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THEHAMMER321 wrote: Frank, didn't you post a picture on here once, with Huntley and one of your sons ?

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Went this morning to my daughter melissa's graduation ceremony, it was at the Thomas and Mack arena, I was there on my 17th birthday on april 5 1984 when Kareem broke Wilts scoring record, pretty unlikely place considering we don't even have a pro basketball team, but the Utah JAZZ were playing some of there home games there and were playing the Laker's, congratulations to Melissa on graduating.

raylawpc wrote:Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

Tom, I don't what a cutman uses, thats a part of boxing I never got involved with, I would have being over my head. As for Jerry, I don't think he knew much about that either, Dub trained him and all of a sudden he is a cutman. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jerry, I just don't think he had the expertise...

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Frank, in his book, F.X. Toole wrote about mixing adrenalin chloride with Vaseline to create an effective patch to prevent additional bleeding once you have stopped the cut with a swab and adrenalin chloride solution. I had heard about that technique from a trainer who came to Oklahoma City to work with a fighter. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the fighter or the name of the trainer who told me about it.) I never tried the technique myself because I asked my druggist about it, and he told me that because the Vaseline would bind the adrenalin chemically, the substance wouldn't work as intended. Did you know any cutmen in LA who mixed adrenalin chloride with Vaseline for use in the corner? I never thought much about it after the talk with my druggist, but reading about it in Toole's book made me wonder.

Tom, I don't what a cutman uses, thats a part of boxing I never got involved with, I would have being over my head. As for Jerry, I don't think he knew much about that either, Dub trained him and all of a sudden he is a cutman. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jerry, I just don't think he had the expertise...

Thank you, Frank!
I don't remember Boyd working all that much, maybe with Dub's boys, but others?
I remember seeing this guy, but he wasn't considered special in town, of course, I left boxing before 1976.

He was a very special writer. And for that

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Ray Arcel who is legendary, used to joke about how many Joe Louis victims, he was in the corner of, not sure of when the last time he worked a corner, but he was in Holmes corner for the Cooney fight.

Rick Farris wrote:When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

kikibalt wrote:Good morning Bennie, its morning for us anyway....

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:When it's about blood . . .

Back in the sixties, L.A. had several legendary cut men, but I don't know how good they were.
Norm Lockwood was a fixture in L.A. Norm owned a busy gas station and was quite successful.
He also was said to be a great cut man. Frank knows Norm.
Any other L.A. "Cut men" come to mind? Good or bad, doesn't matter, who could patch a cut?

I think Johnny Flores was a pretty good cut man. Johnny boasted of his medicine to those of us in his stable.
"They use it in stomach surgery", Johnny said. "This will stop bleeding in three seconds."
I love the true legends, those old school East Coast guys, like Whitey Bimstein, Goldman, Arcel, Brown, etc.
I think Jackie McCoy was pretty good. I knew Teddy Bentham pretty well. Who else could keep a fighter in the fight?

Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

Danny Holland was one of our greatest ever cutsmen. He worked the corner of Henry Cooper.

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Good morning all, talking about good cut men I would think if you looked at all the champions and top ten contenders who were bleeders, if they didn't have good cut men they never would have made it that far, like Marciano for instance I am sure he must have had a good cut man.

Counter-puncher wrote:

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote: Norm Lockwood was a good cut-man, so was Jackie McCoy, of the old timers that come to mind, Johnny Villaflor, I know that Hoyt Porter was also a good one.

Danny Holland was one of our greatest ever cutsmen. He worked the corner of Henry Cooper.

bennie, could you remind me, who was the guy who looked after Buchanan? he did a tremendous job on his swelling in the 2nd Laguna fight..........

THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank did you go out today for your ''breakfast of champions'' ?