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SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 01:50

p4p1 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 00:42 Whittaker is going to destroy GSP. They both looked slow and old tonight.

I'm surprised you're not picking Romero. Great card.

He would. Did you see how slow they both were and how much they still both got hit? As I said there's a reason why Bisping didn't want to fight Jacare, Romero, Whittaker or Rockhold again and there's a reason why GSP only ever expressed interest in going to MW once Bisping was a chance.

Seriously man Bisping isn't even top 5 of that's division, top 5 guys in that division wouldn't struggle with old man Hendo. Whittaker, Rockhold, Romero, Jacare, Mousasi and Weidman would all be favourites against Bisping. He landed a fluke shot against a guy who submitted him with one arm and then refused to take on a legit contender while Whittaker took out the top 2 contenders. GSP dodged the question of defending his title against Whittaker or any other top MW, Whittaker thought GSP looked slow as well so I'm not alone. Whittaker doesn't think GSP wants to fight him either, nobody else seems to think GSP will fight the real top MW. I said this would happen and Whittaker would get screwed over again.

You don't have to believe me, just look at the actions from Bisping since he won the title and the words from GSP the moment he won.

Basically what I'm saying is this isn't Ali V Frazier 1 but more like Ali vs Quarry or Bonevena. An impressive win after a long lay off(though GSP is helped by being a gym rat) but it still wasn't against the number 1 guy.

Fights to make after today's card.

GSP vs Wittaker - I'm reading Dana has said after the fight the Whittaker fight was in his contract. Dana says lots of things though and often they're not true. They can't hold him to the contact if he retires or force him to fight anyone else much like the couldnt with McGregor.

Whittaker vs Rockhold - obvious fight if GSP retires or refuses to defend.

Bisping vs Silva 2 - both get beaten by anyone else ranked above them. Last fight was controversial this fight if it's in England will sell again. I think Bisping is having vision issues though, if he is he should retire. MWs are big guys and if he's getting blindsided then it's time to retire. Part of me hopes he does anyway, he's been knocked out a few times, his eye looks like it swells up if someone mean mugs him. I know I've said a lot he isn't a top 5 MW and I stand by that but he's given us great fights over a long period of time and he won't ever climb the mountain again.

TJ vs MM - either at 135 or 125, the fights been talked about for a while. Cody looked good tonight but got caught and after losing like that in his first defence he shouldn't get an ommodore rematch. MM was open to a fight against TJ but wanted to know he could make weight. A fight 135 for MM makes more sense IMO.

Cody vs the winner of Cruz v River for a title shot after TJ vs MM.

Thug Rose vs JJ - dominant champion deserves a rematch and I think she had a bad night tonight she didn't look sharp at all.

Thompson - honestly he probably deserves a title shot on merit. Two really close fights against Woodley - from memory he probably deserved the nod in at least one of those fights. But and its a big but who the fornicate cares, they were both crap fights other than a small period where Woodley hurt Thompson. Funny scenario that I would love to see just for Woodleys meltdown, GSP vs Thompson. Thomspon looked sharp and fast tonight and IMO knocks GSP out, so does Woodley. I guess the UFC could give Thompson Covington but then that possibly gets rid of a new contender for Woodley. So I have no idea what the UFC should do here they're stuck in a horrible position. Maybe the UFC should rematch Thompson vs Woodley but only pay them per strike.

p4p1 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 03:56 Fights to make after today's card.

GSP vs Wittaker - I'm reading Dana has said after the fight the Whittaker fight was in his contract. Dana says lots of things though and often they're not true. They can't hold him to the contact if he retires or force him to fight anyone else much like the couldnt with McGregor.

Whittaker vs Rockhold - obvious fight if GSP retires or refuses to defend.

Bisping vs Silva 2 - both get beaten by anyone else ranked above them. Last fight was controversial this fight if it's in England will sell again. I think Bisping is having vision issues though, if he is he should retire. MWs are big guys and if he's getting blindsided then it's time to retire. Part of me hopes he does anyway, he's been knocked out a few times, his eye looks like it swells up if someone mean mugs him. I know I've said a lot he isn't a top 5 MW and I stand by that but he's given us great fights over a long period of time and he won't ever climb the mountain again.

TJ vs MM - either at 135 or 125, the fights been talked about for a while. Cody looked good tonight but got caught and after losing like that in his first defence he shouldn't get an ommodore rematch. MM was open to a fight against TJ but wanted to know he could make weight. A fight 135 for MM makes more sense IMO.

Cody vs the winner of Cruz v River for a title shot after TJ vs MM.

Thug Rose vs JJ - dominant champion deserves a rematch and I think she had a bad night tonight she didn't look sharp at all.

Thompson - honestly he probably deserves a title shot on merit. Two really close fights against Woodley - from memory he probably deserved the nod in at least one of those fights. But and its a big but who the eff cares, they were both crap fights other than a small period where Woodley hurt Thompson. Funny scenario that I would love to see just for Woodleys meltdown, GSP vs Thompson. Thomspon looked sharp and fast tonight and IMO knocks GSP out, so does Woodley. I guess the UFC could give Thompson Covington but then that possibly gets rid of a new contender for Woodley. So I have no idea what the UFC should do here they're stuck in a horrible position. Maybe the UFC should rematch Thompson vs Woodley but only pay them per strike.

I thought the first Thompson Woodley fight was good. The second was awful though. Was talk of Thompson fighting Darren Till in Liverpool but I think it's just talk. Thompson comes across as a really well spoken and polite man so good luck to him.

Thinking now I'm quite pleased Dillashaw won by ko. I think a Cody would have been really disrespectful post fight if the result was the other way round. Did seem a lot of bad blood there but at least TJ went over to Cody after the fight.

p4p1 wrote: ↑05 Nov 2017, 03:56 Fights to make after today's card.

GSP vs Wittaker - I'm reading Dana has said after the fight the Whittaker fight was in his contract. Dana says lots of things though and often they're not true. They can't hold him to the contact if he retires or force him to fight anyone else much like the couldnt with McGregor.

Whittaker vs Rockhold - obvious fight if GSP retires or refuses to defend.

Bisping vs Silva 2 - both get beaten by anyone else ranked above them. Last fight was controversial this fight if it's in England will sell again. I think Bisping is having vision issues though, if he is he should retire. MWs are big guys and if he's getting blindsided then it's time to retire. Part of me hopes he does anyway, he's been knocked out a few times, his eye looks like it swells up if someone mean mugs him. I know I've said a lot he isn't a top 5 MW and I stand by that but he's given us great fights over a long period of time and he won't ever climb the mountain again.

TJ vs MM - either at 135 or 125, the fights been talked about for a while. Cody looked good tonight but got caught and after losing like that in his first defence he shouldn't get an ommodore rematch. MM was open to a fight against TJ but wanted to know he could make weight. A fight 135 for MM makes more sense IMO.

Cody vs the winner of Cruz v River for a title shot after TJ vs MM.

Thug Rose vs JJ - dominant champion deserves a rematch and I think she had a bad night tonight she didn't look sharp at all.

Thompson - honestly he probably deserves a title shot on merit. Two really close fights against Woodley - from memory he probably deserved the nod in at least one of those fights. But and its a big but who the eff cares, they were both crap fights other than a small period where Woodley hurt Thompson. Funny scenario that I would love to see just for Woodleys meltdown, GSP vs Thompson. Thomspon looked sharp and fast tonight and IMO knocks GSP out, so does Woodley. I guess the UFC could give Thompson Covington but then that possibly gets rid of a new contender for Woodley. So I have no idea what the UFC should do here they're stuck in a horrible position. Maybe the UFC should rematch Thompson vs Woodley but only pay them per strike.

Good fights

I'm kinda glad jj got dusted. She was starting to look a bit like Ronda. Rose has always seemed like a nice kid too.

People like to shit on bisping, but he's a good/biderline HOF guy. For Gsp to come back after four years and do that is amazing, he is the GOAT, especially after Silva and Jones have pissed hot.

Cody and TJ was fun, i really thought TJ was gonna get finished early in the second, he couldn't get close to Cody in the first, smart strategy to start with the high kicks. Would love to see a rematch of that one

Bisping is definitely Hof, one of the best middleweights ever and he's taken on a who's who in the division.

Yea Bisping deserves a spot in the HOF

It depends what standard you want in the hall of fame. Bisping lost to every top 5 guy he fought until he got a win against Rockhold. Sure, he is better than Bonnar but we all know why Bonnar is in there. The other side though is that when he was in a position where a win meant a title shot the guys that beat him(Sonnen,Vitor,Hendo) were juicing.

Based on merit he doesn't deserve to be in. If you don't count Rockhold he has no wins against elite guys.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 23:37

Tell me Saad, what wins against elite fighters does Bisping have? I'll wait.

He has none, he's done and accomplished nothing at all. He's a bum.

I've actually made a mistake thinking you know what you're talking about.

Sorry I didn't realise not being in the 5 best in your division during you're entire career made you HoF worthy. I didn't realise being the worst champion in over a decade made you worthy.
I didn't realise that 1 top 5 win makes HoF worthy.
I didn't realise losing more than you win against top5/10 rated fighters makes you HoF worthy.
There's not one top win that isn't Rockhold. It's supposed to be the best of the best and Bisping for no period in hs entire career was even considered the best.
What kind of HoF can you get into for having 1 top 7 win.
Thats without even getting into controversial decisions like Hammil, Silva and Leites.


Silva, Weidman, Rockhold, Whittaker, Franklin, Romero, Jacare, Hendo(TRT), Vitor(TRT) off the top of my head not only are/were better fighters than him but had more wins against top competition and put together better runs of wins.

His longevity is impressive but it wasn't longevity at the top which makes him a shit candidate for the HoF.

What a fornicating joke, you don't get into the HoF for being a top 10 guy for years.

p4p1 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 02:26 Sorry I didn't realise not being in the 5 best in your division during you're entire career made you HoF worthy. I didn't realise being the worst champion in over a decade made you worthy.
I didn't realise that 1 top 5 win makes HoF worthy.
I didn't realise losing more than you win against top5/10 rated fighters makes you HoF worthy.
There's not one top win that isn't Rockhold. It's supposed to be the best of the best and Bisping for no period in hs entire career was even considered the best.
What kind of HoF can you get into for having 1 top 7 win.
Thats without even getting into controversial decisions like Hammil, Silva and Leites.


Silva, Weidman, Rockhold, Whittaker, Franklin, Romero, Jacare, Hendo(TRT), Vitor(TRT) off the top of my head not only are/were better fighters than him but had more wins against top competition and put together better runs of wins.

His longevity is impressive but it wasn't longevity at the top which makes him a poo candidate for the HoF.

What a effing joke, you don't get into the HoF for being a top 10 guy for years.

While you have a point, I didn’t think the Silva fight was controversial at all, bisping won clearly. He also could have had wins over sonnen and Evans if we are talking about close calls too

thunderfromdownunder wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 05:44

p4p1 wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 02:26 Sorry I didn't realise not being in the 5 best in your division during you're entire career made you HoF worthy. I didn't realise being the worst champion in over a decade made you worthy.
I didn't realise that 1 top 5 win makes HoF worthy.
I didn't realise losing more than you win against top5/10 rated fighters makes you HoF worthy.
There's not one top win that isn't Rockhold. It's supposed to be the best of the best and Bisping for no period in hs entire career was even considered the best.
What kind of HoF can you get into for having 1 top 7 win.
Thats without even getting into controversial decisions like Hammil, Silva and Leites.


Silva, Weidman, Rockhold, Whittaker, Franklin, Romero, Jacare, Hendo(TRT), Vitor(TRT) off the top of my head not only are/were better fighters than him but had more wins against top competition and put together better runs of wins.

His longevity is impressive but it wasn't longevity at the top which makes him a poo candidate for the HoF.

What a effing joke, you don't get into the HoF for being a top 10 guy for years.

While you have a point, I didn’t think the Silva fight was controversial at all, bisping won clearly. He also could have had wins over sonnen and Evans if we are talking about close calls too

Imo he beat sonnen,sonnen only won so they could make a silve vs sonnen 2. If bisping would of beat sonnen and fought silva he would of been destroyed within 1 round imo,sikva was at the top or just coming off the top of his game then so bisping woukd of been schooled

Bisping always had the striking to compete with Silva.

p4p1 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 23:24 It depends what standard you want in the hall of fame. Bisping lost to every top 5 guy he fought until he got a win against Rockhold. Sure, he is better than Bonnar but we all know why Bonnar is in there. The other side though is that when he was in a position where a win meant a title shot the guys that beat him(Sonnen,Vitor,Hendo) were juicing.

Based on merit he doesn't deserve to be in. If you don't count Rockhold he has no wins against elite guys.

Is Rockhold even elite, comes across as a bit of a fancy surfer boy more interested in modelling and popstar girlfriends.

banjo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:14

p4p1 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 23:24 It depends what standard you want in the hall of fame. Bisping lost to every top 5 guy he fought until he got a win against Rockhold. Sure, he is better than Bonnar but we all know why Bonnar is in there. The other side though is that when he was in a position where a win meant a title shot the guys that beat him(Sonnen,Vitor,Hendo) were juicing.

Based on merit he doesn't deserve to be in. If you don't count Rockhold he has no wins against elite guys.

Is Rockhold even elite, comes across as a bit of a fancy surfer boy more interested in modelling and popstar girlfriends.

You're asking the wrong guy. All rankings, historical and present are based on whom he likes.

Bisping isn't a terrible fighter like some would have you believe

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 18:58

banjo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:14

p4p1 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 23:24 It depends what standard you want in the hall of fame. Bisping lost to every top 5 guy he fought until he got a win against Rockhold. Sure, he is better than Bonnar but we all know why Bonnar is in there. The other side though is that when he was in a position where a win meant a title shot the guys that beat him(Sonnen,Vitor,Hendo) were juicing.

Based on merit he doesn't deserve to be in. If you don't count Rockhold he has no wins against elite guys.

Is Rockhold even elite, comes across as a bit of a fancy surfer boy more interested in modelling and popstar girlfriends.

You're asking the wrong guy. All rankings, historical and present are based on whom he likes.

Roach reckons he wants GSP to move down to welter after beating Bisping

Who you got in Poirier vs pettis?

Unless his speed was seriously effected by the extra 10-15lbs of weight he put on then I don't think it's a good move. He's best off retiring, he didn't look the same as he used to and he's got nothing left to prove. I don't see him beating Woodley or Wonderboy anymore and MW right now is full of talent and like Bisping unless he gets lucky he gets beaten soundly by the top 5 or 6 guys. I don't see many big fights out there he could win other than a McGregor fight which would be a joke though not surprising if it was made as the rumour is a big reason for GSPs return was for a 'mega fight' against McGregor. GSP has earnt the right to just have money fights now as long as he isn't holding divisions up.

Till vs Thompson booked for the 24th of Feb.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 18:58

banjo wrote: ↑07 Nov 2017, 14:14

p4p1 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2017, 23:24 It depends what standard you want in the hall of fame. Bisping lost to every top 5 guy he fought until he got a win against Rockhold. Sure, he is better than Bonnar but we all know why Bonnar is in there. The other side though is that when he was in a position where a win meant a title shot the guys that beat him(Sonnen,Vitor,Hendo) were juicing.

Based on merit he doesn't deserve to be in. If you don't count Rockhold he has no wins against elite guys.

Is Rockhold even elite, comes across as a bit of a fancy surfer boy more interested in modelling and popstar girlfriends.

You're asking the wrong guy. All rankings, historical and present are based on whom he likes.

Well Rockhold got knocked senseless by a bloke who isn't deemed anything more than a journeyman so he can't be that good.