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Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 09:57
by jwfg
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:44
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:32
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:24
Perhaps don’t believe everything you hear. If probably the most well known active boxer in the world has ‘adverse findings’ and is out of the sport due to that then it would be more common knowledge than just hearsay.
When was it common knowledge that he failed the Hammer test?
Something like 15 months after it happened. I still don’t believe how he could fail a test for Hammer and then still fight Klitschko.
I don’t believe that these supposed silent bans that some people talk about on Twitter are a thing. What kind of test has supposedly failed and who’s suspended him?
There are plenty of failed tests that don't come to light. Fury is riding it out due to a technicality. By early next year, he'll be able to have a sanctioned fight again under proper boxing rules.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 10:14
by maverick23
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:57
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:44
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:32
When was it common knowledge that he failed the Hammer test?
Something like 15 months after it happened. I still don’t believe how he could fail a test for Hammer and then still fight Klitschko.
I don’t believe that these supposed silent bans that some people talk about on Twitter are a thing. What kind of test has supposedly failed and who’s suspended him?
There are plenty of failed tests that don't come to light. Fury is riding it out due to a technicality. By early next year, he'll be able to have a sanctioned fight again under proper boxing rules.
I think we’ve been through this before.
How do you know there are plenty of failed tests that haven’t come to light? Do you have one concrete example of a fighter that’s failed a test that hasn’t come to light yet?
What’s the technicality that Fury has?
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 12:33
by jwfg
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 10:14
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:57
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:44
Something like 15 months after it happened. I still don’t believe how he could fail a test for Hammer and then still fight Klitschko.
I don’t believe that these supposed silent bans that some people talk about on Twitter are a thing. What kind of test has supposedly failed and who’s suspended him?
There are plenty of failed tests that don't come to light. Fury is riding it out due to a technicality. By early next year, he'll be able to have a sanctioned fight again under proper boxing rules.
I think we’ve been through this before.
How do you know there are plenty of failed tests that haven’t come to light? Do you have one concrete example of a fighter that’s failed a test that hasn’t come to light yet?
What’s the technicality that Fury has?
Fury's didn't come to light for the first 14 months. He was allowed to fight Klitschko fight. Ask yourself why that didn't come to light? He failed a test for one of Fwank's shows and UKADA didn't release publicly. Why? Because boxing is corrupt.
Concrete proof? Oscar Rivas failed a test in the buildup to the Whyte fight and it only came to light when Whyte failed.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 12:41
by maverick23
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:33
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 10:14
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:57
There are plenty of failed tests that don't come to light. Fury is riding it out due to a technicality. By early next year, he'll be able to have a sanctioned fight again under proper boxing rules.
I think we’ve been through this before.
How do you know there are plenty of failed tests that haven’t come to light? Do you have one concrete example of a fighter that’s failed a test that hasn’t come to light yet?
What’s the technicality that Fury has?
Fury's didn't come to light for the first 14 months. He was allowed to fight Klitschko fight. Ask yourself why that didn't come to light? He failed a test for one of Fwank's shows and UKADA didn't release publicly. Why? Because boxing is corrupt.
Concrete proof? Oscar Rivas failed a test in the buildup to the Whyte fight and it only came to light when Whyte failed.
None of that answered my questions re: Fury supposedly failing a test in the last 12 months or fighters having bans that haven’t come to light.
I agree it was stupid how long it took for Fury’s failure several years ago to come to light. My understanding is that it was due to a backlog with UKAD.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 12:46
by jwfg
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:41
[I agree it was stupid how long it took
Stupid? No. Corrupt? Yes.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 12:50
by jwfg
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:41
[I agree it was stupid how long it took
Stupid? No. Corrupt? Yes.
Regarding the failed Hammer test....
"UKAD will not discuss or disclose details of any cases until due legal process has been completed”
Now, if you were the boxer involved, would you.......
A. Comply with the legal process.
B. Get your lawyers to delay, delay, delay.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 12:53
by maverick23
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:41
[I agree it was stupid how long it took
Stupid? No. Corrupt? Yes.
I don’t know the facts so can’t comment on whether it was corrupt. From what I read it was due to UKAD being under resourced and having a massive backlog on testing.
Anyway, back to present day Fury. What test did he fail? UKAD? VADA? Another? What’s the technicality that you mentioned?
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 14:34
by jwfg
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:53
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:46
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:41
[I agree it was stupid how long it took
Stupid? No. Corrupt? Yes.
I don’t know the facts so can’t comment on whether it was corrupt. From what I read it was due to UKAD being under resourced and having a massive backlog on testing.
Anyway, back to present day Fury. What test did he fail? UKAD? VADA? Another? What’s the technicality that you mentioned?
He failed a PED test. silly. I wasn't told the agency, Which technicality? Delay, delay, delay.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 14:43
by maverick23
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 14:34
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:53
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:46
Stupid? No. Corrupt? Yes.
I don’t know the facts so can’t comment on whether it was corrupt. From what I read it was due to UKAD being under resourced and having a massive backlog on testing.
Anyway, back to present day Fury. What test did he fail? UKAD? VADA? Another? What’s the technicality that you mentioned?
He failed a PED test. silly. I wasn't told the agency, Which technicality? Delay, delay, delay.
So you’ve been told he failed a PED test and is delaying the results coming out. Unless it’s from an excellent source I’d be inclined to not believe it.
So if he’s delaying the case being heard then why announce a fight with Usyk? Also after the way Warren’s gone after Eddie with the Benn stuff, I can’t see him doing that aggressively when he’s got a ticking time bomb on his hands.
Was the test failure in relation to the Chisora fight? Assume that will be made a no-contest if so.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 14:49
by jwfg
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 14:43
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 14:34
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:53
I don’t know the facts so can’t comment on whether it was corrupt. From what I read it was due to UKAD being under resourced and having a massive backlog on testing.
Anyway, back to present day Fury. What test did he fail? UKAD? VADA? Another? What’s the technicality that you mentioned?
He failed a PED test. silly. I wasn't told the agency, Which technicality? Delay, delay, delay.
So you’ve been told he failed a PED test and is delaying the results coming out. Unless it’s from an excellent source I’d be inclined to not believe it.
So if he’s delaying the case being heard then why announce a fight with Usyk? Also after the way Warren’s gone after Eddie with the Benn stuff, I can’t see him doing that aggressively when he’s got a ticking time bomb on his hands.
Was the test failure in relation to the Chisora fight? Assume that will be made a no-contest if so.
If you don't believe me, don't believe me.
Just to clarify, unless this is 'leaked' to the media, Fury will never be punished. Make of that what you will.
Even if it does come out, there won't be a no contest. His fight with Hammer wasn't.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 15:05
by polecateddy
Do UKAD just agree to keep it confidential, or has Fury’s legal team taken out a super-injunction on UKAD to keep it quiet?
Re: Fury vs Ngannou - If you seek you shall find.
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 15:52
by quickeyg
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 12:33
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 10:14
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 09:57
There are plenty of failed tests that don't come to light. Fury is riding it out due to a technicality. By early next year, he'll be able to have a sanctioned fight again under proper boxing rules.
I think we’ve been through this before.
How do you know there are plenty of failed tests that haven’t come to light? Do you have one concrete example of a fighter that’s failed a test that hasn’t come to light yet?
What’s the technicality that Fury has?
Fury's didn't come to light for the first 14 months. He was allowed to fight Klitschko fight. Ask yourself why that didn't come to light? He failed a test for one of Fwank's shows and UKADA didn't release publicly. Why? Because boxing is corrupt.
Concrete proof? Oscar Rivas failed a test in the buildup to the Whyte fight and it only came to light when Whyte failed.
Oscar Rivas never failed a test - Spencer Fearon put out some propaganda.
We all know Dillian Whyte failed tests were covered up - Rivas's team were never informed.
As for Tyson Fury he was framed by that secret society for speaking up about j*ws, g*ys and devil worshippers - there are 33rd degree freemasons in many levels of society including sports.
This secret society planned and carried out recent wars (false flag attacks)
Call themselves 'illuminati'
Number 1 rule is - to tell you what they do, before they do it.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 16:09
by emallini
This fight is dirt
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 16:29
by quickeyg
Knowledge is power.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 16:30
by big lennox
emallini wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 16:09
This fight is dirt
Absolutely. It's shameful to pit a Heavyweight Champion against an aged non boxer who has never boxed.
The only thing I hope is that the fighters on the undercard take the opportunity to really impress a wide audience.
I sincerely hope that Fury vs Uysk, with a date and venue, is formally announced immediately afterwards. Otherwise, Furys legacy really will be lamentable.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou - If you seek you shall find.
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 16:37
by jwfg
quickeyg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 15:52
speaking up about j*ws,
What did he say about Jews? Do you agree with him?
Re: Fury vs Ngannou - If you seek you shall find.
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 16:49
by SeanBrennan
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 16:37
quickeyg wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023, 15:52
speaking up about j*ws,
What did he say about Jews? Do you agree with him?
I'm intrigued, and now awaiting the incoming braindead fascist drivel....
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 13 Oct 2023, 18:14
by quickeyg
Malcolm X said:
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 13:39
by polecateddy
Is the PPV price for this actually $79.99 in The States? That’s just under £66. It’s a bit mind-boggling, considering Ngannou didn’t even progress from having a bit of amateur boxing training in French gyms to an actual amateur boxing bout! Presumably he was just rubbish at it!
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 14:09
by SeanBrennan
polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 13:39
Is the PPV price for this actually $79.99 in The States? That’s just under £66. It’s a bit mind-boggling, considering Ngannou didn’t even progress from having a bit of amateur boxing training in French gyms to an actual amateur boxing bout! Presumably he was just rubbish at it!
I'm not sure, think he just ended up in MMA as oppsosed to being naturally rubbish at boxing.
He has no chance in this fight though.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 14:21
by Nightmare Roy
polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 13:39
Is the PPV price for this actually $79.99 in The States? That’s just under £66. It’s a bit mind-boggling, considering Ngannou didn’t even progress from having a bit of amateur boxing training in French gyms to an actual amateur boxing bout! Presumably he was just rubbish at it!
It does seem a crazy price but then all their PPVs are extortionate, they all tend to be $60 to $100, They must all be rich, in the UK we balk at anything over £20! I imagine we will get shafted for about £30 for Usyk Fury but I'll actually buy that one
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 14:23
by polecateddy
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 14:09
polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 13:39
Is the PPV price for this actually $79.99 in The States? That’s just under £66. It’s a bit mind-boggling, considering Ngannou didn’t even progress from having a bit of amateur boxing training in French gyms to an actual amateur boxing bout! Presumably he was just rubbish at it!
I'm not sure, think he just ended up in MMA as oppsosed to being naturally rubbish at boxing.
He has no chance in this fight though.
Or any credible professional fight effectively.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 14:25
by SeanBrennan
polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 14:23
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 14:09
polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 13:39
Is the PPV price for this actually $79.99 in The States? That’s just under £66. It’s a bit mind-boggling, considering Ngannou didn’t even progress from having a bit of amateur boxing training in French gyms to an actual amateur boxing bout! Presumably he was just rubbish at it!
I'm not sure, think he just ended up in MMA as oppsosed to being naturally rubbish at boxing.
He has no chance in this fight though.
Or any credible professional fight effectively.
agree, would not win an Area title.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 15:02
by Kilburn
As pointless as this “fight” is, I wouldn’t have any hesitation in picking Ngannou over the likes of Johnny Fisher, in a boxing match.
Re: Fury vs Ngannou
Posted: 14 Oct 2023, 15:04
by jwfg
Kilburn wrote: ↑14 Oct 2023, 15:02
As pointless as this “fight” is, I wouldn’t have any hesitation in picking Ngannou over the likes of Johnny Fisher, in a boxing match.
No way he beats Fisher. No way, at all. Fisher would dominate him from start to finish. And yes, I've seen Jonny fight.