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Thanks Rick. Commercial store fires like this type in which a collapse occured are common events if the fire burns long enough. Fire Dept officers need their eyes and ears at all times in case they got to pull the troops out. It even becomes more dangerous if an accelerant is used throughout the structure. The basements of these structures are inherant dangers especially because of the fire load (weight) on the main and top floors.
Three years ago 9 firefighters lost their lives in Charleston , S. Carolina in a furniture warehouse because the roof collapsed and the FF's couldnt find their way out.Their original exit was blocked. Their air supply ran out and they suffocated. Some were crushed by the weight of the A/C unit on roof hitting them.Two civilians (the only 2 people in the bldg at the time) were saved before the collapse.
Fires in urban areas in depressed cities are a real trouble. Squatters take up residence and FF's NEED to go in and save them if possible.
I seen events like this first hand, each time a little more of my heart weakens on such news. Its a terrible thing for families and the firefighters to endure. These men and women are the TRUE heroes of our nations firefighting teams.

Rick Farris wrote:'Suspicious' blaze hurts 6 Detroit firefighters
Firefighters injured in Detroit collapse .






S. Chen / AP
Map locates site of a commercial building fire and collapse that injured emergency responders.Detroit Mayor Dave Bing said he was "saddened and disappointed," to hear it may have been arson.

It is "our responsibility as a community to help put an end to the dangerous and irresponsible behaviors that puts all of at risk," the mayor said in a statement. ."

By any chance, does anyone know if the Mayor Dave Bing, is the same Dave Bing of NBA fame from the Detroit Pistons.? If it is, besides "The Body" Ventura in Minn. , what other sports heroes are mayors or Govs.? Bill Bradley and Jack Kemp were in Congress. Any others ? How about boxers.? Any.

Rick Farris wrote:His best days behind him, Jerry Quarry schools Earnie Shavers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEpVPBH12Ik

We've all seen it. But it's one I continue to enjoy on occasion.
I remember the night it took place, I watched it with a friend on Closed-Circuit TV at the Anaheim Convention Center.
I recall Jerry's father, Jack, escorting some old broad with flame red hair. I spotted Pa Quarry taking bows just inside the front gate, after his son had blasted out Shavers in one round. I knew at the time Jerry and his father were not on speaking terms.
Jack spotted me and we shook hands, I congratulated him on his son's win.
He introduced his lady friend to us, they were both drunk. Her red hair seemed to have shed all over his polyester leisure suit.
But Jack had good reason to be proud of his son. Jerry was a heavy under dog, despite the Lyle and Foster wins.
This is one of the versions I choose to remember of Jerry's career, and of course, the KO of Scrap Iron Johnson.

Rick, loved your rendition of old Jack Quarry with the red head. I strated thinking of Jerry himself with that nut-job he married named Arlene Charles. She was some former model, who I think married one of the Dave Clark Five after divorcing Jerry. I recall a funny story told by Gil Clancy how he used to have to keep a serene dressing room before a fight as Jerry was keen to get stressed if something rattled the cage. Everyone in the party knew this yet, in comes 'Charlie' as she was known, screeching at the top of her lungs, "Did you see the seats they provided out here.....?!" Clancy would have to get some assistant to get her the hell out, take care of what she demanded and then try to coax Jerry off the ledge. Too funny, but not to Gil.

Scartissue

Rick Farris wrote:Long Beach Auditorium
December 4, 1971

Ray White W Terry Lee SD 12 12
Danny Kimberling D Bobby Stripling PTS 6 6
Rick Farris W Edel Borunda PTS 4 4
Cesar Chuy Chavez W Carmelo Enriquez KO 3 4
David Love W Manuel Caballero KO 3
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The Windmill . . .

Ray "Windmill" White could really fight. He was awkward, a nightmare who would likely embarass an opponent.
He definitly made a few mad. Ray had a following, fans who enjoyed his antics. Count me as one of them.
Ray White was a good man. Trained amateurs in Ventura County. A carpenter, and subject of a LIFE Magazine article.

My Dad and I used to love watching the 'Windmill' on the old 'Boxing from the Forum' telecasts. Great TV. Remember how they used to introduce him as 'the fighting carpenter'? Laughed my arse off one night when during a round some wise ass yells out, "Hey, Ray, I hope you're a good carpenter!" Mickey Davies and Tom Harmon were laughing, the crowd was laughing, even Ray heard it, as he just dropped his hands, stood back and waved the guy off. Fun times. I'll bet Ray could fill a book with some of the antics that went on. Once read an article about him fighting in Ohio, where they had no supplies available. Not to be outdone, he sent some woman into a bathroom and taped himself up with kotex under his gauze wraps.

Scartissue

kikibalt wrote:Long time Los Angeles boxing trainer/manager and bail bonds man, Henry Blouin has died. Henry and Jerry Moore were partner's in the boxing biz...

Frank, didn't they handle Jimmy Heair? I think I read an interview by Heair years later where he said the worst mistake he made was leaving them.

Scartissue

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Bennie . . .

Could you give us a report on Alan Rudkin?
What has he done since boxing?

I don't know to be honest, Rick. I know he squandered his money and lives a blue-collar life in Liverpool.

Bennie, like Rick, I grew up reading the exploits of the Brits in Ring or B.I. and eventually subscribed for over 10 years to Boxing News. Man, back in the day when I could remember all of the world champs, I could also name off the Euro champs, British Commonwealth and British champs. I was always amazed back then how even British title fights were fought over 15 rounds. What happened to the sport? Gone are the days where a Minter-Finnegan rivalry could be fought 3 times over 15 rounds. All closely contested. It was a always a joy to read of Rudkin, Johnny Clark (I was hyped for the Rafael Herrera-Clark 118 lb. title fight until Clark had to retire due to a detached retina, although I don't think Clark would have taken him it would have been a great contest), Vernon Sollas (still amazed he stopped the rock-jawed James Martinez), Buchanan, Boy Green, Conteh and Bugner. Good times.

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Long time Los Angeles boxing trainer/manager and bail bonds man, Henry Blouin has died. Henry and Jerry Moore were partner's in the boxing biz...

Frank, didn't they handle Jimmy Heair? I think I read an interview by Heair years later where he said the worst mistake he made was leaving them.

Scartissue

Yes, they did, Dan, and it Heair' s worst mistake, he went downhill after he left them...

scartissue wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Long Beach Auditorium
December 4, 1971

Ray White W Terry Lee SD 12 12
Danny Kimberling D Bobby Stripling PTS 6 6
Rick Farris W Edel Borunda PTS 4 4
Cesar Chuy Chavez W Carmelo Enriquez KO 3 4
David Love W Manuel Caballero KO 3
-----------------------------------------------


The Windmill . . .

Ray "Windmill" White could really fight. He was awkward, a nightmare who would likely embarass an opponent.
He definitly made a few mad. Ray had a following, fans who enjoyed his antics. Count me as one of them.
Ray White was a good man. Trained amateurs in Ventura County. A carpenter, and subject of a LIFE Magazine article.

My Dad and I used to love watching the 'Windmill' on the old 'Boxing from the Forum' telecasts. Great TV. Remember how they used to introduce him as 'the fighting carpenter'? Laughed my arse off one night when during a round some wise ass yells out, "Hey, Ray, I hope you're a good carpenter!" Mickey Davies and Tom Harmon were laughing, the crowd was laughing, even Ray heard it, as he just dropped his hands, stood back and waved the guy off. Fun times. I'll bet Ray could fill a book with some of the antics that went on. Once read an article about him fighting in Ohio, where they had no supplies available. Not to be outdone, he sent some woman into a bathroom and taped himself up with kotex under his gauze wraps.

Scartissue

Dan, you mention "Kotex", and I remember I used to wrap Frankie's and Tony's hands with Kotex's pads during gym workouts, the Kotex pads's made a good cushion for sore hands.

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Bennie . . .

Could you give us a report on Alan Rudkin?
What has he done since boxing?

I don't know to be honest, Rick. I know he squandered his money and lives a blue-collar life in Liverpool.

Bennie, like Rick, I grew up reading the exploits of the Brits in Ring or B.I. and eventually subscribed for over 10 years to Boxing News. Man, back in the day when I could remember all of the world champs, I could also name off the Euro champs, British Commonwealth and British champs. I was always amazed back then how even British title fights were fought over 15 rounds. What happened to the sport? Gone are the days where a Minter-Finnegan rivalry could be fought 3 times over 15 rounds. All closely contested. It was a always a joy to read of Rudkin, Johnny Clark (I was hyped for the Rafael Herrera-Clark 118 lb. title fight until Clark had to retire due to a detached retina, although I don't think Clark would have taken him it would have been a great contest), Vernon Sollas (still amazed he stopped the rock-jawed James Martinez), Buchanan, Boy Green, Conteh and Bugner. Good times.

Scartissue

Ironically, it was 15-rounders that cost Sollas, Dan, who ran out of gas in fights he was dominating. Today, over 12 rounds, this kid would have been something. You know, Sollas was all through at 23, in an era when there were no Mickey Mouse titles, no ways to re-invent.
Johnny Clark was seriously hurt in a car crash in the 1980s - at death's door - but made a remarkable recovery and today lives in quiet anonymity in London. His neighbours don't even know he was a fighter.

If you can't fight, wear a big hat. This is me picking up a degree in history as a mature student in 1999. I spent most of the three years drinking and eating fast food. I even got a Christmas card from a local Chinese takeaway.

bennie wrote:

If you can't fight, wear a big hat. This is me picking up a degree in history as a mature student in 1999. I spent most of the three years drinking and eating fast food. I even got a Christmas card from a local Chinese takeaway.

Are you sure that's not a degree from a reform school?....

Either way congrats, Bennie....

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Bennie . . .

Could you give us a report on Alan Rudkin?
What has he done since boxing?

I don't know to be honest, Rick. I know he squandered his money and lives a blue-collar life in Liverpool.

Bennie, like Rick, I grew up reading the exploits of the Brits in Ring or B.I. and eventually subscribed for over 10 years to Boxing News. Man, back in the day when I could remember all of the world champs, I could also name off the Euro champs, British Commonwealth and British champs. I was always amazed back then how even British title fights were fought over 15 rounds. What happened to the sport? Gone are the days where a Minter-Finnegan rivalry could be fought 3 times over 15 rounds. All closely contested. It was a always a joy to read of Rudkin, Johnny Clark (I was hyped for the Rafael Herrera-Clark 118 lb. title fight until Clark had to retire due to a detached retina, although I don't think Clark would have taken him it would have been a great contest), Vernon Sollas (still amazed he stopped the rock-jawed James Martinez), Buchanan, Boy Green, Conteh and Bugner. Good times.

Scartissue

Agreed, Scar. Like you, I knew all the British, European and Commonwealth champs. Those titles meant more in the day because world titles meant more. We'd have State titles in the U.S. etc. And they really meant more. Today, we can't keep track of the world champions, too many. And you bring up a great point about these titles being fought for over fifteen rounds.
I remember that, unlike our state titles, etc. being twelve rounders.

Rick Farris wrote:

scartissue wrote:

bennie wrote: I don't know to be honest, Rick. I know he squandered his money and lives a blue-collar life in Liverpool.

Bennie, like Rick, I grew up reading the exploits of the Brits in Ring or B.I. and eventually subscribed for over 10 years to Boxing News. Man, back in the day when I could remember all of the world champs, I could also name off the Euro champs, British Commonwealth and British champs. I was always amazed back then how even British title fights were fought over 15 rounds. What happened to the sport? Gone are the days where a Minter-Finnegan rivalry could be fought 3 times over 15 rounds. All closely contested. It was a always a joy to read of Rudkin, Johnny Clark (I was hyped for the Rafael Herrera-Clark 118 lb. title fight until Clark had to retire due to a detached retina, although I don't think Clark would have taken him it would have been a great contest), Vernon Sollas (still amazed he stopped the rock-jawed James Martinez), Buchanan, Boy Green, Conteh and Bugner. Good times.

Scartissue

Agreed, Scar. Like you, I knew all the British, European and Commonwealth champs. Those titles meant more in the day because world titles meant more. We'd have State titles in the U.S. etc. And they really meant more. Today, we can't keep track of the world champions, too many. And you bring up a great point about these titles being fought for over fifteen rounds.
I remember that, unlike our state titles, etc. being twelve rounders.

Rick, remember when you, John Bardelli and I were discussing some of the old time Brits such as Len Wickwar and Nipper Pat Daly? Well, check out Billy Bird when you get a chance. Over 300 fights. Read an article on him once that stated he fought 3 times in one day. An early afternoon show, then a late afternoon show. A promoter found him having dinner in a chip shop with his family and came in to tell him a fighter fell through in a show in the next town scheduled for the evening. The story was that Billy packed up his gear in the chip shop and hopped a train to the venue for the 3rd bout that day. Amazing.

Scartissue

Where Have All the Boxers Gone?
By Hunter Prichard

You see them in there all the time, forgotten old men sittings in plastic chairs inside the dusty old gym next to the ring, still drying from the sweat and blood fresh from another mid-afternoon battle.

They talk uppercuts and right hooks and stories about Sugar Ray. Or the time they trained a young kid who worked too hard, and then drove him four hours to some rundown gym in a hick town up North, just so he could get his head bashed in by another amateur looking for his title shot.
Boxing has lost its flavor. In this country, the sport used to mean something. A "big fight" was the equivalent of the Super Bowl, either watched on television or listened to by millions on the radio.
Have you every watched a Los Angeles Lakers game and been amazed that every A-list celebrity is sitting in the first row with big smiles on their faces? That was boxing times ten. The boxers were bigger then life: Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Sugar Ray, Mike Tyson, "Hitman" Hearns…

Where has all the magic gone?

In the last 20 years, the sport of boxing has been in the midst of a vicious tornado of dope testing and alleged fixed fights. The promoters behind the fights are well known to base their endorsements on style and flash instead of content. Less is made out of the athletes' actual skill and determination. Instead the fights are hyped around made-up beefs between the two camps and meaningless backstories put in place to extenuate the "toughness" and "brutality" of the fighters.

Don King, the flamboyant and infamous boxing promoter, had been at the center of this boxing maelstrom. He is part of the reason why there is now this intense favoring of the "bad boy" image. Gone are the world-class, politically active champion fighters like Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis.

Eventually, this image problem will pass. Boxing has been on a downward slide in money and in popularity for a number of years. Eventually, somewhat because of the recent onslaught of bad press in other sports (steroids in baseball, and the court cases of Donte Stallworth, Michael Vick, and Plaxico Burress in football), boxing will regain its composure and become a sport worth watching and following again.
The promoters are smart people. They understand that they are losing money and want to change it.
Doping used to be a huge problem, but now there are numerous tests for these boxers, plus the added pressure that one bad test will mean both a ban and a complete thrashing in the court of public opinion. Boxing, a sport built on brawn, will not be tolerated if it becomes clear that there is a soft penalty for steroids or HGH.

The crime of fixing fights in boxing is something that boxing fanatics have struggled with in the past. Usually, no matter how hard the fighters and the gamblers work behind the scenes to ensure invisibility, it is quite easy to pick out a fixed fight. They have learned that the more fights there are like this, the less money they will make. Nobody is going to bet if they assume something is fixed in one fighter's advantage.

Although we, as sports fans, are far from the days where we can look at boxing with pride, it is a sport that has gotten better in recent years and will continue to improve.
Old fighters and trainers have reason to look on boxing's current state with disgust. Hopefully it changes, and a new generation, many years from now, will be awed by the various boxing legends, just like people now think back to the '60s or '70s, and reminisce.

scartissue wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

scartissue wrote: Bennie, like Rick, I grew up reading the exploits of the Brits in Ring or B.I. and eventually subscribed for over 10 years to Boxing News. Man, back in the day when I could remember all of the world champs, I could also name off the Euro champs, British Commonwealth and British champs. I was always amazed back then how even British title fights were fought over 15 rounds. What happened to the sport? Gone are the days where a Minter-Finnegan rivalry could be fought 3 times over 15 rounds. All closely contested. It was a always a joy to read of Rudkin, Johnny Clark (I was hyped for the Rafael Herrera-Clark 118 lb. title fight until Clark had to retire due to a detached retina, although I don't think Clark would have taken him it would have been a great contest), Vernon Sollas (still amazed he stopped the rock-jawed James Martinez), Buchanan, Boy Green, Conteh and Bugner. Good times.

Scartissue

Agreed, Scar. Like you, I knew all the British, European and Commonwealth champs. Those titles meant more in the day because world titles meant more. We'd have State titles in the U.S. etc. And they really meant more. Today, we can't keep track of the world champions, too many. And you bring up a great point about these titles being fought for over fifteen rounds.
I remember that, unlike our state titles, etc. being twelve rounders.

Rick, remember when you, John Bardelli and I were discussing some of the old time Brits such as Len Wickwar and Nipper Pat Daly? Well, check out Billy Bird when you get a chance. Over 300 fights. Read an article on him once that stated he fought 3 times in one day. An early afternoon show, then a late afternoon show. A promoter found him having dinner in a chip shop with his family and came in to tell him a fighter fell through in a show in the next town scheduled for the evening. The story was that Billy packed up his gear in the chip shop and hopped a train to the venue for the 3rd bout that day. Amazing.

Scartissue

Dan, Billy Bird is also one of the all-time great KO punchers, his name right at the top of the list of most KO's scored.

The Ring Record Book and Encyclopedia:

1. Archie Moore Lt. Heavy 1936-63 130
2. Young Stribling Heavy 1921-33 126
3. Billy Bird Welter 1920-48 125
4. George Odwel Welter 1930-45 114
5. Sugar Ray Robinson Middle 1902-26 110
6. Sandy Saddler Feather 1944-56 103
7. Sam Langford Middle 1902-26 102
8. Henry Armstrong Welter 1931-45 100
9. Jimmy Wilde Fly 1911-23 98
10. Len Wickwar Lt Heavy 1928-47 93

(Courtesy John Bardelli)

Cuties . . .

I hadn't heard the reference in many years. It was old school. Came from my buddy, Dan Hanley.
Dan and I interviewed eight boxing legends at the 2007 WBHOF banquet event.
The second interview was handled brilliantly by Dan, a former middleweight contender, Inducted into the WBHOF as a trainer of champions.
George Benton was one of those cagey Philadelphia fighters I heard about often as I grew up.
George fought eveybody, was mob controlled by Frankie Carbo, never got a title shot. Yeah, he deserved one. No doubt!

During the interview, Dan asks Benton how he rates today fighters with those of the past. His answer?
You shall know soon enough. It's finally edited and ready for CAWCB viewing very soon.

Dan also pointed out to Benton that there were no longer any "cuties" in boxing.
A cutie was one of those boxers who was always calm, cool & collected, even under great pressure.
George Benton was a cutie, as were many of his era, such as former champ Joey Giardello, Holly Mimms, etc.
As I watched over this interview from cameraside, I could not have been happier.

Benton knew exactly what Hanley was referring to when he said "cuties".
While average boxers play checkers, a cutie will play chess. And more often than not- Checkmate!
As I mentioned, Benton was a cutie, hence the smile on his face when he heard Dan's reference.

You gotta know and appreciate the history. You gotta know the fighters.


-Rick Farris

When did this start???

In recent years, when ever I'm in a photo with another boxing personality, it seems we're encouraged to raise our fists.
I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??
Danny "Little Red" Lopez and I boxed hundreds of rounds in the gym together.
I like pictures that put me with friends from the past.
I just don't get the "raise the fist" thing.

Do you think I want to raise my fist next to Duran or Tyson?
Suggesting that there might be a similarity? Not me.

I'm looking at some photos a few minutes ago on an on-line boxing site.
Chris Arreola must have won last night, because the event promoters which are Dan Goossen and Ken Thompson are posing with Arreola.
Now in this type of photo, nobody is making a fist. Thompson is pointing one of his fingers at the fighter.
On the other side of the boxer, Goossen is doing the same thing. They are pointing as if they have to identify who did the fighting.

OK, you might think I'm being a little to observant. Maybe so? But this finger pointing nuance is the act of a jackanapes.
Both Ken and Dan are friends of mine, maybe close aquaintences is more accurate.
Thompson is a former WBHOF President and the Goossens I've known for 25 years.
Both men are beyond successful in life. And both are good guys.
Lose the finger pointing guys, it looks disingenuous. We know who the hero is.

Rick Farris wrote: I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??

ch
I think that is it. As for when it started i dont know, but if you look at alot of the pictures of old timers in the Charlie Norkus thread they do the same in alot of pictures.

Me and Freddie... notice the dumb look on my face

Question for Charlie Norkus . . .

Hey Charlie, in 1964, I had a chance to meet a retired heavyweight on the film set of a TV series.
The boxer, Roland Lastarza, fought Marciano for the title, and also fought your dad in 1954.
Your dad whipped LaStarza in the fight.
Two years prior, your dad was scheduled to fight La Starza, but he pulls out of the fight.
Tommy Harrison replaces La Starza.

Your dad was part of a historic era. The way boxing was controlled in those days.
I imagine your dad a very interesting man.

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??

ch
I think that is it. As for when it started i dont know, but if you look at alot of the pictures of old timers in the Charlie Norkus thread they do the same in alot of pictures.

Maybe so, Remy. I see it having a place, but not in every photo.
Something about a couple guys, standing in a suit, holding up fists.

Now if it were the Quarry's, you never knew what might happen?
Guys have been punched for lot less than raising a fist to a Quarry.
Asking Jerry to demonstrate his hook to the liver landed a reporter in the emergency room.
Fist raising around Jerry Quarry was a

Panzerfaust wrote:

Me and Freddie... notice the dumb look on my face

Great, great photo!!!

Rick Farris wrote:When did this start???

In recent years, when ever I'm in a photo with another boxing personality, it seems we're encouraged to raise our fists.
I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??
Danny "Little Red" Lopez and I boxed hundreds of rounds in the gym together.
I like pictures that put me with friends from the past.
I just don't get the "raise the fist" thing.

Do you think I want to raise my fist next to Duran or Tyson?
Suggesting that there might be a similarity? Not me.

I'm looking at some photos a few minutes ago on an on-line boxing site.
Chris Arreola must have won last night, because the event promoters which are Dan Goossen and Ken Thompson are posing with Arreola.
Now in this type of photo, nobody is making a fist. Thompson is pointing one of his fingers at the fighter.
On the other side of the boxer, Goossen is doing the same thing. They are pointing as if they have to identify who did the fighting.

OK, you might think I'm being a little to observant. Maybe so? But this finger pointing nuance is the act of a jackanapes.
Both Ken and Dan are friends of mine, maybe close aquaintences is more accurate.
Thompson is a former WBHOF President and the Goossens I've known for 25 years.
Both men are beyond successful in life. And both are good guys.
Lose the finger pointing guys, it looks disingenuous. We know who the hero is.

Rick, I think I know what that pic was about. Apparently Ontario, Calif. held their annual "Side of beef & case of Tecate" eating contest. I think Thompson and Goosen have found the winner. And that was before the fight! LOL!

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:When did this start???

In recent years, when ever I'm in a photo with another boxing personality, it seems we're encouraged to raise our fists.
I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??
Danny "Little Red" Lopez and I boxed hundreds of rounds in the gym together.
I like pictures that put me with friends from the past.
I just don't get the "raise the fist" thing.

Do you think I want to raise my fist next to Duran or Tyson?
Suggesting that there might be a similarity? Not me.

I'm looking at some photos a few minutes ago on an on-line boxing site.
Chris Arreola must have won last night, because the event promoters which are Dan Goossen and Ken Thompson are posing with Arreola.
Now in this type of photo, nobody is making a fist. Thompson is pointing one of his fingers at the fighter.
On the other side of the boxer, Goossen is doing the same thing. They are pointing as if they have to identify who did the fighting.

OK, you might think I'm being a little to observant. Maybe so? But this finger pointing nuance is the act of a jackanapes.
Both Ken and Dan are friends of mine, maybe close aquaintences is more accurate.
Thompson is a former WBHOF President and the Goossens I've known for 25 years.
Both men are beyond successful in life. And both are good guys.
Lose the finger pointing guys, it looks disingenuous. We know who the hero is.

Rick, I think I know what that pic was about. Apparently Ontario, Calif. held their annual "Side of beef & case of Tecate" eating contest. I think Thompson and Goosen have found the winner. And that was before the fight! LOL!

Scartissue

Who know where it all started, to me it is just a tradition that was; I'm sure started way before my time. I done it; suit and all, why? I don't know, maybe just to show that the photo has to do with boxing? just maybe....