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Loftgroov wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:34 Warrington could struggle to be the same fighter after a beating like that. REKT.

His old man telling him "you'll come again ".
I don't know either , bad beating and something looked off from the first bell .

No Adam Booth fan but he was brilliant tonight.

As for Hearn. Gave the bollocks about only caring for Warringtons health whilst mentioning twice that they have a contracted rematch.

What a business.

All these years Howard has been slaughtered for stopping Groves too early now he's boobed badly by letting Warrington go on too long although his dad needs to have a word with himself

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:35

gb wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:34

skanksta wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:29

He beat Kiko, Selby, Frampton and swatted aside a Euro champ in 2.
He wasn't right tonight - he IS (was?) very good.

I agree that he has been very good, but only Frampton was genuinely world class out of that lot.

who would you rate clearly above him prior to tonght?

even most world ranked fighters havent beaten more than a couple of other world rankers at best

I would definitely say Russell (compare the Martinez results). On reflection maybe he was top couple, but in a bit of a thin division.

garethhop wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:39 No Adam Booth fan but he was brilliant tonight.

As for Hearn. Gave the bollocks about only caring for Warringtons health whilst mentioning twice that they have a contracted rematch.

What a business.

A sport run by scumbags where the ones who put their lives on the line are exploited by the twattts in suits, that daddys boy needs a fckin slap

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:35 Adam Booth is a bit of a weirdo, but he does bring some welcome sensible analysis to Sky Sports.

Agree with this. Once he’s gets over what looks like sheer disdain for every question he’s asked, he gives interesting, measured answers.

Although the bit about “score cards don’t matter when the right man wins” was nonsense.

chris123 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:41

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:35 Adam Booth is a bit of a weirdo, but he does bring some welcome sensible analysis to Sky Sports.

Agree with this. Once he’s gets over what looks like sheer disdain for every question he’s asked, he gives interesting, measured answers.

Although the bit about “score cards don’t matter when the right man wins” was nonsense.

Especially when the right man didn't win .

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:38

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:37

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:35

who would you rate clearly above him prior to tonght?

even most world ranked fighters havent beaten more than a couple of other world rankers at best

Gary Russell Jr is surely the #1 by some distance...even if he is a lazy annoying, inactive bastard!

oh ya, agreee, and then though?

I'd have said Warrington was #2 TBH

But there wasn't a lot between him and Galahad (plenty felt he got lucky there), and not MUCH separated him from Xu IMO, would be fair to Emanuel Navarrete would likely have been favoured Vs him, though fully understand having Warrington higher.

It's a really fornicating weird division TBF, a lot of talent on the bubble (Galahad, Villa, Maruta, Ramirez, Nyambayar and Magsayo) but no one other than Russell has really managed to distance himself from the rest.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:32

maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:23

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:10

i dont buy that, maybe could make a marginal difference, but we're talking like 98-2 when it comes to the house fighter getting the benefit of this supposed incompetence over the other guy

well actutally, the 'less shit' point, if judges are giving it to one guy because he's more favoured, that 's not just incompetence either, that's very very shady

What else could it be then? The promoter doesn’t appoint the judges, the board does. So has Eddie bribed Robert Smith to get the judges he wants? Or does he have all the judges in his back pocket?

I agree my argument makes them very very shady but I still think it’s incompetence because they don’t want to upset the status quo so take the ‘easy’ decision.

i think there is for sure some element of corruption, some extra incentive being provided for the judges to go for the homeboi, which they constantly do to a hugely disporportionate degree. it doesnt have to necessarily be bags of cash and all that, and im not specifically saying your man eddeh's behind it

and i mean, having a predetermined unfair bias to score in favour of someone simply because you know theyre more popular is for sure corruption too, it's not being a poor judge who cant tell a clean hit from a swing and a miss

There may be nice hotels/meals/drinks for judges but I’d be amazed if there’s anything more formal than that and if it was happening with one promoter then I’d maybe expect more to it but it’s all promoters. I listened to an interview with Jon Pegg the other day. One judge had the Eggington vs Theophane fight level after 6 rounds (Theophane was promoter’s fighter at that point).

Corruption involves someone gaining from doing something which I don’t think this is and may not even be pre-determined but if they’re mulling over who to give a round to the vast majority of the time they go for the ‘easy’ option. Whether you call it corruption or incompetence or whatever it needs addressing and needs to stop.

Best fight card so far this year!

Got to say the sportsmanship seen tonight was fantastic to see .
I thought Lara was taking the piss at Warrington sprawled on the canvas , but was actually saying he needed medical attention .

rhino222 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 17:14 If Warrington walks onto one tonight and gets beat, where does he go? I dont think he will walk straight into a world title shot again.

It was a very very strange decision to vacate the title, with no real reason. If he loses tonight he may well end up in the wilderness for a while.

Ill be giving national lottery winning numbers out for next weeks draw,

Eddie hearn masterclass. We've seen this story so many times. He should stop using boxrec to match his fighters and actually look at footage/style match ups. This is a disaster that did not need to happen lazy promoter who has bo clue about match making.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:46 Best fight card so far this year!

Was a cracking night / day of boxing on the whole , if you take the judging out of it

rhino222 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:48

rhino222 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 17:14 If Warrington walks onto one tonight and gets beat, where does he go? I dont think he will walk straight into a world title shot again.

It was a very very strange decision to vacate the title, with no real reason. If he loses tonight he may well end up in the wilderness for a while.

Ill be giving national lottery winning numbers out for next weeks draw,

Nah , you were miles out , he walked into about a hundred .

Tough one for Warrington, probably going to be some long term effects from that. Fighting on while concussed and then getting knocked out is a recipe for disaster. I didn't think much of his corner, and the legs never did come back did they. I'm not sure what they where watching.

I don't like it when a fighter is sent out round after round to try and pull of a miracle. Save them for another day, especially in fights like this where it is obvious something isn't right.

rd350lc wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:46 Best fight card so far this year!

Was a cracking night / day of boxing on the whole , if you take the judging out of it

Its a sunny Sunday arvo here, and it was well worth watching.
Now my bike beckons

I’m not sure I buy all this inactivity & no crowd as reasons he lost.

Did the commentators not watch Warrington against Kiko & Amagassa? Both heavy handed & gave him hard fights. Kiko arguably beat him & Amagassa was hard done to on the cards.

He’s always struggled with punchers. It wasn’t that he didn’t ‘look right’ it’s that he got clocked in the first minute & knew that he was in a lot of trouble if he fought with his usual in your face relentless style & then he never recovered from getting hurt in round 4 (he should’ve been stopped / pulled out).

I’m a fan of Warrington, I’ve gone to watch him several times but he does have weaknesses. He hasn’t all of a sudden got beat because he didn’t have a crowd backing him. I just hope we get honesty & we get ‘I underestimated him & expected to blast him out of there but he was a lot better & hit harder than I expected & I never recovered from been hurt’ rather than 6 months of Sky’s pundits saying he didn’t look right on his way to the ring like they did after Ruiz upset AJ.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:52

rd350lc wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:46 Best fight card so far this year!

Was a cracking night / day of boxing on the whole , if you take the judging out of it

Its a sunny Sunday arvo here, and it was well worth watching.
Now my bike beckons

Not at all jealous , been minus whatever for what seems like weeks now .
NZ looks like a beautiful place .

Blueprint wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:48 Eddie hearn masterclass. We've seen this story so many times. He should stop using boxrec to match his fighters and actually look at footage/style match ups. This is a disaster that did not need to happen lazy promoter who has bo clue about match making.

Disaster that did not need to happen?? You saying they should just give him fodder to fight?

I wanna see real fights and this was a real fight. Mexican was one tough hombre.

He'll be having nightmares about Lara for the rest of his life. He'll never go near Lara again. There will be no rematch. They said that fight was a tune up. Well he will need a few tune ups now.

Hearn to sign Lara..

maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:46

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:32

maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 19:23

What else could it be then? The promoter doesn’t appoint the judges, the board does. So has Eddie bribed Robert Smith to get the judges he wants? Or does he have all the judges in his back pocket?

I agree my argument makes them very very shady but I still think it’s incompetence because they don’t want to upset the status quo so take the ‘easy’ decision.

i think there is for sure some element of corruption, some extra incentive being provided for the judges to go for the homeboi, which they constantly do to a hugely disporportionate degree. it doesnt have to necessarily be bags of cash and all that, and im not specifically saying your man eddeh's behind it

and i mean, having a predetermined unfair bias to score in favour of someone simply because you know theyre more popular is for sure corruption too, it's not being a poor judge who cant tell a clean hit from a swing and a miss

There may be nice hotels/meals/drinks for judges but I’d be amazed if there’s anything more formal than that and if it was happening with one promoter then I’d maybe expect more to it but it’s all promoters. I listened to an interview with Jon Pegg the other day. One judge had the Eggington vs Theophane fight level after 6 rounds (Theophane was promoter’s fighter at that point).

Corruption involves someone gaining from doing something which I don’t think this is and may not even be pre-determined but if they’re mulling over who to give a round to the vast majority of the time they go for the ‘easy’ option. Whether you call it corruption or incompetence or whatever it needs addressing and needs to stop.

I think you’re probably right about no money changing hands but I think it’s obvious that they favour British fighters & to be honest who can blame them? The more British fighters doing well means more shows, more opportunities to ref & judge. Why would they not favour a countryman if they know they won’t be punished?

Foster for examples from Doncaster. Warrington’s from just up the road in Leeds & regularly trains & spars in Doncaster. I’d imagine there’s a good chance they know each other outside of just fight nights & even if they don’t there’s probably a lot of natural supporting your neighbour type bias from Foster.

We all know there’s no way Lara survives that round if roles are reversed

Shocking that his corner let him get knocked out like that. Clearly Foster should have stoped it, but when he wouldnt stop it, they should.

Could be a career changer that beating. he was simply outgunned. Showed balls and heart but he was beaten up fair and square.