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Best Coast wrote: I realize this will shake up your shallow world view, but 5 CENTURIES before white European slavers even arrived in Africa, Arab Muslims were enslaving black Africans. Even worse, Arab Muslims STILL ENSLAVE BLACK AFRICANS IN THE 21ST CENTURY:

Ever heard how the Slavic people got their names?
There is an effort to hide the enslavement of "whites".
It fucks up the whole supremacists argument.

Also, please understand the difference between older forms of slavery and chattel slavery. Roman slavery and the LATER enslavement of Africans and Natives were chattel slavery.

Outside of those two examples, slavery WAS something completely different. So we need to stop defining history using our modern understanding of things that got severely misinterpreted.

Since MOST places had something completely different than European slavery, I can theorize that slavery in the most brutal form was taught to Europeans by the Roman empire then the Roman church. Then the practice was applied to Africans and Natives. We also keep saying Africans and ignoring the bigger group of Natives who were enslaved worldwide.

Check the wiki page for indentured servant.
1. It was slavery
2. It has a whipping picture that would be familiar if the dude getting whipped was "black".

Most importantly, unlike super gangster thugs like Saad, I don't believe in race. I'm just trying to prove there has been worldwide abuse of all the peaceful "poor" by the ruling class. Many of those people lived in virtually money-less societies for centuries.

The defense of this stems from the defense of Rome because of how it's taught, which is basically a defense of imaginary "white". If it weren't for the transition to religious dominance, Rome would be known as what it was, a worse empire by far than even Nazi Germany.

If you're into the Bible (I'm not, but studied it too much), the book of revelation contains so many messages against the Roman empire who was dominating the region at the time. They hated them. You can juxtapose that with the same people's opinion of King Darius.

Kalan wrote:
There is also the idea that Native American "Indians" had tribal wars going on almost continuously and that Europeans actually "restored order" and stopped the constant warfare and killing when they forced natives onto reservations. There's the teaching that war and conquering other nations is part of human nature and happened throughout history -- and was part of Darwin's evolutionary "natural selection" and survival of the fittest.

People in the south were taught that slavery and subjugation are totally natural because of the hierarchy of races -- with Caucasians, and especially Anglo Saxons at the pinnacle and everyone else being child-like, without vision and purpose, and in the need of their guidance and authority.

I noticed at a very young age school wanted me to believe everyone was always evil and that Darwin somehow proved this. However, this is shitty interpretation of Darwin, who wasn't nearly 100% correct, but his ideas have been manipulated into a bible for brainwashed scientists and the elite.

If everyone on the planet was into domination amd power, then Muslims would have dominated all of Europe after realizing they were beating the shit out of Europeans in the Crusades (most ignored series of wars, pure evil manipulation of the poor European man by royalty working work religion).

Perhaps Europe would have loved Muslim rule like Spain. Before any supremacist tries to make it seem like the Moors faced 800 years of resistance (Christian lie), check out what they had to do to convert people to Christianity. It's the best example of how Christianity really spread.

"Muslim Own Slaves Today And White & Black Liberals Are Silent"

Yeah, and Trump, Pence, and Paul Ryan discuss the above constantly.

Give your CRAP a rest.

Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

ha ha, actually I agree with 1 and 2 ... point 3 is total bs

greg wrote:

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

ha ha, actually I agree with 1 and 2 ... point 3 is total bs

I don't like generalisations, but I think that you are right concerning point 3.........

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Most importantly, unlike super gangster thugs like Saad, I don't believe in race. I'm just trying to prove there has been worldwide abuse of all the peaceful "poor" by the ruling class. Many of those people lived in virtually money-less societies for centuries.

If you dont believe in race then why are you the Current Scene's #1 basher of the "evil white man"? You're constantly blathering about how white Europeans have oppressed blacks, Native Americans and everyone else under the sun, but when confronted with evidence that Arab Muslims not only preceded white Euros in the slavery industry by 5 CENTURIES but are STILL perpetrating black enslavement TODAY, you conveniently try to dance around that well-documented historical and CURRENT fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znsLAtNO40w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XzThnFyjG0

I dont agree with Saad on everything by a long shot, but he nails it when he calls you the anti-white version of anti-black racist Freedom2013 (formerly known as Tunney).

Tony1244 wrote:"Muslim Own Slaves Today And White & Black Liberals Are Silent"

Yeah, and Trump, Pence, and Paul Ryan discuss the above constantly.

Give your CRAP a rest.

This has NOTHING to do with Trump or any other politician. I bet you never even WATCHED the video. The black guys in the videos call out their fellow blacks (along with white liberals) for giving Arabs/Muslims a pass on ORIGINATING & PERPETUATING (even today) the enslavement of black Africans. Try actually WATCHING the videos and feel free to TRY discrediting any of their eloquent and factual statements by seriously challenging their individual points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vin5kzhHyxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-KAyW7pI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60CnFDm10c

If I watched every video someone wanted me to watch, all I'd do is watch videos.

I'll assume everything in it is 100% true. As someone said it has nothing to do with American politics. I know blacks have enslaved blacks. American politicians of all stripes have mentioned these atrocities on occasion, but there is nothing that can be done to stop it other than carpet bombing.

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

Nature vs nurture is a very interesting subject. An author, Malcolm Gladwell explains why some groups tend to be smarter or stronger; it has much to do with the group's history.

As a kid, I always believed black fighters were better especially in the heavier divisions. The collapse of the iron curtain showed us that this was nurture, not nature. Over 100 years ago there were excellent Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in America. Now, not so much.

Its a fascinating subject that really can't be discussed in the mainstream media because we'd be "stereotyping."

The nature of the posts submitted to this thread has organically veered away from bearing any fúckíng relevance whatsoever to the sport of boxing!

Enlightened-One wrote:The nature of the posts submitted to this thread has organically veered away from bearing any fúckíng relevance whatsoever to the sport of boxing!

That happens. A Foreman-Lyle post may drift to Lyle-Bonavena, to Bonavena killed at The Mustang Ranch, to hottest babes at the Mustang ranch.

Tony1244 wrote:

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

Nature vs nurture is a very interesting subject. An author, Malcolm Gladwell explains why some groups tend to be smarter or stronger; it has much to do with the group's history.

As a kid, I always believed black fighters were better especially in the heavier divisions. The collapse of the iron curtain showed us that this was nurture, not nature. Over 100 years ago there were excellent Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in America. Now, not so much.

Its a fascinating subject that really can't be discussed in the mainstream media because we'd be "stereotyping."

If you believe a stereotype about yourself it will manifest itself.. Faith can move mountains.. It's the placebo effect where the patient believes so strongly in the bogus treatment that he's actually cured.. As a child Warren Buffett told his brothers and sisters he would be world famous and very rich, and none of them would be, "because I'm so much smarter than any of you." If you have a goal and it drives you, you're lucky. If you don't know where you're going, and you don't feel driven to go anywhere, you'll end up nowhere.

Eastern European and UK boxers don't have the same stereotypes that American white men have about black athletes in general. It's also about culture. Boxers are stereotyped in the United States as coming from the underclass -- dank gyms in run down neighborhoods drawing desperately poor kids who have no other way out. You hear comments like, "Most kids I grew up with are either dead or in jail." Many parents don't want their kids associated with Boxing because of the stereotypes they've seen in a dozen boxing movies. There's also a mistrust between the races in the United States you don't feel in England.

The incarceration rate for black men in the United States is unbelievable. More than 50% of black men from some neighborhoods end up in prison. The Central African Republic, which is almost 100% black, has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the world -- however, despite its significant resources, such as uranium reserves, crude oil, gold, diamonds, cobalt, lumber, and hydropower, as well as significant quantities of arable land, the Central African Republic is among the ten poorest countries in the world. As of 2015, according to the Human Development Index, the CAR had the lowest level of human development, ranking 188th out of 188 countries. It's what people believe about themselves and their own potential that determines their future.

Tony1244 wrote:

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

Nature vs nurture is a very interesting subject. An author, Malcolm Gladwell explains why some groups tend to be smarter or stronger; it has much to do with the group's history.

As a kid, I always believed black fighters were better especially in the heavier divisions. The collapse of the iron curtain showed us that this was nurture, not nature. Over 100 years ago there were excellent Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in America. Now, not so much.

Its a fascinating subject that really can't be discussed in the mainstream media because we'd be "stereotyping."

"Stereotyping" AKA Political Correctness insists that a subject that could offend ANY group (racial, religious, etc) is strictly forbidden.

But to speak to your larger point, it should be mentioned that the common denominator of poverty as a motivating force in boxing applies to the Jewish, Irish and Italian ghetto dwellers of 100 years ago as well as blacks and Latinos in the past 4-5 decades. The rise of the black middle class as well as far-less brutal team sports opening up to blacks and Latinos (NBA, MLB, soccer) has lowered black participation by giving black/Latino youngsters a less-punishing way to prosper financially. It hasnt really played out yet among Mexicans because boxing is such a big part of the culture that economics doesnt play as much of a factor as other cultures. (To name just a few, Marco Antonio Barrera grew up in an upper-middle class home and Canelo Alvarez grew up riding horses on a vast Mexican country ranch.)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhcxa2 ... cing_sport

Best Coast wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

ValMar wrote:Some very strong stereotypes exist, here, where I live, on Balkan :

1. The Blacks are the strongest....
2. The Jews are the most intelligent...
3. The Balkaneros are the best fukcers....

Among the boxing fans, there is a prejudice that only the Black boxer is capable to be the genuine HW champion. There are some weight divisions for white guys (from MW to CW), and the rest is reserved for Latinos and Asian fighters, but noone (or nearly noone) cares for these divisions.

Do you think that similar opinions are usual in your countries/regions ?

Nature vs nurture is a very interesting subject. An author, Malcolm Gladwell explains why some groups tend to be smarter or stronger; it has much to do with the group's history.

As a kid, I always believed black fighters were better especially in the heavier divisions. The collapse of the iron curtain showed us that this was nurture, not nature. Over 100 years ago there were excellent Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in America. Now, not so much.

Its a fascinating subject that really can't be discussed in the mainstream media because we'd be "stereotyping."

"Stereotyping" AKA Political Correctness insists that a subject that could offend ANY group (racial, religious, etc) is strictly forbidden.

But to speak to your larger point, it should be mentioned that the common denominator of poverty as a motivating force in boxing applies to the Jewish, Irish and Italian ghetto dwellers of 100 years ago as well as blacks and Latinos in the past 4-5 decades. The rise of the black middle class as well as far-less brutal team sports opening up to blacks and Latinos (NBA, MLB, soccer) has lowered black participation by giving black/Latino youngsters a less-punishing way to prosper financially. It hasnt really played out yet among Mexicans because boxing is such a big part of the culture that economics doesnt play as much of a factor as other cultures. (To name just a few, Marco Antonio Barrera grew up in an upper-middle class home and Canelo Alvarez grew up riding horses on a vast Mexican country ranch.)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhcxa2 ... cing_sport

Interesting stuff there.

Didn't know that about Barrera and Canelo.

Tony1244 wrote:

Best Coast wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Nature vs nurture is a very interesting subject. An author, Malcolm Gladwell explains why some groups tend to be smarter or stronger; it has much to do with the group's history.

As a kid, I always believed black fighters were better especially in the heavier divisions. The collapse of the iron curtain showed us that this was nurture, not nature. Over 100 years ago there were excellent Jewish, Irish, and Italian fighters in America. Now, not so much.

Its a fascinating subject that really can't be discussed in the mainstream media because we'd be "stereotyping."

"Stereotyping" AKA Political Correctness insists that a subject that could offend ANY group (racial, religious, etc) is strictly forbidden.

But to speak to your larger point, it should be mentioned that the common denominator of poverty as a motivating force in boxing applies to the Jewish, Irish and Italian ghetto dwellers of 100 years ago as well as blacks and Latinos in the past 4-5 decades. The rise of the black middle class as well as far-less brutal team sports opening up to blacks and Latinos (NBA, MLB, soccer) has lowered black participation by giving black/Latino youngsters a less-punishing way to prosper financially. It hasnt really played out yet among Mexicans because boxing is such a big part of the culture that economics doesnt play as much of a factor as other cultures. (To name just a few, Marco Antonio Barrera grew up in an upper-middle class home and Canelo Alvarez grew up riding horses on a vast Mexican country ranch.)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhcxa2 ... cing_sport

Interesting stuff there.

Didn't know that about Barrera and Canelo.

There are numerous other Mexican fighters who didnt come to the sport to escape poverty but Barrera & Canelo are the best-known current examples of the fact that for Mexicans, boxing is more of a key part of the culture than it is an escape from poverty, now more than ever because the Mexican middle class is growing and less are impoverished.

With black folks, as with most cultures (Irish, Italians, Jews,etc) boxing was more an escape from poverty and with other less-punishing sports opening up to them in recent decades (NBA, MLB, NFL, etc) those sports now serve as a better (less brutal) escape from the ghetto than getting your head pounded in.

Latino or black dads don't foresee their kid getting his head pounded in.. They tend to envision their kid winning all his fights with fabulous mastery.

I've seen dozens of Dad's who drive their kids to the gym and sit there patiently and watch them for 2 hours while they work out... Then they drive back home for an hour.. That's 4 hours out of a dad's day so his life is work and Boxing.. The kid's life is school and Boxing..

That's a massive commitment and it almost always comes from Latino and black parents.. White parents and Asian parents drive their kid to figure skating lessons, gymnastics, diving, or other lessons their school doesn't offer.. They don't drive for an hour to take their kid to a boxing gym. I think it may be different in the UK, Ukraine, Russia, etc. but I'm not sure why that is.

12 pages?

Kalan wrote:White parents and Asian parents drive their kid to figure skating lessons, gymnastics, diving, or other lessons their school doesn't offer.. They don't drive for an hour to take their kid to a boxing gym.

I trust you mean white and Asian parents driving their FEMALE kids to figure skating & gymnastics. Otherwise you must live in a pretty strange neighborhood!!

99.9% of white boys are NOT into figure skating & gymnastics, but rather baseball, Pop Warner football, hockey, etc.

It's pretty safe to say that most black & brown kids who get into boxing dont have dads who can AFFORD to drive them an hour to a gym, if they have dads AT ALL. Most boxing gyms are in urban areas: ghettos and barrios, where kids often ride the bus or subway to the gym.

Of course if you live in Europe most of what I said may not apply, I'm talking about the US.

Best Coast wrote:99.9% of white boys are NOT into figure skating & gymnastics, but rather baseball, Pop Warner football, hockey, etc.

It's pretty safe to say that most black & brown kids who get into boxing dont have dads who can AFFORD to drive them an hour to a gym

Okay...somebody who stereotypes people according to color or their hobbies and interests.

The number of gay guys in Gymnastics is the same as in the general population.. Many people in MMA think boxers tend to be gay.. They think Leonard, Ali, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Cotto, Wladimir, Sergio, Joshua, Dillian, Hopkins, Golovkin, Lomachenko, Canelo, Sweet Pea, Emile Griffith, Michael Spinks, Cory Spinks, Leon Spinks, Nonito, Benvenuti, Winky Wright, Arce, Arguello, Jones, Tarver, Zab, Tim Bradley, Jeff Horn, Carl Frampton, Danny Garcia, Chocolatito, Erislandy Lara, Keith Thurman, Nicholas Walters... I hear constantly how somebody thinks this boxer or that boxer is gay or "He looks gay." It's like half of all boxers they think are gay. It's ridiculous.

It's like guys who like to dance.. Or the dancers on DWTS.. People think they're all gay.. Certain professions like Interior Designer... Hair dresser... Florist... Clothes designers... Ballet dancers... Anything that concentrates on form and artistic expression people think anyone doing that would have to be gay.. Kurt Thomas was a gymnast and their wasn't a gay bone in his body.. And maybe in the US white folks think all boxers are gay so they don't do it..

As far as blacks and Latino's not having dads who have good jobs??? There may be more unemployment in their communities, but very many kids of color have dads who have great jobs and can afford to drive here and there and everywhere -- and maybe the gym they want to go to -- that has a lot of champions and wins a lot of trophies -- is a long drive away.

Kalan wrote:

Best Coast wrote:99.9% of white boys are NOT into figure skating & gymnastics, but rather baseball, Pop Warner football, hockey, etc.

It's pretty safe to say that most black & brown kids who get into boxing dont have dads who can AFFORD to drive them an hour to a gym

Okay...somebody who stereotypes people according to color or their hobbies and interests.

The number of gay guys in Gymnastics is the same as in the general population.. Many people in MMA think boxers tend to be gay.. They think Leonard, Ali, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Cotto, Wladimir, Sergio, Joshua, Dillian, Hopkins, Golovkin, Lomachenko, Canelo, Sweet Pea, Emile Griffith, Michael Spinks, Cory Spinks, Leon Spinks, Nonito, Benvenuti, Winky Wright, Arce, Arguello, Jones, Tarver, Zab, Tim Bradley, Jeff Horn, Carl Frampton, Danny Garcia, Chocolatito, Erislandy Lara, Keith Thurman, Nicholas Walters... I hear constantly how somebody thinks this boxer or that boxer is gay or "He looks gay." It's like half of all boxers they think are gay. It's ridiculous.

It's like guys who like to dance.. Or the dancers on DWTS.. People think they're all gay.. Certain professions like Interior Designer... Hair dresser... Florist... Clothes designers... Ballet dancers... Anything that concentrates on form and artistic expression people think anyone doing that would have to be gay.. Kurt Thomas was a gymnast and their wasn't a gay bone in his body.. And maybe in the US white folks think all boxers are gay so they don't do it..

As far as blacks and Latino's not having dads who have good jobs??? There may be more unemployment in their communities, but very many kids of color have dads who have great jobs and can afford to drive here and there and everywhere -- and maybe the gym they want to go to -- that has a lot of champions and wins a lot of trophies -- is a long drive away.

Emile Griffith is/was gay.

People do tend to believe all male florists or ballet dancers are gay. Whenever you hear the word "all" in a sentence the statement is usually wrong. A straight male ballet dancer would make out like a bandit.

Griffith was as gay as Liberace...

But it gets ridiculous. If you're good looking and have a very fit physique... have real good teeth, shave your face, comb your hair, and get a regular haircut...and dress well in clothes that fit, a lot of people think you're gay.. Gay people think you're gay.. Girls think you're gay unless you flirt with them, make passes at them, and fk them.. but then you might be bisexual right??? ... If you're too damned perfect you gotta be gay, so you better fart, belch, swear, spit, brag, rowdy it up, dress poorly, be sloppy and untidy, get drunk, and do other manly things that frustrate women to death.

That's why guys scuff their shoes, take 2 seconds to comb their hair, wear stubble on their face, wear loose fitting clothes that are falling down, leer and make Trumpish remarks at women, and otherwise assert their "could GAF less" masculinity.. Gotta be boorish, oafish, rude and uncouth -- all because somebody at sometime thought you were gay.. That might be overstating it -- but I do think the fear of being taken for gay plays a part in male behavior today.

Tony1244 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Best Coast wrote:99.9% of white boys are NOT into figure skating & gymnastics, but rather baseball, Pop Warner football, hockey, etc.

It's pretty safe to say that most black & brown kids who get into boxing dont have dads who can AFFORD to drive them an hour to a gym

Okay...somebody who stereotypes people according to color or their hobbies and interests.

The number of gay guys in Gymnastics is the same as in the general population.. Many people in MMA think boxers tend to be gay.. They think Leonard, Ali, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Cotto, Wladimir, Sergio, Joshua, Dillian, Hopkins, Golovkin, Lomachenko, Canelo, Sweet Pea, Emile Griffith, Michael Spinks, Cory Spinks, Leon Spinks, Nonito, Benvenuti, Winky Wright, Arce, Arguello, Jones, Tarver, Zab, Tim Bradley, Jeff Horn, Carl Frampton, Danny Garcia, Chocolatito, Erislandy Lara, Keith Thurman, Nicholas Walters... I hear constantly how somebody thinks this boxer or that boxer is gay or "He looks gay." It's like half of all boxers they think are gay. It's ridiculous.

It's like guys who like to dance.. Or the dancers on DWTS.. People think they're all gay.. Certain professions like Interior Designer... Hair dresser... Florist... Clothes designers... Ballet dancers... Anything that concentrates on form and artistic expression people think anyone doing that would have to be gay.. Kurt Thomas was a gymnast and their wasn't a gay bone in his body.. And maybe in the US white folks think all boxers are gay so they don't do it..

As far as blacks and Latino's not having dads who have good jobs??? There may be more unemployment in their communities, but very many kids of color have dads who have great jobs and can afford to drive here and there and everywhere -- and maybe the gym they want to go to -- that has a lot of champions and wins a lot of trophies -- is a long drive away.

Emile Griffith is/was gay.

People do tend to believe all male florists or ballet dancers are gay. Whenever you hear the word "all" in a sentence the statement is usually wrong. A straight male ballet dancer would make out like a bandit.

It is very difficult to check, but I think that there are (were) very few gay-boxers.....It is off topic, again.

ValMar wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Okay...somebody who stereotypes people according to color or their hobbies and interests.

The number of gay guys in Gymnastics is the same as in the general population.. Many people in MMA think boxers tend to be gay.. They think Leonard, Ali, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Cotto, Wladimir, Sergio, Joshua, Dillian, Hopkins, Golovkin, Lomachenko, Canelo, Sweet Pea, Emile Griffith, Michael Spinks, Cory Spinks, Leon Spinks, Nonito, Benvenuti, Winky Wright, Arce, Arguello, Jones, Tarver, Zab, Tim Bradley, Jeff Horn, Carl Frampton, Danny Garcia, Chocolatito, Erislandy Lara, Keith Thurman, Nicholas Walters... I hear constantly how somebody thinks this boxer or that boxer is gay or "He looks gay." It's like half of all boxers they think are gay. It's ridiculous.

It's like guys who like to dance.. Or the dancers on DWTS.. People think they're all gay.. Certain professions like Interior Designer... Hair dresser... Florist... Clothes designers... Ballet dancers... Anything that concentrates on form and artistic expression people think anyone doing that would have to be gay.. Kurt Thomas was a gymnast and their wasn't a gay bone in his body.. And maybe in the US white folks think all boxers are gay so they don't do it..

As far as blacks and Latino's not having dads who have good jobs??? There may be more unemployment in their communities, but very many kids of color have dads who have great jobs and can afford to drive here and there and everywhere -- and maybe the gym they want to go to -- that has a lot of champions and wins a lot of trophies -- is a long drive away.

Emile Griffith is/was gay.

People do tend to believe all male florists or ballet dancers are gay. Whenever you hear the word "all" in a sentence the statement is usually wrong. A straight male ballet dancer would make out like a bandit.

It is very difficult to check, but I think that there are (were) very few gay-boxers.....It is off topic, again.

Griffith said he went both ways. Could never stay on topic, ask my teachers or bosses.

Kalan wrote:Griffith was as gay as Liberace...

But it gets ridiculous. If you're good looking and have a very fit physique... have real good teeth, shave your face, comb your hair, and get a regular haircut...and dress well in clothes that fit, a lot of people think you're gay.. Gay people think you're gay.. Girls think you're gay unless you flirt with them, make passes at them, and fk them.. but then you might be bisexual right??? ... If you're too damned perfect you gotta be gay, so you better fart, belch, swear, spit, brag, rowdy it up, dress poorly, be sloppy and untidy, get drunk, and do other manly things that frustrate women to death.

That's why guys scuff their shoes, take 2 seconds to comb their hair, wear stubble on their face, wear loose fitting clothes that are falling down, leer and make Trumpish remarks at women, and otherwise assert their "could GAF less" masculinity.. Gotta be boorish, oafish, rude and uncouth -- all because somebody at sometime thought you were gay.. That might be overstating it -- but I do think the fear of being taken for gay plays a part in male behavior today.

Interesting...

of course there are gays who are boorish and well dressed straight guys who like theater. Some women are attracted to boorish, some attracted to what they used to call Fancy Dans.

There was a thread here a while back, complaining how effeminate men are these days. But effeminate is a subjective term. Some straight guys wear pink or bright yellow clothes and its considered "Preppy" not gay. To my generation, matching gold earrings are gay, but if I told Antonio Tarver that, he'd leave me in a garbage can somewhere.

If boxrec moves part of this this thread to "Off Topic," no one would blame ya.