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Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:06 Itauma is the right fight. Pass the baton.

Madness, he isn't even at Euro yet, let alone a once in a generation champion.
See how he goes against the ghost of Dillion Whyte next month

I don't get the calls for Parker. He's not the man to end an ATG career against.

The Kabayal argument is stronger in terms of boxing but not business.

Handing the baton to the next generation is the class thing to do and Usyk is class. Usyk v Moses could be a bit like Floyd v Canelo but I give Moses a better shot than I did Canelo. Didn't do Canelo any harm losing to Floyd.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:11

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:06 Itauma is the right fight. Pass the baton.

Madness, he isn't even at Euro yet, let alone a once in a generation champion.
See how he goes against the ghost of Dillion Whyte next month

It's professional boxing and The Turki show. He'll get what he wants.

I think it should be Kabayel AND Parker.

If Usyk really wanted to play to the gallery add Zhang to the hit list !

I genuinely thought the only way to beat Usyk was to go straight at him, bully him onto the ropes and unload body and head inside.

When they try it they get kocked out. He wobbled Dan in the first round, so no doubt he has power.

Who throughout history would beat him? A prime Larry Holmes or Ali? Maybe. The guy is incredible.

Box him and he outboxes you, go after him and he knocks you out.

Forget the rest, he is the P4P number 1. We might not see his equal again for years

canelo had a legion of loyal mexican fans before even facing floyd, i got the feeling moses' support will be much more tied to his results and not as unconditional

moses also way way less experienced than canelo was going into that........

you gotta work with whats out there. parker and kabayel are the 2 msot deserving challengers usyk hasnt faced, thats why people call for them. they also both offer something different than usyk has seen in a while

I'm pretty sure that the belts won't stay together if it isn't either Parker or Kayabel

Moses might well turn out to be the best of his era, but it's all talk and knocking out much lesser guys. Has he even fought at Brit title level yet?

Whyte is a step up, a job needs to be done there, he is prob below Brit title level at the mo, and if White was fighting Uysk now folk would be calling for it to be banned.

someone explain to me how Usyk - the supposed non big puncher - KOs Dubois when DDD took a few absolute bombs from AJ and wasn't floored.

Fury again in UK or retire. The fights were razor thin on points if you ask me (but fury could/should have been stopped first fight).

Parker doesn't have a prayer and hasn't beaten anyone near this level.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:19 someone explain to me how Usyk - the supposed non big puncher - KOs Dubois when DDD took a few absolute bombs from AJ and wasn't floored.

You don't see usyks counters coming. Aj's 1-2 is well known.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:02 parker has very quick hands, usyk far too skilled but hes a totally different type of challenge than these giants usyk has mastered

kabayel with his body punching has a tool to exploit arguably the more vulnerable area of uysk (more than the head at least)

usyk is too good for them all but i think there are at least guys with something different to offer

Allen reckons Kabiyel has the most realistic chance of beating Usyk because of his body punching

I lean towards retirement. Parker and Kabayel are respectable contenders with decent wins, but is this the best on offer? Yes, and it's pretty uninspiring imho.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:19 someone explain to me how Usyk - the supposed non big puncher - KOs Dubois when DDD took a few absolute bombs from AJ and wasn't floored.

Because Doobie was getting tagged with power jabs from the opening bell. His ring IQ is low enough that someone ties his laces.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:19 someone explain to me how Usyk - the supposed non big puncher - KOs Dubois when DDD took a few absolute bombs from AJ and wasn't floored.

its the punches you don't see...

jimb0d wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:20 Fury again in UK or retire. The fights were razor thin on points if you ask me (but fury could/should have been stopped first fight).

Parker doesn't have a prayer and hasn't beaten anyone near this level.

yuck, more old ground for usyk, please no

speaking of wins, in the time parker has beat bakole, zhang, and wilder.....fury has beaten no one. a split over an mma fighter is his only win after 2022

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:18 canelo had a legion of loyal mexican fans before even facing floyd, i got the feeling moses' support will be much more tied to his results and not as unconditional

moses also way way less experienced than canelo was going into that........

you gotta work with whats out there. parker and kabayel are the 2 msot deserving challengers usyk hasnt faced, thats why people call for them. they also both offer something different than usyk has seen in a while

Hardcores call for them. the paying public and the guy holding the purse strings aren't calling for them.

Usyk is class. There's nobody in his generation worthy of a shot, so my point (and Turki's, more importantly) is that he should take on somebody from the next generation. Sparring is sparring but I'm confident that none of these guys can do what Moses can do other than Usyk.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:22

golden_labrador wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:19 someone explain to me how Usyk - the supposed non big puncher - KOs Dubois when DDD took a few absolute bombs from AJ and wasn't floored.

its the punches you don't see...

Yes, timing.

jimb0d wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:20 Fury again in UK or retire. The fights were razor thin on points if you ask me (but fury could/should have been stopped first fight).

Parker doesn't have a prayer and hasn't beaten anyone near this level.

Ruiz, Zhang, wilder, bakole, chisora…. I mean if that’s not near enough to world levle the whole has fury beat that makes him worthy of the title shot…

jimb0d wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:20 Fury again in UK...

God no. Please not that.

AJ is the only fight Fury should be considering.

If DDD didn’t get that arm up he wouldent of been looking dazed during the count, he would have been snoring.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:23

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:18 canelo had a legion of loyal mexican fans before even facing floyd, i got the feeling moses' support will be much more tied to his results and not as unconditional

moses also way way less experienced than canelo was going into that........

you gotta work with whats out there. parker and kabayel are the 2 msot deserving challengers usyk hasnt faced, thats why people call for them. they also both offer something different than usyk has seen in a while

Hardcores call for them. the paying public and the guy holding the purse strings aren't calling for them.

Usyk is class. There's nobody in his generation worthy of a shot, so my point (and Turki's, more importantly) is that he should take on somebody from the next generation. Sparring is sparring but I'm confident that none of these guys can do what Moses can do other than Usyk.

we've also seen the man holding the purse string push such great fights as joshua-nganou, i don't really bow to his take on which fights to make

Dubois has no head movement so easy pickings for Usyk's lovely right hand after he takes a step.

Usyk respects his opponents. But there was something that made me think he really didn't like Dubois (maybe its all the talk from his team) and was looking for a KO win early.

In the dazn documentary he said he was working with a new fitness coach and looked to be developing his legs, so he could have more power. He certainly showed some pop tonight. Spun dubois' head round.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:27

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:23

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Jul 2025, 18:18 canelo had a legion of loyal mexican fans before even facing floyd, i got the feeling moses' support will be much more tied to his results and not as unconditional

moses also way way less experienced than canelo was going into that........

you gotta work with whats out there. parker and kabayel are the 2 msot deserving challengers usyk hasnt faced, thats why people call for them. they also both offer something different than usyk has seen in a while

Hardcores call for them. the paying public and the guy holding the purse strings aren't calling for them.

Usyk is class. There's nobody in his generation worthy of a shot, so my point (and Turki's, more importantly) is that he should take on somebody from the next generation. Sparring is sparring but I'm confident that none of these guys can do what Moses can do other than Usyk.

we've also seen the man holding the purse string push such great fights as joshua-nganou, i don't really bow to his take on which fights to make

Nothing wrong with Joshua v Ngannou. Ngannou arguably beat Fury in his previous fight. AJ all but executing him in Saudi was a good night for boxing. I was more against the Fury v Ngannou fight.

usyk vs jake paul would be lucractive too. or how about uysk gets his chance to beat a famous mma fighter? it's not really what interests me as someone who wants to see the best matches