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Using FWs logic then Fury gets the lions share of every purse as he’s the big draw not the other guy, whether Fury loses or not. I see they’ve roped in Colin Hart too given an interview and saying Usyk walked out on the deal. Maybe he did but I’m sure there was a good reason too, they are trying to mug him off.

It's obvious both teams are to blame. Fury is as usual, the big mouth and the bad guy, not going to advocate him, but we know he's so intentionally. Usyk, on the other hand, even if he wants to, he can't be because he doesn't speak English, so he gets less credit for his role in failing the fight, but he has some. Shame on both sides anyway. Now they've limited path to go each.

Controversial wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 09:20 Using FWs logic then Fury gets the lions share of every purse as he’s the big draw not the other guy, whether Fury loses or not. I see they’ve roped in Colin Hart too given an interview and saying Usyk walked out on the deal. Maybe he did but I’m sure there was a good reason too, they are trying to mug him off.

All this Fury is the big earner drawer is bollox anyway, Usyk apparently got £30m for the AJ rematch, I doubt Tyson's two biggest purses combined came to that much.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 09:30

Controversial wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 09:20 Using FWs logic then Fury gets the lions share of every purse as he’s the big draw not the other guy, whether Fury loses or not. I see they’ve roped in Colin Hart too given an interview and saying Usyk walked out on the deal. Maybe he did but I’m sure there was a good reason too, they are trying to mug him off.

All this Fury is the big earner drawer is bollox anyway, Usyk apparently got £30m for the AJ rematch, I doubt Tyson's two biggest purses combined came to that much.

Fury got not less than Usyk and truly is the more colorful character. But whatever, the fight failed and I doubt they'll decide to negotiate again, but even if they do, won't be for all the belts, Usyk is uncapable of defending them, which isn't such of a problem to me, what matters is having the greatest ones to face each other.

Fun fact: Tyson Fury and Josh Taylor both live in Bottlejob Town. Riddick Bowe is their neighbour.

I guess they can have a good laugh over the fence about the wheezes they pulled to duck their toughest opponents.

Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

A lot of good insight here from Uysk's promoter:

"If anyone else had been WBC Champion, the Undisputed match would have already happened in February or March".

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

Fury shat his panties when Ustinov was brought in as a substitute.

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:37 A lot of good insight here from Uysk's promoter:

"If anyone else had been WBC Champion, the Undisputed match would have already happened in February or March".

Always come across a nice fella him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

If anything the stoppage did Vitali a favour. That last short right hand to the temple in the closing seconds, looked like beginning of the end for Vitali.

Lewis taking on Klitschko on late notice (who already had a fight scheduled), was something great champions do.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

Fury shat his panties when Ustinov was brought in as a substitute.

Yes I'd forgotten that, he totally bricked it.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.

Kilburn wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 11:20

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

If anything the stoppage did Vitali a favour. That last short right hand to the temple in the closing seconds, looked like beginning of the end for Vitali.

Lewis taking on Klitschko on late notice (who already had a fight scheduled), was something great champions do.

Usually whenever they do a list of people’s 100 best movies, there’s always a sprinkling of really undeserving titles from that year or the year before. People’s memories are just really short. I don’t think any of the current crop of AJ, Fury, Dubois or Joyce (in the future) are great champions. They are a product of soft times and over-inflation by the media. Fury needs putting in the same bin Riddick Bowe threw his belt into. Out of interest, what did the editorial at Boxing News make of it this week?

And how old and past it is Fury going to be whenever he deems to return? I see a lot of bodging around Morecambe and Lancaster with his cronies, and being a nuisance on social media, but not a lot else. I imagine Paris might pack her bags, as generally he’s totally insufferable when he’s unfocused and running around erratically making a pillock of himself.

chinarich wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 11:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.

Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 12:54

chinarich wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 11:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.

Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.

I think with Calzaghe he had that many hand injuries he just wasn’t fit to fight a lot of the time.

polecateddy wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 13:02

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 12:54

chinarich wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 11:33

In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.

Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.

I think with Calzaghe he had that many hand injuries he just wasn’t fit to fight a lot of the time.

There was definitely more to it than that, Calzaghe and his father both admitted he had a pathalogical fear of losing, and has done so ever since he lost as an amateur.

I think the story goes that after losing an amateur bout, maybe to Michael Smyth, when not 100%, he swore that he would only fight when fully fit.

Yes, but the reality, most professional athletes, and professional fighters especially, are almost never 100% fit, there is always some niggle or injury that's not fully healed.

Calzaght definitely had a problem with taking on the biggest fights, and it harmed his legacy big time.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 08:12 I think he’s lost the plot. It seems like he’s had everyone over. Fwank is far from thick and was convinced. Maybe Jimmy James Harrington was lying to my pal, Jimmy does seem a bit random to be part of the inner circle, which he undoubtedly is. I really don’t know. I don’t think he’s scared of Usyk but he’s well aware he will have to be 100% ready to beat him.

This

Fury - Wilder 4 is likely to rear its ugly head now .

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:37 A lot of good insight here from Uysk's promoter:

"If anyone else had been WBC Champion, the Undisputed match would have already happened in February or March".

We all know that it could have happened in December but Usyk turned it down.

i guess there wasnt enough for the 500million man

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 12:54

chinarich wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 11:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31 Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.

That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.

I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.

In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.

Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.

Interesting comparison with Calzaghe, certainly some similarities there in terms of contemporaries missing from records and it does taint the legacy. As an example and continuing with Calzaghe, he was a more talented boxer than Carl Froch and had the potential for real greatness if he had stepped out of his comfort zone, but Froch, although he lost some fights has the better legacy.

stevec@france wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 13:50 Fury - Wilder 4 is likely to rear its ugly head now .

Saad...

chinarich wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 14:39

stevec@france wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 13:50 Fury - Wilder 4 is likely to rear its ugly head now .

Saad...

Be great if Wilder cleaned his clock but no doubt Fury will have a rematch clause in place so they will fight 5 times.