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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Aug 2010, 17:38
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Thanks Robby. Great job....

Ditto :TU: Very good, Rob.
Please post any stories that you write.
They will be appreciated here.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 07:18
by Boxingnut
to Rick and Frank,

I got a little criticism for the article from some of the members of Eastside so to have two genuine boxing guys say well done means a lot. Thank you.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 09:44
by kikibalt
Boxingnut wrote:to Rick and Frank,

I got a little criticism for the article from some of the members of Eastside so to have two genuine boxing guys say well done means a lot. Thank you.
Criticism from anybody at Eastside Boxing is to be worn as a badge of honor..... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 13:25
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Boxingnut wrote:to Rick and Frank,

I got a little criticism for the article from some of the members of Eastside so to have two genuine boxing guys say well done means a lot. Thank you.
Criticism from anybody at Eastside Boxing is to be worn as a badge of honor..... :TU:

The majority of boxing sites I've found on the internet are garbage. Generally, there are a few knowledgable, serious posters. The rest are idiots, little knowedge and no class. We have them here on other threads, but not on this one. Why try to educate a moron? Your good writing will be appreciated by most, and once and awhile somebody will give you a compliment. As for the rest, as Ruben Navarro would say, "Feed 'em beans". :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 15:03
by Rick Farris
Remembering Tony . . .

One of my favorite boxers of all-time was just four years old when I first saw him in action.
It was amazing to see a little kid, less than 40 pounds, with so much ring class. Hands up, jabs, feints & a hook that floored kids.
He continued on thru the pee-wee's, juniors, amateurs and then pros. He fought and beat some of the best in the world.
I think what I like best about Tony Baltazar isn't the exciting moments he provided for his fans, but his humanity.

Tony Baltazar is one of the finest men I've met thru boxing. He has a great heart, people who have known Tony thru the years love him.
Today, I kinda keep up on him thru FaceBook, and of course, I know his dad.

This is one of my favorite T.B. pro fights, when he whipped Roger Mayweather in 1984.
Twenty-six years ago. I remember it like yesterday.
I was ringside, with actor Victor French, who was a Baltazar fan.
We were filming one of the last episodes of Little House on the Praire a couple days earlier, on a friday, when Vic asked me to join him for the fight.
"Have you ever seen this Baltazar kid fight?" Vic asked me.
"Oh yeah!" :OhYes:

This is what we saw that day, enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQqejWQcMs8


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 17:49
by Rick Farris
L.A. Boy's - The Over Achievers . . .

I can only go back as far as this thread allows, but taking it from this side of WW2, Los Angeles has produced dozen's of brilliant young boxers. I'm talking about fighters who had pro class boxing skills when they were kids.

During the mid-60's to 70's, I saw it up close and personal in Los Angeles.
I saw the Baltzar boys first, then Albert Davila, Bobby Rizo, the Sandoval's and many more.
Before that group came Mando Ramos and Jerry Quarry. Jerry began in the backyard gym of legendary manager, Johnny Flores.
And a few years before Jerry, there were kids named Keeny Teran, Gil Cadilli . . .

And an ELA kid named Oscar De La Hoya was a young star, as well.

I can't name everybody here. Frank could name many more. But we had some great young talent over the years.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 20:18
by kikibalt
It seems like today's fighters all want to be grunters, Cloud, Johnson and Alexander grunted with every punch they threw during their respective fights last night, I don't know if I'm just a grouchy old man; but I find that grunting annoying as hell, so much that I turn the sound of.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 21:44
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:It seems like today's fighters all want to be grunters, Cloud, Johnson and Alexander grunted with every punch they threw during their respective fight last night, I don't know if I'm just a grouchy old man; but I find that grunting annoying as hell, so much that I turn the sound of.... :witzend:
:lol: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and the man had a son. The son showed me his new video game, which featured animated boxers. The boxers on the screen grunted just like the guys last night. Considering the way guys fight these days, they may have learned boxing lessons from computor games. Sound effects and all.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 22:25
by Panzerfaust
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:It seems like today's fighters all want to be grunters, Cloud, Johnson and Alexander grunted with every punch they threw during their respective fight last night, I don't know if I'm just a grouchy old man; but I find that grunting annoying as hell, so much that I turn the sound of.... :witzend:
:lol: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and the man had a son. The son showed me his new video game, which featured animated boxers. The boxers on the screen grunted just like the guys last night. Considering the way guys fight these days, they may have learned boxing lessons from computor games. Sound effects and all.
Boxers of the east german school (if i remember correctly) not only grunt... they yell!!! Personally i prefer the ''tssst'' sound :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 22:44
by Rick Farris
Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:It seems like today's fighters all want to be grunters, Cloud, Johnson and Alexander grunted with every punch they threw during their respective fight last night, I don't know if I'm just a grouchy old man; but I find that grunting annoying as hell, so much that I turn the sound of.... :witzend:
:lol: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and the man had a son. The son showed me his new video game, which featured animated boxers. The boxers on the screen grunted just like the guys last night. Considering the way guys fight these days, they may have learned boxing lessons from computor games. Sound effects and all.
Boxers of the east german school (if i remember correctly) not only grunt... they yell!!! Personally i prefer the ''tssst'' sound :lol:
Remy . . . When I was a kid we had an amateur who trained with us at the Johnny Flores Gym. This guy used to grunt, growl and blow snot all over himself when he'd corner a guy. I remember the guy wasn't much of a hitter, but the sounds he'd make were something else. He sounded a lot more intimidating than he was. My only concern when boxing him was avoiding the crap he'd blow out of his nose. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 22:57
by Panzerfaust
Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: :lol: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and the man had a son. The son showed me his new video game, which featured animated boxers. The boxers on the screen grunted just like the guys last night. Considering the way guys fight these days, they may have learned boxing lessons from computor games. Sound effects and all.
Boxers of the east german school (if i remember correctly) not only grunt... they yell!!! Personally i prefer the ''tssst'' sound :lol:
Remy . . . When I was a kid we had an amateur who trained with us at the Johnny Flores Gym. This guy used to grunt, growl and blow snot all over himself when he'd corner a guy. I remember the guy wasn't much of a hitter, but the sounds he'd make were something else. He sounded a lot more intimidating than he was. My only concern when boxing him was avoiding the crap he'd blow out of his nose. :lol:
Then id take the yelling/roaring everyday of the week :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 01:15
by Rick Farris
A Few Minutes With Rocky Lockridge . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFUyEv7h ... re=related

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 02:02
by Rick Farris
Throwing Dirt . . .

Some of the greatest boxers in history were also some of the dirtiest.
Pro boxing isn't about trophies and medals, white uniforms or head gear. It's about money.
Money breeds the best and worst in people, especially so in professional boxing.

Dempsey would do whatever necessary to win, same with Roberto Duran, and L.A. headliner, Frankie Crawford was one of the dirtiest prizefighters of featherweight division during the late 60's-early 70's. I knew Frankie, boxed with him a few times as a pro. I also had a more personal friendship with him, I drove him to the gym a few times when he lost his drivers license in 1971. I never disrespected Crawford, and he never did me during our gym sessions.

However, matched with a hot Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins, rated #2 featherweight by The Ring Magazine, Crawford knew he'd need anything available to stop the deadly punching Hawkins.

As a 16-year-old amateur, I took great pride in fighting out of the same stable as Dwight Hawkins, Ruben Navarro and heavyweight contender, Jerry Quarry. What young boxer of the era wouldn't feel that way? I would attend Dwight's training sessions which were held in the upstairs ball room of the Alexandria Hotel. The ancient hotel was where George Parnassus had his office, and where his headliners would train, where the Greek boxing promoter could use them to publicize his up-coming events at the Forum.

On the weekend before the fight, all the boxers featured on the card, including Hawkins, Crawford, Jose Napoles, Richie Sue, Des Rea and Arturo Lomeli trained in public workouts held at the Alexandria.

Former world champ, Lauro Salas, would collect money at the door, 50 cents for spectators wishing to watch the fighters workout.
Hawkins is sitting on a fold up chair, beside the ring, wrapping his hands. I'm seated on the edge of the ring, across from him.
Hawkins begins to voice concerns over Crawford's blatant illegal tactics. "If he tries anything with me, he'll regret it!", Hawkins promised. The Hawk wasn't a talker, he meant business.

Sure enough, a few days later, the bell rings for round one. Crawford throws a low hook that lands below Hawkins belt. Dwight falls back to the canvas, gets to a knee and I knew what was about to follow. Dwight Hawkins took Crawford apart from that moment on. He beat Frankie with vicious combinations to the body and head. Frankie wasn't in with Mando Ramos this time, he was in with a guy who ripped an opponents body apart.

Crawford went thru the ropes in the eighth round. Was counted out before he could recover.
Dwight Hawkins beat the hell out of Frankie Crawford. Mando Ramos couldn't do it like that, neither could Saldivar, Jofre or Saijyo.
Dwight Hawkins is a true Classic American West Coast Boxer. He KOed the great Jose Beccera when he was just 17. Needs CBHOF induction this year. Frank, I'll find him for you and Don, if you're still interested.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 06:27
by bennie
If rumours milling around are true and Audley Harrison is the man in the opposite corner to David Haye on November 13 in Manchester, que sera, sera.
Haye was tied to a mandatory defence of his WBA heavyweight title earlier this year against gutsy American John Ruiz, who was eliminated in nine one-sided rounds in Manchester, so Haye is entitled to a soft second defence, a voluntary defence. Yes, the fans want to see the Bermondsey Bomber in there with one or both of the Klitschkos, Vitali and Wladimir, and there is real frustration at the choice of Harrison, a big, 38-year-old southpaw from Wembley with tiny fists and a fragile mind, but Muhammad Ali fought Rudi Lubbers and Jean-Pierre Coopman, Larry Holmes picked on Scott Frank and Lorenzo Zanon, Joe Louis devoured bums on a monthly basis and don’t get me started on the kind of opponents that the Klitschkos continue to play with.
Harrison also found himself scraping the barrel last year in Prizefighter but comes off a spectacular last-gasp knockout of Reading’s little Michael Sprott to win the vacant European heavyweight title. He got lucky, very lucky. Firstly, a rugged Pole, who would have chased Harrison right out of the ring, relinquished the title, then Sprott was just two minutes away from the title himself when a desperate Harrison found the target in the 12th round, and thirdly, the title secured Harrison an automatic world ranking, which led to this shot at the big one. From Prizefighter to world heavyweight title challenger: such is boxing in the 21st century.
Harrison is the Joe Bugner of his era, a frustratingly reluctant performer even with big physical advantages over his opponents. Harry Mullan once wrote of Aussie Joe: "…it looked to me like the old, familiar Bugner pattern of 20 seconds work followed by 30 seconds of mauling." This was before Bugner conned his way to a fight with Frank Bruno in London in 1987, for which he scaled more at the weigh-in than when he had arrived in the country. Harrison’s history follows the same head-shaking, dreary pattern as he uses the ring to avoid any exchanges and is outhustled by those who simply want it more. Belfast’s Martin Rogan stepped out of his cab to do just that in Manchester in 2008, but Harrison, booed out of the ring, managed to win Prizefighter last year against a trio of novices, prior to his shaky Sprott win.
Harrison’s chin, unlike Bugner’s, is seriously suspect and you wonder if he fights like he fights, throwing a handful of pitty-patty punches per round before getting on his bike, because he has no faith in his ability to hold a big shot. Sprott, an inconsistent performer on the European circuit and hardly a puncher in the Haye league, rocked him a few times and had previously poleaxed him with a sharp left hook. You can argue that Audley showed character to avenge that crushing setback, and he also avenged a disappointing loss to Danny Williams, in which he was down again, but this is a man who clearly needs second chances, and world heavyweight champions don’t give second chances. They do it on the first take.
Haye has jumped on and finished all but two of his 24 victims since turning pro as a cruiserweight in 2002, shrugging off his only defeat at the hands of Bolton iron man Carl Thompson in 2004 to wrest the undisputed world cruiserweight title with thumping stoppages of Jean-Marc Mormeck and Enzo Maccarinelli, before graduating to WBA heavyweight honours with an easy decision over Russian mammoth Nikolai Valuev last November in Germany, wobbling Valuev in the last round. He joined Evander Holyfield as a former cruiserweight star to make it among the giants and Haye’s age - 29 - gives him plenty of time to ready himself for those Klitschkos.
Harrison poses little or no threat to Haye’s aspirations. Audley is quick but only in spurts, and it took him nine rounds to stop Polish brawler Tomasz Bonin, a man whom Haye destroyed in 105 seconds, which is not a case of styles make fights, believe me. Haye is just as quick as Harrison and much the more powerful, much the more aggressive, much the stronger mentally. You can understand why people don’t like the match, but I would rather see Haye tee off on Harrison in front of 20,000 who 'know' the fighters than on someone like blubbery Chris Arreola. Harrison is still milking his Olympic success 10 years after the event. The time is more than right for Haye to hurl that gold medal into the river.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 09:52
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: :lol: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and the man had a son. The son showed me his new video game, which featured animated boxers. The boxers on the screen grunted just like the guys last night. Considering the way guys fight these days, they may have learned boxing lessons from computor games. Sound effects and all.
Boxers of the east german school (if i remember correctly) not only grunt... they yell!!! Personally i prefer the ''tssst'' sound :lol:
Remy . . . When I was a kid we had an amateur who trained with us at the Johnny Flores Gym. This guy used to grunt, growl and blow snot all over himself when he'd corner a guy. I remember the guy wasn't much of a hitter, but the sounds he'd make were something else. He sounded a lot more intimidating than he was. My only concern when boxing him was avoiding the crap he'd blow out of his nose. :lol:
Our own Alan Minter got a public warning in the '72 Olympics for grunting when he punched.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 10:21
by Chuck1052
Both Audley Harrison and Joe Bugner didn't have the fire in the belly and often were in dull bouts, but Bugner had far more ability and faced much better competition.

- Chuck Johnston

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 12:17
by kikibalt
Eddie "Bossman" Jones has passed away, he died Saturday Aug. 7,2010, of natural causes

Eddie Jones

division light heavyweight
alias Bossman

nationality United States
residence Oakland, California, United States

won 29 (KO 12) + lost 16 (KO 3) + drawn 3 = 48
rounds boxed 407 KO% 25


1976-08-24 193 Fonomanu Young Sekona 205 19-1-0

Honolulu, Hawaii, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-07-10 Jesse Burnett 13-3-1

Sports Arena, San Diego, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-02-26 193 Bruce Scott 185 9-31-1

Reno, Nevada, United States W TKO 8 8

Scott down three times in the 8th.

1974-02-08 178½ Rudiger Schmidtke 176¼ 30-5-3

Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany D PTS 10 10

1973-12-06 176 Tom Bogs 173 71-5-1

K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark L PTS 10 10

1973-08-28 Tom Bethea 14-13-1

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1973-04-19 Chuck Hamilton 16-15-0

Portland, Oregon, United States W KO 4

1973-03-01 176 Andy Kendall 175 41-8-8

Portland, Oregon, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-12-14 Andy Kendall 40-8-7

Portland, Oregon, United States D PTS 10 10

Kendall was knocked down in the 7th round.

1972-09-14 Len Hutchins 12-1-1

Kalamazoo, Michigan, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-08-15 Joe Burns 23-6-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-06-27 Joe Gholston 9-7-1

Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 6 6

1972-05-06 Victor Emilio Galindez 12-6-3

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-04-15 Avenamar Peralta 62-7-4

Mar del Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-03-28 181 Karl Zurheide 177 31-12-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-03-08 190 Carl Moore 185 19-26-6

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 5 10

1972-01-13 180 Ruben Figueroa 187 5-5-0

Reno, Nevada, United States W KO 6 10

1971-08-21 Vicente Rondon 32-5-1

Nuevo Circo, Caracas, Venezuela L UD 15 15

~ WBA World light heavyweight title ~

1971-07-07 175½ Chuck Hamilton 171½ 15-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1971-05-20 180 Terry Lee 176 11-9-3

Selland Arena, Fresno, California, United States W TKO 8 10

~ time: 2:35 | referee: Al Martinez ~

1970-10-26 Willis Earls 12-11-2

City Auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W KO 7

1970-07-11 Avenamar Peralta 54-3-4

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina W PTS 10 10

1970-06-30 170 Willis Earls 175 11-10-1

Houston, Texas, United States D PTS 10 10

1970-03-25 Johnny Griffin 12-2-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1970-02-11 Benny Lee Bowser 22-15-3

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-10-01 174 Jimmy Dupree 173 26-5-2

Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States L TKO 10 10

~ referee: Barney Felix ~

1969-07-16 Eddie Parotte 6-8-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-05-19 172 Roger Rouse 171½ 33-9-4

Convention Hall, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W RTD 8 10

1969-04-16 173 Eddie Parotte 173½ 6-7-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10

1969-02-12 175 Andy Kendall 23-4-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L SD 10 10

1968-09-25 173 Chuck Leslie 175 15-16-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12

1968-05-15 172 Levan Roundtree 12-5-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1968-04-10 176 Frank Niblett 171¼ 15-29-11

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-10-16 173 Henry Hank 163 58-24-4

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-09-11 Jimmy Dupree 19-3-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-08-07 174½ Harold Johnson 176¼ 73-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L PTS 10 10

1967-06-12 175 Dick Gosha 171 6-4-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 2

~ time: 2:27 ~

1967-05-15 170½ Allen Thomas 170½ 23-5-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 10

~ time: 2:20 | referee: Davey Pearl ~

1967-02-13 172½ Allen Thomas 167 22-5-2

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 10 10

1967-01-03 Jesse Bolen 2-3-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 8 10

1966-11-28 172½ Chuck Leslie 175 12-11-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1966-06-30 173 Billy Stephan 175 20-11-1

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 8 12

~ time: 3:00 | referee: Dick Young ~
California State Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator
Stephan was knocked down at the end of the 8th round, and the bout was stopped at the end of the rounds. Los Angeles Times

1966-05-31 186 Poasi Tuiono 189 4-4-0

Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L TKO 3 4

~ time: 1:12 ~

1966-04-07 173 Chuck Leslie 175 11-9-2

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10

1965-07-15 Robie Harris 0-3-1

Sacramento, California, United States W TKO 4

1965-06-26 187 Ray Junior Ellis
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L KO 1 4

~ time: 2:17 ~

1965-06-01 Robie Harris 0-2-1

Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1965-02-18 186 Joe Byron 176 11-13-2

Auditorium, Richmond, California, United States L PTS 4 4

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 12:32
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Throwing Dirt . . .

Some of the greatest boxers in history were also some of the dirtiest.
Pro boxing isn't about trophies and medals, white uniforms or head gear. It's about money.
Money breeds the best and worst in people, especially so in professional boxing.

Dempsey would do whatever necessary to win, same with Roberto Duran, and L.A. headliner, Frankie Crawford was one of the dirtiest prizefighters of featherweight division during the late 60's-early 70's. I knew Frankie, boxed with him a few times as a pro. I also had a more personal friendship with him, I drove him to the gym a few times when he lost his drivers license in 1971. I never disrespected Crawford, and he never did me during our gym sessions.

However, matched with a hot Dwight "The Hawk" Hawkins, rated #2 featherweight by The Ring Magazine, Crawford knew he'd need anything available to stop the deadly punching Hawkins.

As a 16-year-old amateur, I took great pride in fighting out of the same stable as Dwight Hawkins, Ruben Navarro and heavyweight contender, Jerry Quarry. What young boxer of the era wouldn't feel that way? I would attend Dwight's training sessions which were held in the upstairs ball room of the Alexandria Hotel. The ancient hotel was where George Parnassus had his office, and where his headliners would train, where the Greek boxing promoter could use them to publicize his up-coming events at the Forum.

On the weekend before the fight, all the boxers featured on the card, including Hawkins, Crawford, Jose Napoles, Richie Sue, Des Rea and Arturo Lomeli trained in public workouts held at the Alexandria.

Former world champ, Lauro Salas, would collect money at the door, 50 cents for spectators wishing to watch the fighters workout.
Hawkins is sitting on a fold up chair, beside the ring, wrapping his hands. I'm seated on the edge of the ring, across from him.
Hawkins begins to voice concerns over Crawford's blatant illegal tactics. "If he tries anything with me, he'll regret it!", Hawkins promised. The Hawk wasn't a talker, he meant business.

Sure enough, a few days later, the bell rings for round one. Crawford throws a low hook that lands below Hawkins belt. Dwight falls back to the canvas, gets to a knee and I knew what was about to follow. Dwight Hawkins took Crawford apart from that moment on. He beat Frankie with vicious combinations to the body and head. Frankie wasn't in with Mando Ramos this time, he was in with a guy who ripped an opponents body apart.

Crawford went thru the ropes in the eighth round. Was counted out before he could recover.
Dwight Hawkins beat the hell out of Frankie Crawford. Mando Ramos couldn't do it like that, neither could Saldivar, Jofre or Saijyo.
Dwight Hawkins is a true Classic American West Coast Boxer. He KOed the great Jose Beccera when he was just 17. Needs CBHOF induction this year. Frank, I'll find him for you and Don, if you're still interested.


-Rick Farris
Rick, you find the Hawk and he will be inducted.... :OhYes: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 12:46
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Eddie "Bossman" Jones has passed away, he die Saturday Aug. 7,2010, of natural causes

Eddie Jones

division light heavyweight
alias Bossman

nationality United States
residence Oakland, California, United States

won 29 (KO 12) + lost 16 (KO 3) + drawn 3 = 48
rounds boxed 407 KO% 25


1976-08-24 193 Fonomanu Young Sekona 205 19-1-0

Honolulu, Hawaii, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-07-10 Jesse Burnett 13-3-1

Sports Arena, San Diego, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-02-26 193 Bruce Scott 185 9-31-1

Reno, Nevada, United States W TKO 8 8

Scott down three times in the 8th.

1974-02-08 178½ Rudiger Schmidtke 176¼ 30-5-3

Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany D PTS 10 10

1973-12-06 176 Tom Bogs 173 71-5-1

K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark L PTS 10 10

1973-08-28 Tom Bethea 14-13-1

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1973-04-19 Chuck Hamilton 16-15-0

Portland, Oregon, United States W KO 4

1973-03-01 176 Andy Kendall 175 41-8-8

Portland, Oregon, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-12-14 Andy Kendall 40-8-7

Portland, Oregon, United States D PTS 10 10

Kendall was knocked down in the 7th round.

1972-09-14 Len Hutchins 12-1-1

Kalamazoo, Michigan, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-08-15 Joe Burns 23-6-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-06-27 Joe Gholston 9-7-1

Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 6 6

1972-05-06 Victor Emilio Galindez 12-6-3

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-04-15 Avenamar Peralta 62-7-4

Mar del Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-03-28 181 Karl Zurheide 177 31-12-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-03-08 190 Carl Moore 185 19-26-6

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 5 10

1972-01-13 180 Ruben Figueroa 187 5-5-0

Reno, Nevada, United States W KO 6 10

1971-08-21 Vicente Rondon 32-5-1

Nuevo Circo, Caracas, Venezuela L UD 15 15

~ WBA World light heavyweight title ~

1971-07-07 175½ Chuck Hamilton 171½ 15-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1971-05-20 180 Terry Lee 176 11-9-3

Selland Arena, Fresno, California, United States W TKO 8 10

~ time: 2:35 | referee: Al Martinez ~

1970-10-26 Willis Earls 12-11-2

City Auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W KO 7

1970-07-11 Avenamar Peralta 54-3-4

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina W PTS 10 10

1970-06-30 170 Willis Earls 175 11-10-1

Houston, Texas, United States D PTS 10 10

1970-03-25 Johnny Griffin 12-2-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1970-02-11 Benny Lee Bowser 22-15-3

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-10-01 174 Jimmy Dupree 173 26-5-2

Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States L TKO 10 10

~ referee: Barney Felix ~

1969-07-16 Eddie Parotte 6-8-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-05-19 172 Roger Rouse 171½ 33-9-4

Convention Hall, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W RTD 8 10

1969-04-16 173 Eddie Parotte 173½ 6-7-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10

1969-02-12 175 Andy Kendall 23-4-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L SD 10 10

1968-09-25 173 Chuck Leslie 175 15-16-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12

1968-05-15 172 Levan Roundtree 12-5-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1968-04-10 176 Frank Niblett 171¼ 15-29-11

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-10-16 173 Henry Hank 163 58-24-4

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-09-11 Jimmy Dupree 19-3-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-08-07 174½ Harold Johnson 176¼ 73-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L PTS 10 10

1967-06-12 175 Dick Gosha 171 6-4-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 2

~ time: 2:27 ~

1967-05-15 170½ Allen Thomas 170½ 23-5-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 10

~ time: 2:20 | referee: Davey Pearl ~

1967-02-13 172½ Allen Thomas 167 22-5-2

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 10 10

1967-01-03 Jesse Bolen 2-3-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 8 10

1966-11-28 172½ Chuck Leslie 175 12-11-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1966-06-30 173 Billy Stephan 175 20-11-1

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 8 12

~ time: 3:00 | referee: Dick Young ~
California State Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator
Stephan was knocked down at the end of the 8th round, and the bout was stopped at the end of the rounds. Los Angeles Times

1966-05-31 186 Poasi Tuiono 189 4-4-0

Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L TKO 3 4

~ time: 1:12 ~

1966-04-07 173 Chuck Leslie 175 11-9-2

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10

1965-07-15 Robie Harris 0-3-1

Sacramento, California, United States W TKO 4

1965-06-26 187 Ray Junior Ellis
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L KO 1 4

~ time: 2:17 ~

1965-06-01 Robie Harris 0-2-1

Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1965-02-18 186 Joe Byron 176 11-13-2

Auditorium, Richmond, California, United States L PTS 4 4
Boss Man . . .

Eddie Jones was one of my favorite L.A. boxers, but he rarely got much work in Los Angeles.
My best memories of Jones took place in gym sparring sessions with the best in the world.
I rarely saw him in action in actual matches, but I'll never forget Jones, a natural light heavy, flooring Jerry Quarry with a hook to the body.
It was usually Jerry who put his sparring partners on the deck, holding their sides, but it was Quarry on the deck on this day.
Jones and Ken Norton were also known for some wild sparring sessions.
Last I heard Eddie was working in a liquor store near Watts. Sadly, a lot of great boxers from the past take little more than memories from their boxing careers. Eddie was one of those special fighters that never held a title. LA is full of them, guys like Dwight Hawkins, Adolf Pruitt, so many others. It seems top boxing talent was plentiful in days gone by, no longer. Eddie Jones was a true Classic American West Coast boxer, world class for sure.
I didn't know Eddie Jones, just watched him up close on a number of occasions. A real prizefighter. A real man in the ring.
Rest in peace, Boss Man.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 13:10
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Eddie "Bossman" Jones has passed away, he die Saturday Aug. 7,2010, of natural causes

Eddie Jones

division light heavyweight
alias Bossman

nationality United States
residence Oakland, California, United States

won 29 (KO 12) + lost 16 (KO 3) + drawn 3 = 48
rounds boxed 407 KO% 25


1976-08-24 193 Fonomanu Young Sekona 205 19-1-0

Honolulu, Hawaii, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-07-10 Jesse Burnett 13-3-1

Sports Arena, San Diego, California, United States L PTS 10 10

1976-02-26 193 Bruce Scott 185 9-31-1

Reno, Nevada, United States W TKO 8 8

Scott down three times in the 8th.

1974-02-08 178½ Rudiger Schmidtke 176¼ 30-5-3

Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany D PTS 10 10

1973-12-06 176 Tom Bogs 173 71-5-1

K.B. Hallen, Copenhagen, Denmark L PTS 10 10

1973-08-28 Tom Bethea 14-13-1

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1973-04-19 Chuck Hamilton 16-15-0

Portland, Oregon, United States W KO 4

1973-03-01 176 Andy Kendall 175 41-8-8

Portland, Oregon, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-12-14 Andy Kendall 40-8-7

Portland, Oregon, United States D PTS 10 10

Kendall was knocked down in the 7th round.

1972-09-14 Len Hutchins 12-1-1

Kalamazoo, Michigan, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-08-15 Joe Burns 23-6-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States L PTS 10 10

1972-06-27 Joe Gholston 9-7-1

Convention Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 6 6

1972-05-06 Victor Emilio Galindez 12-6-3

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-04-15 Avenamar Peralta 62-7-4

Mar del Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina L PTS 10 10

1972-03-28 181 Karl Zurheide 177 31-12-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1972-03-08 190 Carl Moore 185 19-26-6

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 5 10

1972-01-13 180 Ruben Figueroa 187 5-5-0

Reno, Nevada, United States W KO 6 10

1971-08-21 Vicente Rondon 32-5-1

Nuevo Circo, Caracas, Venezuela L UD 15 15

~ WBA World light heavyweight title ~

1971-07-07 175½ Chuck Hamilton 171½ 15-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1971-05-20 180 Terry Lee 176 11-9-3

Selland Arena, Fresno, California, United States W TKO 8 10

~ time: 2:35 | referee: Al Martinez ~

1970-10-26 Willis Earls 12-11-2

City Auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia, United States W KO 7

1970-07-11 Avenamar Peralta 54-3-4

Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina W PTS 10 10

1970-06-30 170 Willis Earls 175 11-10-1

Houston, Texas, United States D PTS 10 10

1970-03-25 Johnny Griffin 12-2-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1970-02-11 Benny Lee Bowser 22-15-3

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-10-01 174 Jimmy Dupree 173 26-5-2

Armory, Jersey City, New Jersey, United States L TKO 10 10

~ referee: Barney Felix ~

1969-07-16 Eddie Parotte 6-8-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1969-05-19 172 Roger Rouse 171½ 33-9-4

Convention Hall, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W RTD 8 10

1969-04-16 173 Eddie Parotte 173½ 6-7-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10

1969-02-12 175 Andy Kendall 23-4-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L SD 10 10

1968-09-25 173 Chuck Leslie 175 15-16-5

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12

1968-05-15 172 Levan Roundtree 12-5-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1968-04-10 176 Frank Niblett 171¼ 15-29-11

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-10-16 173 Henry Hank 163 58-24-4

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-09-11 Jimmy Dupree 19-3-1

New Orleans, Louisiana, United States W PTS 10 10

1967-08-07 174½ Harold Johnson 176¼ 73-10-0

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L PTS 10 10

1967-06-12 175 Dick Gosha 171 6-4-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 2

~ time: 2:27 ~

1967-05-15 170½ Allen Thomas 170½ 23-5-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 4 10

~ time: 2:20 | referee: Davey Pearl ~

1967-02-13 172½ Allen Thomas 167 22-5-2

Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 10 10

1967-01-03 Jesse Bolen 2-3-0

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W KO 8 10

1966-11-28 172½ Chuck Leslie 175 12-11-2

Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W PTS 10 10

1966-06-30 173 Billy Stephan 175 20-11-1

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 8 12

~ time: 3:00 | referee: Dick Young ~
California State Light Heavyweight Title Eliminator
Stephan was knocked down at the end of the 8th round, and the bout was stopped at the end of the rounds. Los Angeles Times

1966-05-31 186 Poasi Tuiono 189 4-4-0

Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L TKO 3 4

~ time: 1:12 ~

1966-04-07 173 Chuck Leslie 175 11-9-2

Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10

1965-07-15 Robie Harris 0-3-1

Sacramento, California, United States W TKO 4

1965-06-26 187 Ray Junior Ellis
Auditorium, Oakland, California, United States L KO 1 4

~ time: 2:17 ~

1965-06-01 Robie Harris 0-2-1

Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, California, United States W PTS 4 4

1965-02-18 186 Joe Byron 176 11-13-2

Auditorium, Richmond, California, United States L PTS 4 4
Who didn't this guy fight? Eddie went in with some real animals and tamed a few.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 13:33
by Rick Farris
Very true, Bennie. I was looking over Eddie's record, as it was in 1966-69, when I would watch him on occasion working at the Main Street Gym.
Harold Johnson, Jimmy Dupree, Henry Hank, etc.
Eddie would go into the other guys hometown, it's as if Eddie had no home. In Los Angeles, he was avoided.
Don't be fooled by his record, it's typical of some of the best fighters of the era who were "too good for their own good".

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 14:58
by bennie
A name familiar to all fight fans of a mature disposition, Eddie "Bossman" Jones, passed away on Saturday of natural causes.
Jones, a rugged, aggressive light-heavyweight from California, took on the best in his division for over a decade, and I mean the best. It is hard to depict how deep the light-heavyweight ranks were before other weights decimated the lines in recent years, but a quick glance at Eddie’s record does the job. Jones turned pro in 1965, had his nose spread in early fights against Harold Johnson, Jimmy Dupree and Henry Hank, tightened up his defence and worked his way to a shot at the WBA title held by Venezeula’s Vicente Rondon, whom he took the full 15 rounds in Caracas in 1971, before establishing himself as one of the toughest, cutest men around against the likes of Victor Galindez, Jesse Burnett, Len Hutchins, Tom Bethea, Andy Kendall, Rudiger Schmidtke and Tom Bogs, the latter two in Europe. Eddie was forced on the road because he couldn’t get a fight in California. Ex-pro Rick Farris describes him as "too good for his own good - it's as if Eddie had no home."
As his career relented in the mid-1970s, his obvious assets were preyed upon by the leading heavyweights of the day, all basking in a golden era, as Jerry Quarry, Ken Norton and George Foreman used him extensively in the gym. Eddie is perhaps best known as one of Muhammad Ali’s sparmates for the "Rumble in the Jungle" in Zaire in 1974, along with a young Larry Holmes and the much-avoided Roy Williams. When they said Ali enjoyed the greatest sparring imaginable for Foreman, they were not kidding. Jones played his part in an unforgettable win for Ali, and an unforgettable night for boxing.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 15:02
by BoxBuzz
Thanks Bennie, nicely written tribute to a very talented fighter.

May he rest in peace.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 15:31
by kikibalt
Thanks Short, its up in my blog.....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 09 Aug 2010, 15:35
by Rick Farris
bennie wrote:A name familiar to all fight fans of a mature disposition, Eddie "Bossman" Jones, passed away on Saturday of natural causes.
Jones, a rugged, aggressive light-heavyweight from California, took on the best in his division for over a decade, and I mean the best. It is hard to depict how deep the light-heavyweight ranks were before other weights decimated the lines in recent years, but a quick glance at Eddie’s record does the job. Jones turned pro in 1965, had his nose spread in early fights against Harold Johnson, Jimmy Dupree and Henry Hank, tightened up his defence and worked his way to a shot at the WBA title held by Venezeula’s Vicente Rondon, whom he took the full 15 rounds in Caracas in 1971, before establishing himself as one of the toughest, cutest men around against the likes of Victor Galindez, Jesse Burnett, Len Hutchins, Tom Bethea, Andy Kendall, Rudiger Schmidtke and Tom Bogs, the latter two in Europe. Eddie was forced on the road because he couldn’t get a fight in California. Ex-pro Rick Farris describes him as "too good for his own good - it's as if Eddie had no home."
As his career relented in the mid-1970s, his obvious assets were preyed upon by the leading heavyweights of the day, all basking in a golden era, as Jerry Quarry, Ken Norton and George Foreman used him extensively in the gym. Eddie is perhaps best known as one of Muhammad Ali’s sparmates for the "Rumble in the Jungle" in Zaire in 1974, along with a young Larry Holmes and the much-avoided Roy Williams. When they say Ali enjoyed the greatest sparring imaginable for Foreman, they were not kidding. Jones played his part in an unforgettable win for Ali, and an unforgettable night for boxing.

:TU: Good story, Bennie. Nice history on Eddie Jones.
I like you highlighted his sparring sessions with Ali.
When Eddie Jones was a sparring partner for Norton, Kenny found one of his lady friends in bed with Jones.
Eddie was fired and left the training camp. Remembering the ego and quirky nature of Ken Norton, I found the story funny.