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jamamb wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 14:13 thats the thing when ppl go on about wilder fighting heavier guys, a large part of it is that he just happens to be in shape rather then being a fat tit of a man

ironbeard wrote: ↑07 May 2019, 14:51 I don’t really like Wilder, but people are overboard in their criticisms.

Wilder does not have elite boxing skills, but he is better than most give him credit for.

Wilder does not have a great resume but he has fought Ortiz and Fury and is about to fight Breazeale who has only lost to AJ.

Wilder has obviously been brought along slowly for equally obvious reasons; he had precious little amateur experience, he was raw. How many fights did Alvarez have before he got going? How about JCC? He is far from the first fighter who has been brought along slowly / very protected.

I have always said that he is a preying mantis on ice waiting to happen, but he has proved me wrong up to now. He has great heart, which got him through the Ortiz ordeal and earned him a draw v Fury.

Wilder is the most exciting HW on the planet currently. Every minute of every fight is tense due to his ability to end it as well as his vulnerability.

Fury is a great HW boxer, but his fights, besides v Wilder are generally snoozers.

AJ is the king but few of his fights entail much drama besides what round or if he will KTFO his opponents.

AJ v Fury would be huge but not as anticipated as AJ v Wilder.

Why? Because Wilder could KTFO AJ, while Fury’s only legit avenue to the W would be another borefest.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑25 May 2019, 14:54 I agree with most of what you have said. It is not an unreasonable post.

However, a few things I will pull you up on.

Wilder was 23 when he made his pro debut, off the back of the Beijing Olympics (35 amateur bouts). You'd be forgiven for bringing him through slowly, and maybe him fighting Stiverne for the WBC crown in his 33rd fight was a nice conservative approach. Wilder then proceeded to feel his way through drab opponent after drab opponent. Now he either has zero ambition, or he has zero belief in himself to take on a real fighter. And please, do not use Ortiz and Fury as some kind of hollow justification for ambition. Ortiz was 39 years old and Fury was coming off the back of a 4 year lay off. Cherry picked opponents? And let us not forget Wilder was incredibly lucky that the referee did not step in and stop the fight when Ortiz had him hanging on the ropes...

Why in 40 fights has he only ever fought for the WBC title? Does he not want any of the other belts?

candyslim wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 03:34 Well I picked Wilder to win but I still feel stupid enough for thinking Breazeale had an outside chance.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 12:02 Dont feel bad. I'm a member of some other forums some hate Wilder so much the polls showed Breazeale favored in the fight.
There are some fighters I'm not fond of. But I try to be objective in making predictions.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 12:42 People will pick who they want to win rather than who they think will.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 12:42 People will pick who they want to win rather than who they think will.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 12:02 Dont feel bad. I'm a member of some other forums some hate Wilder so much the polls showed Breazeale favored in the fight.
There are some fighters I'm not fond of. But I try to be objective in making predictions.

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 14:58 wilder was overwhelmingly picked here though, lets be real, of course pretty much any fight you can find wacky predictions

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 15:00 i wonder which forums those are, everwhere ive been the large majority thought wilder was gonna ktfo him. wouldnt have expected this fight to turn into something about how lots picked breazeale

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 12:42 People will pick who they want to win rather than who they think will.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 17:20 Not true.

I dislike Canelo fairly passionately, but have backed him in most of his recent fights (only backed GGG against him).

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 17:35 Well, I didn’t mean everyone.

Some people just probably feel better picking their guy. Because deep down they may believe ‘he can do it’.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 17:37 Perhaps in a 50:50, but this fight was far from 50:50.

Anyone backing Breazeale before that fight probably wants their head testing.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 17:52 I'd have been almost as shocked as Tyson/Douglas. A glacier slow guy with no defense is going to struggle using toughness to beat wilder. Proverbial punchers chance.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 17:58 Always a punchers chance, but 1% is always going to be 1%.

stevec@france wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 14:56 That " fight " had a whiff of fix to me

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 20:49 Not again

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 20:49 Not again

stevec@france wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 14:56 That " fight " had a whiff of fix to me