What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?
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locoxelbox
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I'm pretty sure the Olympics counts. I think any international competition counts. Defeating guys from other countries to win a title is important no matter what the name of the tournament is.boxmel wrote:Yeah - and Ringside is a "world championship," too. Boxers and coaches do claim anything that makes them look good.Only international "championships" that really count are AIBA Worlds and Pan Ams.
Comes with the territory Mel. The US boxers should be competing in more not less international tournaments. Further, it shouldn't just be the guys on the Olympic team in the year before the Olympics. They should be getting guys ready now for the 2012 Olympics!!!boxmel wrote:Dennis, you are so "FREAKING" picky! I'm sorry I forgot the Olympics and didn't put in any of the several international tournaments that we no longer compete in.
Mel, did you notice that Cuba is sending a few different boxers to the last qualifier? If you are going to pick the team a year in advance so that they can compete in the first qualifier, I think you need to be able to adjust the team if necessary. I think you should be able to send a different boxer to the last qualifier (third) if the first boxer just doesn't seem to have the strongest chance of making it. I know a lot of the other countries continue to have their Olympic team members box other guys in their own country to make sure they are still the #1 boxer in the country.
That's other countries - NOT the USA.I know a lot of the other countries continue to have their Olympic team members box other guys in their own country to make sure they are still the #1 boxer in the country.
Other countries also send one boxer to one qualifier and another to the second qualifer, i.e. Mexico. But NOT the USA! Seriously, if you feel that strongly why don't you send a proposal to Millman with a copy to Dan? See what they say.
Shawn just boxed on the first USA BOXING Olympic Invitational in Bridgeport, Connecticut on May 9, 2008. I don't know if he will continue to box amateur or not. I'm not surprised that he has his weight down because he frequently would train hard and get his weight down into the high 150's or low 160's. If he is 157 right now, he will be able to make 154 for the pros at least for awhile.boxman wrote:Does anyone know if Shawn Porter will be turning pro soon? I saw him recently and he said he is down to 157 pounds. I guess if he does turn pro it will be at 154 instead of middleweight.
Yes, I heard the same thing. John Brown also said that Jeremiah would be turning pro this summer. Many other 201# guys were saying the same thing so I expect that several more of those that boxed at the NGG in Grand Rapids will have their pro debuts in 2008. Probably Koon, Lewis, and Graziano for sure. Baker is 24 so maybe. I'm pretty sure you'll see a few more go pro this summer.jtyson wrote:dont know about Shawn Porter. However, 2008 National Champion and Golden Gloves contender Jeremiah Graziano intends to turn pro after the Golden Gloves are complete
No Mel, this year's qualifiers are done and we will have to see what happens in Beijing. If the team does well (which I think it might), then not much will change. If the team doesn't win more then 1 or 2 medals, then there might be wholesale changes between September 2008 and 2012. I will then pass my ideas and thoughts along to the HQ in Colo Springs.boxmel wrote:That's other countries - NOT the USA.I know a lot of the other countries continue to have their Olympic team members box other guys in their own country to make sure they are still the #1 boxer in the country.
Seriously, if you feel that strongly why don't you send a proposal to Millman with a copy to Dan? See what they say.
I would be surprised by it if it happens.verballistic wrote:i could see him becoming a LH version of tim bradley...dedicated, good work ethic, but keeping a low-profile and slowly working his way thru the ranks to sneak up on some unsuspecting world champ & snatch his belt away!!Dennis wrote:Light heavy Alexander Johnson is now 5-0 as a pro. He was a strong, muscular 178# boxer who boxed in last years NGG and US Championships I believe. He was from the Washington DC area.
The list goes on and on. Many times it is not even the fistic foundation that is the problem. It is the lack of maturity in handling the pressures of pro boxing. They aren't ready for dealing with people who are bad influences, people trying to take their money and women who just like the spotlight. There are so many potential outside distractions and it takes a certain maturity to deal with it and most men under 25 can't handle it let alone men in their teens.verballistic wrote:it usually is...even if a guy makes it big, he often has something lacking in his fistic foundation...just look at naz hamed!! :(Dennis wrote:Jesus Mendez just lost on Friday. He is now 2-1. Maybe, just maybe, he should have stayed amateur a little longer. Turning pro at a mere 18 might have been a mistake.
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zhdamistro
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[quote="verballistic"]
interesting comment, dennis...what is it about johnson that you think would prevent him form EVENTUALLY becoming a champ?!?
i honestly have yet to see alexander fight, either as amateur or pro & [b]would greatly appreciate any insight into his potential...stylistic, work ethic, weaknesses, etc!!
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off the top of my head, i seem to remember him finishing 3rd at 178 in 2007 national golden gloves!![/quote]
If you have never seen him fight how can you predict he will become a champion. kind of strange if you ask me. From what ive seen of him he is a good athlete with good skill but didnt seem to have the best conditioning and seemed to keep his hands down a lot.
interesting comment, dennis...what is it about johnson that you think would prevent him form EVENTUALLY becoming a champ?!?
i honestly have yet to see alexander fight, either as amateur or pro & [b]would greatly appreciate any insight into his potential...stylistic, work ethic, weaknesses, etc!!
[/b]off the top of my head, i seem to remember him finishing 3rd at 178 in 2007 national golden gloves!![/quote]
If you have never seen him fight how can you predict he will become a champion. kind of strange if you ask me. From what ive seen of him he is a good athlete with good skill but didnt seem to have the best conditioning and seemed to keep his hands down a lot.
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Its even stranger that your making comparisons between him and specific fighters, like Tim Bradley, its impossible unless youve actully seen the guy box a few times.
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Thank you and Canada for answering his question for me. I really wondered where he got his comparison to Tim Bradley since I didn't see them having the same style. I just thought he meant that he could sneak up on some unsuspecting champion. I then said I doubted it. Alexander was very strong, a little wild and unpolished and yes he didn't have the greatest stamina. I didn't see that combination turning out a world champion. He could prove me wrong, but the likelihood of becoming a world champ is always low and even lower when you don't have the necessary attributes at the end of your amateur career. That is another reason I believe many boxers would benefit from staying amateur a little longer.zhdamistro wrote:If you have never seen him fight how can you predict he will become a champion. kind of strange if you ask me. From what ive seen of him he is a good athlete with good skill but didnt seem to have the best conditioning and seemed to keep his hands down a lot.verballistic wrote: interesting comment, dennis...what is it about johnson that you think would prevent him form EVENTUALLY becoming a champ?!?
i honestly have yet to see alexander fight, either as amateur or pro & would greatly appreciate any insight into his potential...stylistic, work ethic, weaknesses, etc!!
off the top of my head, i seem to remember him finishing 3rd at 178 in 2007 national golden gloves!!
Re: What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?
Does anyone know if Jerry Belmontes is still fighting tonight? He's on the BoxRec schedule but his opponent is TBA.
Re: What boxers turrned pro or are turning pro, this year?
Still on the card according to local paper as they listed Belmontes (2-0, 1 KO), Corpus Christi, vs. Raul Almandez (pro debut) in a featherweight contest.