not chasing the biggest fights

A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Failed

People keep stepping into Horse Sh!t.

Ossyrules wrote:

Horse wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:Doesn't answer the question

Prove he's not chasing the biggest fights

A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

The guys mentioned above were blatantly ducking Golovkin who was basically unknown until he defeated Macklin. Promoters of a few of them openly said that no way in hell they will put their guys in a ring with Golovkin.

Regarding Saunders, I suspect that Golovkin is injured. Even Sanchez "declining" that wasn't so convincing:

“I have no idea what Frank is talking about,” said Sanchez to RingTV.com. ”There was no injury per se but every fighter goes into every fight with little nagging things. They never go in 100-percent. If you come out of a 12 round fight with [Danny] Jacobs, I’m sure there was soreness. But what I know of? No, you saw pictures of him in New York after the fight,” said Sanchez.

boxing_rocks wrote:The guys mentioned above were blatantly ducking Golovkin who was basically unknown until he defeated Macklin. Promoters of a few of them openly said that no way in hell they will put their guys in a ring with Golovkin.

Regarding Saunders, I suspect that Golovkin is injured. Even Sanchez "declining" that wasn't so convincing:

“I have no idea what Frank is talking about,” said Sanchez to RingTV.com. ”There was no injury per se but every fighter goes into every fight with little nagging things. They never go in 100-percent. If you come out of a 12 round fight with [Danny] Jacobs, I’m sure there was soreness. But what I know of? No, you saw pictures of him in New York after the fight,” said Sanchez.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour and all fighters have niggling issues during training camp and post-fight. You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin that his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:The guys mentioned above were blatantly ducking Golovkin who was basically unknown until he defeated Macklin. Promoters of a few of them openly said that no way in hell they will put their guys in a ring with Golovkin.

Regarding Saunders, I suspect that Golovkin is injured. Even Sanchez "declining" that wasn't so convincing:

“I have no idea what Frank is talking about,” said Sanchez to RingTV.com. ”There was no injury per se but every fighter goes into every fight with little nagging things. They never go in 100-percent. If you come out of a 12 round fight with [Danny] Jacobs, I’m sure there was soreness. But what I know of? No, you saw pictures of him in New York after the fight,” said Sanchez.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour and all fighters have niggling issues during training camp and post-fight. You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin that his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Horse wrote:A popular fighter willing to take chump change can get the big fights.

Golovkin clearly isn't trying very hard to fight the best.

Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

It's all well and good listing active boxers in the time period. If only boxing was as simple as that. Many flaws in this post

Is this your honest opinions or are you just playing devils advocate again

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

It's all well and good listing active boxers in the time period. If only boxing was as simple as that. Many flaws in this post

Is this your honest opinions or are you just playing devils advocate again

You shouldn't ask him a question--he's apparently unable to answer them.

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Failed

GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

It's all well and good listing active boxers in the time period. If only boxing was as simple as that. Many flaws in this post

Is this your honest opinions or are you just playing devils advocate again

OK, why don’t you analyse each point detailed in my post at a granular level and verify the accuracy of my claims?

Please list the so-called “many flaws” contained in my post by providing counter-arguments that have clearly been fact-checked to the point that your statements are clearly irrefutable in nature?

I have yet to meet a knowledgeable boxing fan that wholeheartedly believes that the quality of GGG’s resume is deeply-impressive.

Accusing me of being “wrong”, without making any attempt to prove so, is incredibly lazy and extremely dishonest!

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:The guys mentioned above were blatantly ducking Golovkin who was basically unknown until he defeated Macklin. Promoters of a few of them openly said that no way in hell they will put their guys in a ring with Golovkin.

Regarding Saunders, I suspect that Golovkin is injured. Even Sanchez "declining" that wasn't so convincing:

“I have no idea what Frank is talking about,” said Sanchez to RingTV.com. ”There was no injury per se but every fighter goes into every fight with little nagging things. They never go in 100-percent. If you come out of a 12 round fight with [Danny] Jacobs, I’m sure there was soreness. But what I know of? No, you saw pictures of him in New York after the fight,” said Sanchez.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour and all fighters have niggling issues during training camp and post-fight. You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin that his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

If his own trainer doesn't say that he is COMPLETELY healthy, then those "little nagging things" are not so little, especially taking into account that Sanchez said that about going INTO the fight.

I don't expect EO to not take things literally though. You can't expect everybody to be smart.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:The guys mentioned above were blatantly ducking Golovkin who was basically unknown until he defeated Macklin. Promoters of a few of them openly said that no way in hell they will put their guys in a ring with Golovkin.

Regarding Saunders, I suspect that Golovkin is injured. Even Sanchez "declining" that wasn't so convincing:

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour and all fighters have niggling issues during training camp and post-fight. You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin that his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

If his own trainer doesn't say that he is COMPLETELY healthy, then those "little nagging things" are not so little, especially taking into account that Sanchez said that about going INTO the fight.

I don't expect EO to not take things literally though. You can't expect everybody to be smart.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour spread by Fwank Warren to the point that he himself has said that he has "no idea what Frank is talking about". You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

It's all well and good listing active boxers in the time period. If only boxing was as simple as that. Many flaws in this post

Is this your honest opinions or are you just playing devils advocate again

OK, why don’t you analyse each point detailed in my post at a granular level and verify the accuracy of my claims?

Please list the so-called “many flaws” in my post by providing counter-arguments that have clearly been fact-checked to the point that your statements are clearly irrefutable in nature?

I have yet to meet a knowledgeable boxing fan that wholeheartedly believes that the quality of GGG’s resume is deeply-impressive.

Accusing me of being “wrong”, without making any attempt to prove so, is incredibly lazy and extremely dishonest!

Enlightened One, this is a quite solid post, but you shouldn't have put Pirog on this list. I am sure that you know everything about cancelling this match, it was clearly a health issue.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: GGG gained a top-ten ranking by both the WBA and the WBC by June of 2008. The following year he was ranked in the top ten of all four of boxing’s main governing bodies and he eventually captured the WBA "regular" World middleweight title in 2010.

Gennady has technically competed in nineteen world championship fights, but only seven of his title challengers were rated as top-ten 160lb-ers by The Ring Magazine. The following link details a highly-detailed thread post that contains both the BoxRec resume and Ring Magazine ratings for most of GGG’s world championship opponents.

Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux & Daniel Geale are the only universally-regarded world-rated top-five legitimate middleweight opponents that GGG has ever faced (over a nine year timeframe). Only Daniel Geale and David Lemieux have ever held a legitimate version of a world 160lb title.

Technically-speaking, it’s easy to argue that Gennady Golovkin has had more than nine years’ worth of opportunity to face the likes of:
• Andy Lee
• Anthony Mundine
• Arthur Abraham
• Daniel Geale (prime, not the shot version)
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Felix Sturm
• Jermain Taylor
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Peter Quillin
• Sam Soliman
• Sergio Martinez
• And there are probably a few names that I've forgotten about

GGG was capable of beating all of these fighters, possibly some of them with consummate ease, but in my mind, they all represent a huge step-up in class compared to the vast majority of his opponents currently on his resume, which leads me to believe that Tom Loeffler & HBO should have made more of an effort to initiate contract negotiations with these men, since there is no proof of K2 approaching these fairly big-name boxers.

This issue is compounded when you also consider the fact that GGG has been a world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and during that timeframe, Team Golovkin have persistently claimed that Gennady can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs. Abel Sanchez took things one step further by claiming that no fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs could last the distance with him, but the Kazakh has never made any realistic attempts to compete at any weight other than 160lbs… ever!

One of the main excuses that GGG fans have cited for Golovkin remaining in his 160lbs comfort zone, despite his "154lbs to 175lbs" claims, relates to his focus and lifelong ambition to unify the middleweight titles, which apparently took priority over "big" money fights against the sports biggest names.

However, with both Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders claiming the terms of their title unification fight has already been agreed with K2, the boxing media are claiming that Team GGG are reluctant to take the bout due to the lure of the big money super-fight against Canelo being more tempting, which (if ultimately proven to be true) clearly contradicts the reasons his fans have cited for refusing to compete in one-off contests in other weight-classes.

The sad thing is… there is very little evidence of K2 initiating fight contract negotiations with any of GGG’s middleweight peers since 2008 and I’m unconvinced about HBO’s attempts to promote the supremely-talented Kazakh puncher.

It's all well and good listing active boxers in the time period. If only boxing was as simple as that. Many flaws in this post

Is this your honest opinions or are you just playing devils advocate again

OK, why don’t you analyse each point detailed in my post at a granular level and verify the accuracy of my claims?

Please list the so-called “many flaws” contained in my post by providing counter-arguments that have clearly been fact-checked to the point that your statements are clearly irrefutable in nature?

I have yet to meet a knowledgeable boxing fan that wholeheartedly believes that the quality of GGG’s resume is deeply-impressive.

Accusing me of being “wrong”, without making any attempt to prove so, is incredibly lazy and extremely dishonest!

I don't have the time right now to go turn for turn with you, but long story short there's some names that don't enhance his record, others that do, and others that if you look beyond boxrec rankings and stats and appreciate circumstances, understand there is little chance of the fight ever happening.

I've never said ggg's cv is stacked with contenders so dunno where you're going with that sentence either.

Devils advocate or genuine opinion?

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour and all fighters have niggling issues during training camp and post-fight. You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin that his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

If his own trainer doesn't say that he is COMPLETELY healthy, then those "little nagging things" are not so little, especially taking into account that Sanchez said that about going INTO the fight.

I don't expect EO to not take things literally though. You can't expect everybody to be smart.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour spread by Fwank Warren to the point that he himself has said that he has "no idea what Frank is talking about". You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

You are a f*cking idiot, EO. You treat everything literally. For you, it is either truth or lie, but in real life, people often tell not all truth or something beside some truth. Golovkin's team will never accept that he went into the PPV fight with injury or even that Gennady was injured during the fight, as it will affect his future fights in many ways and could cause law suites like ones against Pac.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
If his own trainer doesn't say that he is COMPLETELY healthy, then those "little nagging things" are not so little, especially taking into account that Sanchez said that about going INTO the fight.

I don't expect EO to not take things literally though. You can't expect everybody to be smart.

Abel Sanchez has denied the injury rumour spread by Fwank Warren to the point that he himself has said that he has "no idea what Frank is talking about". You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

You are a f*cking idiot, EO. You treat everything literally. For you, it is either truth or lie, but in real life, people often tell not all truth or something beside some truth. Golovkin's team will never accept that he went into the PPV fight with injury or even that Gennady was injured during the fight, as it will affect his future fights in many ways and could cause law suites like ones against Pac.

You cannot proclaim to know more about Golovkin than his own trainer. Simply put: GGG is not injured.

There's no evidence to support your claim.