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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 12:05
by jamamb
i dont know, like if mikey beat up loma, who is small at lw, i still think thats very limited in what it tells us about how hes doing vs a big strong top 147 pounder like spence
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 12:18
by SenorPipino
If he fought and beat Loma it would tell us more about Garcia's level.
We can only wonder if he's just a very very good fighter, or a true elite, potential #1 P4P boxer?
Maybe an elite lightweight/junior welter can beat Spence.
But can a very very good fighter do it?
It wasn't totally shocking to see a proven icon like Duran move up and beat Leonard (and I'm aware that Duran had fought several welters beforehand).
But few would expect Garcia to pull it off. He hasn't yet clearly shown that he's a great fighter.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 12:30
by IKSRTFO
jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 12:05
i dont know, like if mikey beat up loma, who is small at lw, i still think thats very limited in what it tells us about how hes doing vs a big strong top 147 pounder like spence
It would make a better case for what he can do/how great he is just like Floyd triumphing Corrales gave us a glimpse of his potential for greatness. Just like if Spence beat the guys I mentioned, no one would pick Mikey, but there's still question marks about Spence also.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 12:36
by ironbeard
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 12:18
If he fought and beat Loma it would tell us more about Garcia's level.
We can only wonder if he's just a very very good fighter, or a true elite, potential #1 P4P boxer?
Maybe an elite lightweight/junior welter can beat Spence.
But can a very very good fighter do it?
It wasn't totally shocking to see a proven icon like Duran move up and beat Leonard (and I'm aware that Duran had fought several welters beforehand).
But few would expect Garcia to pull it off. He hasn't yet clearly shown that he's a great fighter.
Lomassiah v Mikey was never happening. Can we at least give credit where credit is due that a modern day boxer is willing to take the toughest of challenges to determine his legacy?
If Mikey wins this fight by anything but obvious robbery, he will have clearly proven that he is a great fighter, and he will assume the P4P #1 position without question.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 13:01
by The Asleep Lamps
Mikey could win in defeat if he does better than expected, but that is the best I am expecting from him. I'm not going against the favorite here. I picked safely, Spence by decision.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 19:53
by sturm vogel
Wondering if Mikey is having trouble making 135 now anyway?
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 22:07
by diddy
lol at how many people think Garcia can win this fight. He’s TOO SMALL. And not fast enough to negate the size-strength difference. Spence will win and it won’t be very close. Garcia’s ceiling is 140. Not the cream of the crop of 147. Sure there are several guys at 147 he can beat. Their names aren’t Spence or Crawford.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 01:30
by KiwiRider
diddy wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 22:07
lol at how many people think Garcia can win this fight. He’s TOO SMALL. And not fast enough to negate the size-strength difference. Spence will win and it won’t be very close. Garcia’s ceiling is 140. Not the cream of the crop of 147. Sure there are several guys at 147 he can beat. Their names aren’t Spence or Crawford.
Least he's giving it a go.
But your right, there are better fights he could have chased. I originally thought he might be cashing out.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2018
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 07:44
by siablo14
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 05:18
caldo2025 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 04:44 Speaking of scandalous statements, that’s all you did yet again with this rubbish which is once again all wrong. Conte is not a co-founder of VADA. He’s the founder of BALCO ,
you dope. 2 very different organizations.
Who's the dope now kid?
Well done, Sir!
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 09:46
by PUGLET
Can anyone speak to “comparisons” in history to this fight?
Is it more/most like:
Spinks vs Tyson
Curry vs McCallum
Armstrong vs Robinson
Rigondeaux vs Crawford
Trinidad vs Hopkins
For some odd reason I also thought of Tzyz vs Judah.... not that it had to do with weight, but more skill set/power/chin... but really mixed.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 09:55
by IKSRTFO
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:46
Can anyone speak to “comparisons” in history to this fight?
Is it more/most like:
Spinks vs Tyson
Curry vs McCallum
Armstrong vs Robinson
Rigondeaux vs Crawford
Trinidad vs Hopkins
For some odd reason I also thought of Tzyz vs Judah.... not that it had to do with weight, but more skill set/power/chin... but really mixed.
More like Hagler vs Duran
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 09:58
by PUGLET
That is a fantastic comparison....
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 10:03
by PUGLET
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 10:07
by SenorPipino
Duran vs Leonard?
Top lightweight vs elite welterweight.
Duran however had fought several bouts at welterweight prior to the Leonard bout, including a decision over ex champ Carlos Palomino.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 11:42
by IKSRTFO
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 11:54
by SenorPipino
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:42
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Duran was a fighter for the ages, however.
No one is yet putting Garcia on that lofty pedestal.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 12:25
by IKSRTFO
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:54
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:42
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Duran was a fighter for the ages, however.
No one is yet putting Garcia on that lofty pedestal.
But the same thing you said applies to Spence. Hagler was an ATG.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 13:12
by ezhmael
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:46
Can anyone speak to “comparisons” in history to this fight?
Is it more/most like:
Spinks vs Tyson
Curry vs McCallum
Armstrong vs Robinson
Rigondeaux vs Crawford
Trinidad vs Hopkins
For some odd reason I also thought of Tzyz vs Judah.... not that it had to do with weight, but more skill set/power/chin... but really mixed.
I think you're referring to Rigo vs Loma
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 13:14
by Duran1970
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:42
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Duran started out as a junior feather
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 13:50
by ezhmael
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 12:30
jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 12:05
i dont know, like if mikey beat up loma, who is small at lw, i still think thats very limited in what it tells us about how hes doing vs a big strong top 147 pounder like spence
It would make a better case for what he can do/how great he is just like Floyd triumphing Corrales gave us a glimpse of his potential for greatness. Just like if Spence beat the guys I mentioned, no one would pick Mikey, but there's still question marks about Spence also.
I have high hopes on him but I wish would not be like his brother vs chico back on the days.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 13:53
by PUGLET
Chin of Garcia vs chin of Duran..... THAT is a stretch, forget about skills.
Aside from that... didn’t bring that up, simply because of “GREATNESS vs VERY, VERY GOOD””:
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 14:00
by SenorPipino
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 12:25
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:54
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:42
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Duran was a fighter for the ages, however.
No one is yet putting Garcia on that lofty pedestal.
But the same thing you said applies to Spence. Hagler was an ATG.
You're probably right. Honestly, I don't know what my point was, but it made sense at the time
Garcia-Spence is a budget Hagler-Leonard.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 14:22
by IKSRTFO
Duran1970 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 13:14
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 11:42
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 10:03
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 09:58
That is a fantastic comparison....
... although methinks outcome WILL NOT be comparable:
:very difficult fight in history to judge vs 2/3 round stoppage!
Sure it can happen, but they also believed that about Hagler Duran. Hagler was knocking everyone out/being avoided and many thought he'd do that to Duran also. Duran started out as a lightweight fighting a middleweight. Garcia started at featherweight and he's fighting a welterweight.
Duran started out as a junior feather
That even makes my point even more. The weight Garcia and Spence started at are 21lbs away, even less as amateurs. Duran started 40lbs away from career 160 Hagler.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 14:24
by IKSRTFO
PUGLET wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 13:53
Chin of Garcia vs chin of Duran..... THAT is a stretch, forget about skills.
Aside from that... didn’t bring that up, simply because of “GREATNESS vs VERY, VERY GOOD””:
Just like the comparison of Hagler and Spence. Both Duran and Hagler are great. Both Spence and Garcia are good with the potential to be great.
Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 14:37
by Thomastearns
To get up there with the likes of Duran both Garcia and Spence will need to demonstrate similar levels of being at home inside a boxing ring that Duran often displayed.
I don't think he was remotely scared of anyone he faced.