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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2010, 20:11
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:When did this start???

In recent years, when ever I'm in a photo with another boxing personality, it seems we're encouraged to raise our fists.
I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??
Danny "Little Red" Lopez and I boxed hundreds of rounds in the gym together.
I like pictures that put me with friends from the past.
I just don't get the "raise the fist" thing.

Do you think I want to raise my fist next to Duran or Tyson?
Suggesting that there might be a similarity? Not me.

I'm looking at some photos a few minutes ago on an on-line boxing site.
Chris Arreola must have won last night, because the event promoters which are Dan Goossen and Ken Thompson are posing with Arreola.
Now in this type of photo, nobody is making a fist. Thompson is pointing one of his fingers at the fighter.
On the other side of the boxer, Goossen is doing the same thing. They are pointing as if they have to identify who did the fighting.

OK, you might think I'm being a little to observant. Maybe so? But this finger pointing nuance is the act of a jackanapes.
Both Ken and Dan are friends of mine, maybe close aquaintences is more accurate.
Thompson is a former WBHOF President and the Goossens I've known for 25 years.
Both men are beyond successful in life. And both are good guys.
Lose the finger pointing guys, it looks disingenuous. We know who the hero is.
Rick, I think I know what that pic was about. Apparently Ontario, Calif. held their annual "Side of beef & case of Tecate" eating contest. I think Thompson and Goosen have found the winner. And that was before the fight! LOL!

Scartissue
Who know where it all started, to me it is just a tradition that was; I'm sure started way before my time. I done it; suit and all, why? I don't know, maybe just to show that the photo has to do with boxing? just maybe....
Yeah, maybe :confused:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2010, 23:42
by Rick Farris
scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:When did this start???

In recent years, when ever I'm in a photo with another boxing personality, it seems we're encouraged to raise our fists.
I don't get it. Is this a signature, validating that at least one, maybe all those in the shot are fighters, ex-fighters??
Danny "Little Red" Lopez and I boxed hundreds of rounds in the gym together.
I like pictures that put me with friends from the past.
I just don't get the "raise the fist" thing.

Do you think I want to raise my fist next to Duran or Tyson?
Suggesting that there might be a similarity? Not me.

I'm looking at some photos a few minutes ago on an on-line boxing site.
Chris Arreola must have won last night, because the event promoters which are Dan Goossen and Ken Thompson are posing with Arreola.
Now in this type of photo, nobody is making a fist. Thompson is pointing one of his fingers at the fighter.
On the other side of the boxer, Goossen is doing the same thing. They are pointing as if they have to identify who did the fighting.

OK, you might think I'm being a little to observant. Maybe so? But this finger pointing nuance is the act of a jackanapes.
Both Ken and Dan are friends of mine, maybe close aquaintences is more accurate.
Thompson is a former WBHOF President and the Goossens I've known for 25 years.
Both men are beyond successful in life. And both are good guys.
Lose the finger pointing guys, it looks disingenuous. We know who the hero is.
Rick, I think I know what that pic was about. Apparently Ontario, Calif. held their annual "Side of beef & case of Tecate" eating contest. I think Thompson and Goosen have found the winner. And that was before the fight! LOL!

Scartissue
More appropriate for a contemporary heavyweight might be: A side of Klitschko washed down with a fifth of Absolute Vodka.
That's the best a Eastern European Heavyweight deserves today, and more than a bum like Arreola deserves.

Charlie Norkus, your dad must be having quite a laugh (or cry) if he's looking down on today's lot.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 04:18
by kikibalt
For Don Chargin, boxing was only his second love

Image

Longtime boxing promoter and Olympic Auditorium matchmaker Don Chargin at his home in Cambria. (Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times)

The longtime promoter, 82, helped make L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium a crown jewel of West Coast boxing for 20 years, from 1964 to '84. But the April death of his wife and business partner, Lorraine, has been hard for him to deal with.
ByJerry Crowe

From Cambria, Calif.
Outside the living room window, two blocks down a gently sloping hill, the Pacific Ocean sparkles.

Up the hill stands a forest.

Nestled into a corner in his living room, longtime boxing promoter Don Chargin sips coffee and nibbles on cookies. His custom-built, sharply angled home sits in an idyllic spot along California's Central Coast, the rocky shoreline and other natural wonders mere steps from the door.

Until a few months ago, the former Olympic Auditorium matchmaker thought he'd found heaven on earth.

"This," he says from his easy chair, "was our Shangri-La."

In his eyes, tears well.

Chargin's Shangri-La lost some of its luster in April, when the love of his life succumbed to cancer. Lorraine, his wife of nearly 49 years, also was his business partner, advisor and confidant.

"There's no such thing as a perfect marriage," Chargin, 82, says, "but I think we had the closest thing to one."

The Chargins, working in tandem, promoted boxing shows all over the world for nearly five decades.

For 20 years starting in 1964, after legendary Olympic Auditorium maven Aileen Eaton persuaded them to leave the Bay Area to come work for her, Don was the boxing matchmaker and Lorraine the building manager at the Olympic.

"It was the place," Chargin says of the building's heyday. "It was the Madison Square Garden of the West."

Don, once described as "maybe the last gentleman promoter left in boxing," remains a consultant for Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Productions, which he helped launch, and still promotes the occasional card. But he and his wife planned to scale back after moving up the coast from the San Fernando Valley in 2003.

Chargin, at one point so busy that the late Jim Healy dubbed him Don "War a Week" Chargin, estimates he has staged more than 130 world title fights since his inaugural promotion in 1951.

For the majority of them, Lorraine was at his side, known to some as "The Dragon Lady" and to others as "Mom," depending on their relationship with the feisty businesswoman.

"No one in boxing has done more good or cared more about people or caused more folks to laugh or think, or, occasionally, duck," longtime boxing reporter Ron Borges wrote in a tribute to Lorraine. "As legacies go, that, plus Don, is pretty good."

Before meeting Lorraine in Oakland in 1957, Chargin notes, "I was sort of wild. She calmed me down."

Growing up in San Jose, Chargin as a teen was an amateur boxer in the 165-pound class. At Bellarmine Prep, he captained the boxing team as a junior and coached it as a senior.

"I didn't know much more than my classmates," he says, "so I used to go down to the pro gyms and pick up a few things. That's the way we did it, and I got the bug."

Though a heart condition forced him to stop competing, Chargin remained in boxing "because I was really hooked on it."

In the late 1940s, the budding businessman says he was barely out of his teens when he learned a valuable lesson while working for a promoter going through a bitter divorce.

"He went on a two-week drunk," Chargin says, "and I did everything . . . and nearly killed myself because I felt bad for him. Well, when the thing was over, I thought I would be rewarded in some way — and he gave me $50.

"I swore right then, 'I'm going to get my own license and I'll never treat anybody like that.'"

Chargin also vowed to take the man's drawing card, which he did, staging his first promotion on Labor Day 1951.

His profit: $16,000.

Six years later, after a failed first marriage that had produced a son and two daughters, Chargin met Lorraine.

The couple presided over the careers of champion boxers such as Bobby Chacon, Tony "The Tiger" Lopez and Loreto Garza, a personal favorite who named his firstborn Lorraine.

When their Olympic run ended in 1984, the Chargins continued to promote shows, Lorraine once famously standing up to Don King when he barged into Arco Arena in Sacramento without credentials to watch future heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.

"Security asked me if I was worried about her," Chargin notes, "and I said, 'No, I'm worried about him.'"

In 2001, when Don was enshrined at the International Boxing Hall of Fame at Canastota, N.Y., he explained the couple's working relationship in his induction speech.

"Everyone knows that I'm a terrible, terrible details person," he said. "I love to make the matches, but my wife Lorraine does all the work. She does everything."

In his mind, they should have been honored in tandem, as they were in 2007, when they became the first husband-and-wife duo inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

"If I'm in," he says, "she should be."

They were a team — which is why it's so rough for him now.

"I'm really pushing myself," Chargin says. "Without Lorraine, it's tough to be here. But I've got to do it.

"Some people have said, 'You ought to move,' because of the memories and that. But I really don't want to. If I can, I'd really like to stay here because I know she loved it so much."

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 11:32
by Panzerfaust
Whats going on with the olympic auditorium? Think i read in here it was a korean church and scheduled for demolition?
but then i came across this: http://www.lasports.org/lafacilities/di ... rena&id=24
New owners or???

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 11:35
by kikibalt
Panzerfaust wrote:Whats going on with the olympic auditorium? Think i read in here it was a korean church and scheduled for demolition?
but then i came across this: http://www.lasports.org/lafacilities/di ... rena&id=24
New owners or???
Ram, as far as I know its still a Korean church, I think the link you found is old....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 11:37
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Whats going on with the olympic auditorium? Think i read in here it was a korean church and scheduled for demolition?
but then i came across this: http://www.lasports.org/lafacilities/di ... rena&id=24
New owners or???
Ram, as far as I know its still a Korean church, I think the link you found is old....
I haven't heard any rumors of the building being demolished?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 11:45
by Panzerfaust
Then thats something i have mistaken with something else :lol: What fighter used to be pictured on the wall there?
And yes i bet the link is old... i just looked it up it was turned into a chorean church in 2005 not '96 as i of some reason imagined..

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 16:54
by kikibalt
Warning for next THURSDAY!!!

ALIENS ARE COMING TO EARTH NEXT THURSDAY
AND THEIR MISSION IS TO ABDUCT ALL GOOD LOOKING
AND SEXY "OLD" PEOPLE.

YOU WILL BE SAFE; I'M JUST
POSTING TO SAY GOODBYE.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 18:53
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:For Don Chargin, boxing was only his second love

Image

Longtime boxing promoter and Olympic Auditorium matchmaker Don Chargin at his home in Cambria. (Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times)

The longtime promoter, 82, helped make L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium a crown jewel of West Coast boxing for 20 years, from 1964 to '84. But the April death of his wife and business partner, Lorraine, has been hard for him to deal with.
ByJerry Crowe

From Cambria, Calif.
Outside the living room window, two blocks down a gently sloping hill, the Pacific Ocean sparkles.

Up the hill stands a forest.

Nestled into a corner in his living room, longtime boxing promoter Don Chargin sips coffee and nibbles on cookies. His custom-built, sharply angled home sits in an idyllic spot along California's Central Coast, the rocky shoreline and other natural wonders mere steps from the door.

Until a few months ago, the former Olympic Auditorium matchmaker thought he'd found heaven on earth.

"This," he says from his easy chair, "was our Shangri-La."

In his eyes, tears well.

Chargin's Shangri-La lost some of its luster in April, when the love of his life succumbed to cancer. Lorraine, his wife of nearly 49 years, also was his business partner, advisor and confidant.

"There's no such thing as a perfect marriage," Chargin, 82, says, "but I think we had the closest thing to one."

The Chargins, working in tandem, promoted boxing shows all over the world for nearly five decades.

For 20 years starting in 1964, after legendary Olympic Auditorium maven Aileen Eaton persuaded them to leave the Bay Area to come work for her, Don was the boxing matchmaker and Lorraine the building manager at the Olympic.

"It was the place," Chargin says of the building's heyday. "It was the Madison Square Garden of the West."

Don, once described as "maybe the last gentleman promoter left in boxing," remains a consultant for Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Productions, which he helped launch, and still promotes the occasional card. But he and his wife planned to scale back after moving up the coast from the San Fernando Valley in 2003.

Chargin, at one point so busy that the late Jim Healy dubbed him Don "War a Week" Chargin, estimates he has staged more than 130 world title fights since his inaugural promotion in 1951.

For the majority of them, Lorraine was at his side, known to some as "The Dragon Lady" and to others as "Mom," depending on their relationship with the feisty businesswoman.

"No one in boxing has done more good or cared more about people or caused more folks to laugh or think, or, occasionally, duck," longtime boxing reporter Ron Borges wrote in a tribute to Lorraine. "As legacies go, that, plus Don, is pretty good."

Before meeting Lorraine in Oakland in 1957, Chargin notes, "I was sort of wild. She calmed me down."

Growing up in San Jose, Chargin as a teen was an amateur boxer in the 165-pound class. At Bellarmine Prep, he captained the boxing team as a junior and coached it as a senior.

"I didn't know much more than my classmates," he says, "so I used to go down to the pro gyms and pick up a few things. That's the way we did it, and I got the bug."

Though a heart condition forced him to stop competing, Chargin remained in boxing "because I was really hooked on it."

In the late 1940s, the budding businessman says he was barely out of his teens when he learned a valuable lesson while working for a promoter going through a bitter divorce.

"He went on a two-week drunk," Chargin says, "and I did everything . . . and nearly killed myself because I felt bad for him. Well, when the thing was over, I thought I would be rewarded in some way — and he gave me $50.

"I swore right then, 'I'm going to get my own license and I'll never treat anybody like that.'"

Chargin also vowed to take the man's drawing card, which he did, staging his first promotion on Labor Day 1951.

His profit: $16,000.

Six years later, after a failed first marriage that had produced a son and two daughters, Chargin met Lorraine.

The couple presided over the careers of champion boxers such as Bobby Chacon, Tony "The Tiger" Lopez and Loreto Garza, a personal favorite who named his firstborn Lorraine.

When their Olympic run ended in 1984, the Chargins continued to promote shows, Lorraine once famously standing up to Don King when he barged into Arco Arena in Sacramento without credentials to watch future heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.

"Security asked me if I was worried about her," Chargin notes, "and I said, 'No, I'm worried about him.'"

In 2001, when Don was enshrined at the International Boxing Hall of Fame at Canastota, N.Y., he explained the couple's working relationship in his induction speech.

"Everyone knows that I'm a terrible, terrible details person," he said. "I love to make the matches, but my wife Lorraine does all the work. She does everything."

In his mind, they should have been honored in tandem, as they were in 2007, when they became the first husband-and-wife duo inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

"If I'm in," he says, "she should be."

They were a team — which is why it's so rough for him now.

"I'm really pushing myself," Chargin says. "Without Lorraine, it's tough to be here. But I've got to do it.

"Some people have said, 'You ought to move,' because of the memories and that. But I really don't want to. If I can, I'd really like to stay here because I know she loved it so much."

[email protected]

Good story on Don Chargin. However he didn't start for the Olympic in 1964 as matchmaker. It was Mickey Davies who tookover the matchmaking spot at the Olympic, to replace George Parnassus that year. Chargin came to the Olympic around 1967. I wish Don happiness.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 19:30
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:For Don Chargin, boxing was only his second love

Image

Longtime boxing promoter and Olympic Auditorium matchmaker Don Chargin at his home in Cambria. (Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times)

The longtime promoter, 82, helped make L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium a crown jewel of West Coast boxing for 20 years, from 1964 to '84. But the April death of his wife and business partner, Lorraine, has been hard for him to deal with.
ByJerry Crowe

From Cambria, Calif.
Outside the living room window, two blocks down a gently sloping hill, the Pacific Ocean sparkles.

Up the hill stands a forest.

Nestled into a corner in his living room, longtime boxing promoter Don Chargin sips coffee and nibbles on cookies. His custom-built, sharply angled home sits in an idyllic spot along California's Central Coast, the rocky shoreline and other natural wonders mere steps from the door.

Until a few months ago, the former Olympic Auditorium matchmaker thought he'd found heaven on earth.

"This," he says from his easy chair, "was our Shangri-La."

In his eyes, tears well.

Chargin's Shangri-La lost some of its luster in April, when the love of his life succumbed to cancer. Lorraine, his wife of nearly 49 years, also was his business partner, advisor and confidant.

"There's no such thing as a perfect marriage," Chargin, 82, says, "but I think we had the closest thing to one."

The Chargins, working in tandem, promoted boxing shows all over the world for nearly five decades.

For 20 years starting in 1964, after legendary Olympic Auditorium maven Aileen Eaton persuaded them to leave the Bay Area to come work for her, Don was the boxing matchmaker and Lorraine the building manager at the Olympic.

"It was the place," Chargin says of the building's heyday. "It was the Madison Square Garden of the West."

Don, once described as "maybe the last gentleman promoter left in boxing," remains a consultant for Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Productions, which he helped launch, and still promotes the occasional card. But he and his wife planned to scale back after moving up the coast from the San Fernando Valley in 2003.

Chargin, at one point so busy that the late Jim Healy dubbed him Don "War a Week" Chargin, estimates he has staged more than 130 world title fights since his inaugural promotion in 1951.

For the majority of them, Lorraine was at his side, known to some as "The Dragon Lady" and to others as "Mom," depending on their relationship with the feisty businesswoman.

"No one in boxing has done more good or cared more about people or caused more folks to laugh or think, or, occasionally, duck," longtime boxing reporter Ron Borges wrote in a tribute to Lorraine. "As legacies go, that, plus Don, is pretty good."

Before meeting Lorraine in Oakland in 1957, Chargin notes, "I was sort of wild. She calmed me down."

Growing up in San Jose, Chargin as a teen was an amateur boxer in the 165-pound class. At Bellarmine Prep, he captained the boxing team as a junior and coached it as a senior.

"I didn't know much more than my classmates," he says, "so I used to go down to the pro gyms and pick up a few things. That's the way we did it, and I got the bug."

Though a heart condition forced him to stop competing, Chargin remained in boxing "because I was really hooked on it."

In the late 1940s, the budding businessman says he was barely out of his teens when he learned a valuable lesson while working for a promoter going through a bitter divorce.

"He went on a two-week drunk," Chargin says, "and I did everything . . . and nearly killed myself because I felt bad for him. Well, when the thing was over, I thought I would be rewarded in some way — and he gave me $50.

"I swore right then, 'I'm going to get my own license and I'll never treat anybody like that.'"

Chargin also vowed to take the man's drawing card, which he did, staging his first promotion on Labor Day 1951.

His profit: $16,000.

Six years later, after a failed first marriage that had produced a son and two daughters, Chargin met Lorraine.

The couple presided over the careers of champion boxers such as Bobby Chacon, Tony "The Tiger" Lopez and Loreto Garza, a personal favorite who named his firstborn Lorraine.

When their Olympic run ended in 1984, the Chargins continued to promote shows, Lorraine once famously standing up to Don King when he barged into Arco Arena in Sacramento without credentials to watch future heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.

"Security asked me if I was worried about her," Chargin notes, "and I said, 'No, I'm worried about him.'"

In 2001, when Don was enshrined at the International Boxing Hall of Fame at Canastota, N.Y., he explained the couple's working relationship in his induction speech.

"Everyone knows that I'm a terrible, terrible details person," he said. "I love to make the matches, but my wife Lorraine does all the work. She does everything."

In his mind, they should have been honored in tandem, as they were in 2007, when they became the first husband-and-wife duo inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

"If I'm in," he says, "she should be."

They were a team — which is why it's so rough for him now.

"I'm really pushing myself," Chargin says. "Without Lorraine, it's tough to be here. But I've got to do it.

"Some people have said, 'You ought to move,' because of the memories and that. But I really don't want to. If I can, I'd really like to stay here because I know she loved it so much."

[email protected]

Good story on Don Chargin. However he didn't start for the Olympic in 1964 as matchmaker. It was Mickey Davies who tookover the matchmaking spot at the Olympic, to replace George Parnassus that year. Chargin came to the Olympic around 1967. I wish Don happiness.
They were also not the first husband-and-wife duo to be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame, that honor belongs to Cal & Aileen Eaton...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 20:09
by kikibalt
Source: Pacquiao-Margarito fight headed to Cowboys Stadium

Nov. 13 super-welterweight title fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito will land at Cowboys Stadium outside Dallas, a source close to site negotiations told The Times on Monday.

Former world welterweight champion Margarito is scheduled to appear before the California State Athletic Commission on Wednesday, hoping to regain his boxing license. The Tijuana resident was stripped of his license in February 2009 after state authorities confiscated plaster inserts from inside his hand wrap before a title defense the previous month against Shane Mosley at Staples Center.

Should the California commission opt to relicense Margarito, he would likely have no problem receiving a license in Texas.

Even if California denies Margarito's request his promoter, Bob Arum, said that several states have expressed interest in relicensing the fighter. Margarito's camp insists that the boxer never knew about the hardened inserts in his wrap, and they additionally contend that he has spent an ample time away from the sport.

Arum said Monday that he will meet with representatives of Margarito and Pacquiao after Wednesday's hearing.

"We'll have something to announce about where this fight will be by the end of the week," Arum said.

Pacquiao's U.S. business manager, Michael Koncz, met with representatives of a fight location in Abu Dhabi earlier this month, but the source close to the site negotiations said the offer from Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was deemed more impressive.

Pacquiao fought at Cowboys Stadium in March, drawing more than 50,000 fans to his welterweight victory over an obscure opponent, Joshua Clottey.

-- Lance Pugmire

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 20:38
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:For Don Chargin, boxing was only his second love

Image

Longtime boxing promoter and Olympic Auditorium matchmaker Don Chargin at his home in Cambria. (Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times)

The longtime promoter, 82, helped make L.A.'s Olympic Auditorium a crown jewel of West Coast boxing for 20 years, from 1964 to '84. But the April death of his wife and business partner, Lorraine, has been hard for him to deal with.
ByJerry Crowe

From Cambria, Calif.
Outside the living room window, two blocks down a gently sloping hill, the Pacific Ocean sparkles.

Up the hill stands a forest.

Nestled into a corner in his living room, longtime boxing promoter Don Chargin sips coffee and nibbles on cookies. His custom-built, sharply angled home sits in an idyllic spot along California's Central Coast, the rocky shoreline and other natural wonders mere steps from the door.

Until a few months ago, the former Olympic Auditorium matchmaker thought he'd found heaven on earth.

"This," he says from his easy chair, "was our Shangri-La."

In his eyes, tears well.

Chargin's Shangri-La lost some of its luster in April, when the love of his life succumbed to cancer. Lorraine, his wife of nearly 49 years, also was his business partner, advisor and confidant.

"There's no such thing as a perfect marriage," Chargin, 82, says, "but I think we had the closest thing to one."

The Chargins, working in tandem, promoted boxing shows all over the world for nearly five decades.

For 20 years starting in 1964, after legendary Olympic Auditorium maven Aileen Eaton persuaded them to leave the Bay Area to come work for her, Don was the boxing matchmaker and Lorraine the building manager at the Olympic.

"It was the place," Chargin says of the building's heyday. "It was the Madison Square Garden of the West."

Don, once described as "maybe the last gentleman promoter left in boxing," remains a consultant for Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Productions, which he helped launch, and still promotes the occasional card. But he and his wife planned to scale back after moving up the coast from the San Fernando Valley in 2003.

Chargin, at one point so busy that the late Jim Healy dubbed him Don "War a Week" Chargin, estimates he has staged more than 130 world title fights since his inaugural promotion in 1951.

For the majority of them, Lorraine was at his side, known to some as "The Dragon Lady" and to others as "Mom," depending on their relationship with the feisty businesswoman.

"No one in boxing has done more good or cared more about people or caused more folks to laugh or think, or, occasionally, duck," longtime boxing reporter Ron Borges wrote in a tribute to Lorraine. "As legacies go, that, plus Don, is pretty good."

Before meeting Lorraine in Oakland in 1957, Chargin notes, "I was sort of wild. She calmed me down."

Growing up in San Jose, Chargin as a teen was an amateur boxer in the 165-pound class. At Bellarmine Prep, he captained the boxing team as a junior and coached it as a senior.

"I didn't know much more than my classmates," he says, "so I used to go down to the pro gyms and pick up a few things. That's the way we did it, and I got the bug."

Though a heart condition forced him to stop competing, Chargin remained in boxing "because I was really hooked on it."

In the late 1940s, the budding businessman says he was barely out of his teens when he learned a valuable lesson while working for a promoter going through a bitter divorce.

"He went on a two-week drunk," Chargin says, "and I did everything . . . and nearly killed myself because I felt bad for him. Well, when the thing was over, I thought I would be rewarded in some way — and he gave me $50.

"I swore right then, 'I'm going to get my own license and I'll never treat anybody like that.'"

Chargin also vowed to take the man's drawing card, which he did, staging his first promotion on Labor Day 1951.

His profit: $16,000.

Six years later, after a failed first marriage that had produced a son and two daughters, Chargin met Lorraine.

The couple presided over the careers of champion boxers such as Bobby Chacon, Tony "The Tiger" Lopez and Loreto Garza, a personal favorite who named his firstborn Lorraine.

When their Olympic run ended in 1984, the Chargins continued to promote shows, Lorraine once famously standing up to Don King when he barged into Arco Arena in Sacramento without credentials to watch future heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.

"Security asked me if I was worried about her," Chargin notes, "and I said, 'No, I'm worried about him.'"

In 2001, when Don was enshrined at the International Boxing Hall of Fame at Canastota, N.Y., he explained the couple's working relationship in his induction speech.

"Everyone knows that I'm a terrible, terrible details person," he said. "I love to make the matches, but my wife Lorraine does all the work. She does everything."

In his mind, they should have been honored in tandem, as they were in 2007, when they became the first husband-and-wife duo inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

"If I'm in," he says, "she should be."

They were a team — which is why it's so rough for him now.

"I'm really pushing myself," Chargin says. "Without Lorraine, it's tough to be here. But I've got to do it.

"Some people have said, 'You ought to move,' because of the memories and that. But I really don't want to. If I can, I'd really like to stay here because I know she loved it so much."

[email protected]

Good story on Don Chargin. However he didn't start for the Olympic in 1964 as matchmaker. It was Mickey Davies who tookover the matchmaking spot at the Olympic, to replace George Parnassus that year. Chargin came to the Olympic around 1967. I wish Don happiness.
They were also not the first husband-and-wife duo to be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame, that honor belongs to Cal & Aileen Eaton...


:OhYes: We lived the era. Such corrections keep the history in line. Without, things get lost, confused.
As much as I like Don Chargin, I feel the same for Mickey Davies. He was the guy matched Mando Ramos, Jerry Quarry, Crawford, Scrap Iron, etc. during the first couple years of TV Boxing from the Olympic in 65-67. Mickey left to work with Don Fraser and promote his own shows in San Diego in the 70's. Chargin came down from up north to step into Mickey's vacancy.
And I think Chargin is one of the best people involved with pro boxing. Chargin and Fraser are true L.A. legends.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 21:20
by kikibalt
Alfredo Angulo Turns Down $750,000
By Edgar Gonzalez

It started as a rumor until Gary Shaw, Alfredo Angulo’s promoter, confirmed it with Steve Kim from MaxBoxing that the hard-hitting Mexican just recently turned down $750,000 for a crack at middleweight champion Sergio Martinez- demanding a million bucks- and losing his shot at becoming the only boxer to appear on HBO three times in 2010.

HBO was guaranteeing Angulo a reappearance if he lost on HBO while the WBC was not going to penalize him and he’d still be number one at 154 pounds.

I can’t understand why “El Perro” will walk away with his tail between his legs on such opportunity. $750,000 is a lot of money considering he only made $350,000 in his last fight against Joachim Alcine. Demanding $1 million dollars is obviously without thought.

Sergio Martinez is a threat but $750K is well worth the risk and there is no shame in losing against a worthy opponent.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:09
by Randyman
Courtesy of SecondsOut.com

Antonio Margarito and the Handwrap Issue

By Thomas Hauser

A fighter’s fists are his weapons. Tampering with a fighter’s gloved fists is one of the worst offenses imaginable in boxing. It subverts the notion of a fair fight and puts the opposing fighter at exponentially greater risk of serious injury or death.

On January 24, 2009, Antonio Margarito fought Shane Mosley at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. In the dressing room prior to the fight, an illegal insert was found in each of Margarito’s knuckle pads. The inserts were removed and the fight proceeded as planned. Mosley knocked Margarito out in the ninth round.

Margarito’s license was subsequently revoked by the California State Athletic Commission. On August 18th, the CSAC will consider his application for reinstatement. That is expected to open the door for a proposed November 13th fight between Margarito and Manny Pacquiao.

There has been considerable debate during the past eighteen months regarding the Margarito handwrap issue. But the lines have been blurred by inaccurate reporting and the tendency of some observers to take sides based on their fondness or antipathy for Margarito’s promoter, Top Rank.

Let’s put the nonsense aside and view the Margarito handwrap issue in perspective.

The taping of a fighter’s fist begins with a roll of gauze being wrapped several times around his hand. Then a pad that has been previously fashioned from multiple layers of gauze is placed over the fighter’s knuckles. That’s followed by the application of more gauze and tape. California rules allow for the use of gauze and surgical adhesive tape when wrapping a fighter’s hands; nothing else. The application of water or any other liquid to the gauze or tape is prohibited.

Margarito’s hands were wrapped in his dressing room prior to the Mosley fight by his longtime trainer, Javier Capetillo. The task began under the supervision of inspector Che Guevara with Naazim Richardson (Mosley’s trainer) looking on.

Before a big fight, Richardson usually objects to the manner in which an opponent’s hands are being taped if for no other reason than to upset the opposing fighter. Here, he lodged numerous objections to the taping of Margarito’s right hand. Several more inspectors, including chief inspector Dean Lohuis, came into the dressing room. Richardson’s objections were overruled.

Then Capetillo began taping Margarito’s left hand, and Richardson asked if he could physically inspect the knuckle pad. Lohuis instructed Capetillo to pass the pad to Richardson. Naazim felt it and said that it seemed unusually hard. He then handed the pad to Lohuis, who agreed that it felt stiffer than is normally the case.

CSAC inspector David Pereda, who was in the room, later testified, “Naazim opened the gauze and pulled something out of it. He showed us what appeared to be an old gauze which had been used before and hardened from perhaps being sweaty and wet many times.”

Inspector Guevara testified, “It [the knuckle pad] was a clean new bandage. But within it, in the inner layers of it, was another bandage wrap. It was not as white as a new bandage wrap would be. It was used and it looked almost like it was sweat soaked and that’s what caused it to have the discoloration. It was harder in certain areas than it should be for pure gauze. It was definitely firm and hard. I believe there was a little bit of, it looked like old blood, on it.”

Mike Bray (an inspector who entered the dressing room during the dispute) recalled, “I observed what appeared to be a blood stain on the corner of the pad. I also noticed that it was moist and dirty-looking. The pad had the appearance that it had been used before. After looking at the pad closer, I could see a white substance smeared across the face of the pad and into the gauze. I touched the white substance, and it was hard to touch. It looked like a cast plaster or maybe a thicker type of white out that you would put on paper.”

Lohuis confiscated the knuckle pad and instructed Capetillo to make a new one. Capetillo did so and wrapped Margarito’s left hand. Richardson then asked the inspectors to examine the knuckle pad on Margarito’s already-wrapped right hand. Lohuis instructed Capetillo to remove the right handwrap and a similar insert was discovered inside the pad. Lohuis confiscated that pad as well and ordered Capetillo to prepare a new right-hand knuckle pad.

After the pads were confiscated, Mike Bray (at Richardson’s request) brought them to Mosley’s dressing room, where three members of Mosley’s team were allowed to touch them under the inspector’s supervision. An undetermined number of commission personnel also touched them.

Three days after the fight, the California State Athletic Commission temporarily suspended Margarito’s boxing license and Capetillo’s trainer’s license, and set February 10, 2009, for a hearing on the status of both men.

Capetillo testified at the hearing that he prepared Margarito’s knuckle pads in the dressing room at the Staples Center and put them on top of the contents in his training bag. Then, when it was time to wrap, he pulled the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. He further testified that the confiscated pads had most likely been used by another boxer while hitting the heavy bag in the gym.

“They just throw their things in my bag,” Capetillo told the commission.

The following colloquy exemplifies his testimony:

Q: Is this the kind of pad you usually use in a championship fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Q: Have you ever used a pad like that in a professional boxing fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Q: So is it your testimony that, when you wrapped Mr. Margarito’s hands, you reached into your training bag and grabbed the wrong pad?

Capetillo: That is correct . . . I put my hand in my bag to pull out, they are like little pads. And by mistake, that I had those in my bag, I put them on and I wrapped them on without realizing that it had been a big mistake.

There was no direct evidence that Margarito knew about the inserts inside the knuckle pads; only inference. Antonio denied any knowledge of the inserts, and Capetillo testified, “I commit a big mistake and I acknowledge it. I don’t want that this young man have any problem because he is not at fault. He didn’t realize what I had put on.”

Prior to the hearing, the California State Athletic Commission sent one of the inserts to the Bureau of Forensic Services at the California Department of Justice for testing. The Commission rejected a request by Margarito’s attorney to allow his own expert to analyze the inserts. The lab results were not in before the hearing. On March 19, 2009, the Bureau of Forensic Services forwarded a report to the CSAC that read, “Calcium and sulpher, two elements found in plaster of Paris, were found on the submitted gauze pad using an X-ray fluorescence [XRF] spectrometer. The elements calcium, sulpher, and oxygen are found in plaster of Paris. These three elements are also found in substances other than plaster. Oxygen is not detectable by XRF.”

Margarito’s defense team contends that calcium and sulpher are also common elements in hand cream and salves.

The options available to the California State Athletic Commission ranged from taking no action against Margarito and Capetillo to a fine, suspension, or revocation of their respective licenses (the maximum penalty under law). In the event of revocation, either man would be free to reapply after one year with no guarantee of reinstatement. An irrevocable permanent ban was not an available option.

At the close of the February 10, 2009, hearing, the commission voted to revoke each man’s license. It made no finding that Margarito had knowledge of the inserts, but held him responsible for Capetillo’s actions. In so doing, it relied on Boxing Rule 390 of the California Code of Regulations, which states, “Any licensee who conducts himself or herself at any time or place in a manner which is deemed by the commission to reflect discredit to boxing may have his or her license revoked, or may be fined, suspended, or otherwise disciplined in such manner as the commission may direct.”

In making its determination, the CSAC imposed a doctrine of “strict liability” upon Margarito. That’s similar to the position that most commissions take when a fighter tests positive for an illegal performance enhancing drug. A fighter, the theory goes, is a professional athlete. He’s responsible for his body and his equipment. If someone who works for him puts something illegal into his body or on his hands, the fighter should be held ultimately responsible.

After Margarito’s license was revoked, he filed a lawsuit to overturn the commission’s decision. The matter is currently pending in the Second Appellate District of the California state court system.

Meanwhile, on February 10, 2010 (one year after his license was revoked), Margarito became eligible to fight in any state that would grant him a license. There was talk of his fighting in Dallas on the undercard of the March 13th fight between Manny Pacquiao and Joshua Clottey. Indeed, on January 20th, Tim Lueckenhoff (president of the Association of Boxing Commissions) sent an email to Dickie Cole (administrator of combat sports for the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation) that read, “The State of Texas may accept an application from Margarito and determine if a boxing contestant license will be issued based upon the laws of Texas.”

Instead, Margarito returned to the ring in Aguascalientes, Mexico, on May 8, 2010, and hammered out an unimpressive ten-round decision victory over Roberto Garcia.

Then, with negotiations for a fight between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr on the verge of failure, Margarito applied for a license to box in Nevada. On July 9th, the Nevada State Athletic Commission voted 4-to-1 to table a decision on the application until after Margarito applied for reinstatement in California.

Initially, the California State Athletic Commission said that it didn’t have time to hear an application from Margarito until September and suggested that he first abandon his appeal from its original order of revocation. That struck some (including the leadership of the Association of Boxing Commissions) as a violation of due process. In any event, the CSAC subsequently reversed course and agreed to hold a hearing on Margarito’s application on August 18th. After the hearing, regardless of the CSAC’s decision, Antonio can apply for a license in any state.

During the past year, some commentators have likened Margarito’s situation to the decades-old scandal involving Panama Lewis, Luis Resto (who was trained by Lewis), and Billy Collins. On June 18, 1983, Resto won a unanimous decision over Collins at Madison Square Garden. Thereafter, it was determined that, in the dressing room before the fight, Lewis had removed padding from the striking surface of his fighter’s gloves. Collins suffered serious eye damage in the fight, never fought again, and died in a car crash nine months later. Resto and Lewis were criminally convicted, imprisoned for several years, and banned from boxing for life.

The Margarito handwraps controversy has also become one of many proxy wars being fought between Top Rank and Golden Boy.

On January 26, 2010, Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya criticized the prospect of Margarito being licensed to box again and declared, “I’m very disgusted by it. When you’re messing with somebody’s life in that ring, you should be banned for life. That’s my opinion.”

That infuriated Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who saw rampant hypocrisy in De La Hoya’s position that Shane Mosley (a Golden Boy fighter) shouldn’t be punished for his past use of illegal performance enhancing drugs because Shane did so “unknowingly,” whereas Margarito should be banned for life without any direct evidence that Antonio had prior knowledge of wrongdoing.

Arum (who promoted De La Hoya for over a decade) also stated that Oscar should sign a waiver of confidentiality with regard to his own medical history “and let’s find out if there was ever any proof of Oscar using performance enhancing drugs. People who live in glass house should not throw stones.”

Six months later, Arum and De La Hoya were at each other’s throat again. On July 28th, Oscar declared, “Why should any fighter who’s been banned because he was wearing plaster of Paris in his gloves be allowed to fight? A lot of people are against it, including myself. There’s no reason why he should be licensed to fight."

Arum countered with, “Oscar is not the brightest penny on the block. There is all of this misinformation out there that people like Oscar eagerly cling to because he’s a man who has no discernment. He doesn’t read and he doesn’t study. Oscar is an advertisement for this movie that’s coming out on Friday night that’s called Dinner for Schmucks.”

Now; putting all of that aside . . .

Let’s look at the real issues in the Margarito handwrap controversy, starting with Javier Capetillo.

Capetillo shredded his credibility by maintaining that the use of the inserts was accidental. A trainer doesn’t reach into his bag and make a mistake like that. To say that’s what happened here is nonsense.

Moreover, if (as Capetillo claims) the knuckle pads he pulled out of his bag “by mistake” had been used by another fighter in the gym, why was the gauze that surrounded the illegal inserts squeaky-clean?

There has been near-universal condemnation of Capetillo for his role in the handwrap scandal, and justly so.

The case against Margarito is more difficult to construct. Essentially, Antonio’s detractors say, “Stop with the bullshit. A fighter who has fought for as long as Margarito has fought would be aware that his handwraps felt different.”

They hypothesize that one reason Margarito fell apart so dramatically during the Mosley fight was that, when the illegal inserts were discovered, Antonio lost both his physical advantage and his self-belief.

They maintain that Capetillo can’t be believed when he says Margarito didn‘t know about the inserts, because Capetillo lied when he said that using the illegal knuckle pads was an innocent mistake.

“And by the way,” they add. “If Margarito didn’t know about the inserts, then he also doesn’t know if the inserts were in his handwraps for other fights, including his brutal beat down of Miguel Cotto. Do you remember what Cotto’s face looked like after he fought Margarito? And suppose the inserts hadn’t been discovered before the Mosley fight? Take the hypothetical one step further and suppose that Margarito put Mosley in a coma and the inserts were discovered after the fight. There still wouldn’t be firm proof that Margarito ‘knew’ about the inserts. What would the appropriate punishment be then?”

The fact that the illegal inserts were previously used also raises the question: “Who used them?”

Were the inserts molded to Margarito’s knuckles? Is the stain on one of the inserts dried blood? If so, is it Antonio’s blood?

Margarito’s blood on the insert would be viewed by some as the equivalent of Bill Clinton’s semen on Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress. Certainly, it would be an interesting piece of the puzzle.

Meanwhile, Margarito’s position boils down to the following: “Capetillo was solely responsible for acquiring the gauze to make the knuckle pads. Margarito was not present when Capetillo prepared the knuckle pads. Margarito was totally unaware that anything improper had been inserted in the knuckle pads.”

Is that possible?

Yes.

The inserts certainly weren’t visible to Margarito. We know that because Naazim Richardson (who was looking for irregularities) saw no visual evidence of them.

Nor is it a given that Margarito would have felt them.

Emanuel Steward, Freddie Roach, Don Turner, and Dan Birmingham have been honored as “Trainer of the Year” nine times by the Boxing Writers Association of America. Pat Burns trained Jermain Taylor for both of his victories over Bernard Hopkins and is a former police detective. Naazim Richardson trains Shane Mosley and is the man who discovered the illegal inserts in Margarito’s knuckle pads.

Their thoughts are instructive:

Dan Birmingham: “My guys watch me closely when I wrap. But what you’re talking about here happens pretty quickly. The pad goes on and then you put more gauze over it. So sure; it’s possible that the fighter wouldn’t know.”

Pat Burns: “Some fighters don’t pay attention when their hands are being wrapped. They’re listening to music or talking to someone or watching a television monitor. And even if they’re watching, they’re not wondering what’s in the knuckle pad. If I wanted to put a few layers of hardened gauze inside a fighter’s knuckle pads, I could and the fighter would never know.”

Freddie Roach: “If I did something like that, which I wouldn’t, I think I could do it without my fighter knowing. And if I was the fighter; Eddie Futch [who trained Roach] would never have done something like that. But if he had, I think he could have kept it secret from me.”

Don Turner: “I wouldn’t do it. I don’t cheat. But if I wanted to, unless what I was putting into the knuckle pad was very heavy, I could do it in a way that the fighter wouldn’t know. Even if the fighter is watching me wrap, he might not know because he wouldn’t see or feel the difference.”

Emanuel Steward: “My experience has been that a fighter watches very closely when his hands are being taped. But in a situation like this, it’s definitely possible that a trainer could put an insert in the knuckle pad without the fighter knowing. When I get in the dressing room before a fight, one of the first things I do is make two knuckle pads and put them on the table. I don’t put them in my bag. I leave them out on the table, and so does every other trainer I know of. So I have a hard time believing that Capetillo took the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. But the fighter doesn’t watch me make the knuckle pads. A lot of times, the fighter isn’t even there when I make them. So the fighter wouldn’t know if I put something inside the pads unless I told him or the pads were heavy enough that he could feel a difference.”

Naazim Richardson: “I’m the wrong person to ask about this. If a guy is driving a truck and tries to run my daughter over and misses, don’t ask me what the punishment should be. But to be fair, yes, a fighter might not know.”

Could Antonio Margarito have been complicit in the handwrap scandal?

Yes; but we don’t know that he was. And there’s no way that a fighter in his situation can prove his innocence.

If Margarito knew that his knuckle pads contained illegal inserts, a lifetime ban from boxing would be warranted. But a fighter’s career shouldn’t be terminated on a guess.


Thomas Hauser can be reached by email at [email protected]. His most recent book (a novel entitled Waiting for Carver Boyd) was published last month by JR Books. Hauser says that Waiting for Carver Boyd is “the best pure boxing writing I’ve ever done.”

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:10
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Alfredo Angulo Turns Down $750,000
By Edgar Gonzalez

It started as a rumor until Gary Shaw, Alfredo Angulo’s promoter, confirmed it with Steve Kim from MaxBoxing that the hard-hitting Mexican just recently turned down $750,000 for a crack at middleweight champion Sergio Martinez- demanding a million bucks- and losing his shot at becoming the only boxer to appear on HBO three times in 2010.

HBO was guaranteeing Angulo a reappearance if he lost on HBO while the WBC was not going to penalize him and he’d still be number one at 154 pounds.

I can’t understand why “El Perro” will walk away with his tail between his legs on such opportunity. $750,000 is a lot of money considering he only made $350,000 in his last fight against Joachim Alcine. Demanding $1 million dollars is obviously without thought.

Sergio Martinez is a threat but $750K is well worth the risk and there is no shame in losing against a worthy opponent.
Tsk Tsk!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:25
by Randyman
Boxingnut wrote:I guess Eastside will print anyone's article!! Two in a week!!!

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=24738&more=1
Good article Rob.

On the fight: I saw the fight. In my opinion the fight was Dawson's to win or lose. He never seemed to get into the fight, as if something was bothering him. I'm not trying to take anything away from Pascal though, he fought a good fight and surprised almost everyone (except the Canadians). When Dawson decided to throw some punches he seemed to hurt Pascal but he would inexplicably back off.

In the 9th round realizing he needed to step up the action he took control of the fight and had Pascal hurt and almost out. There is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would have stopped Pascal but for the accidental headbutt. It was a tough loss for Dawson. Still headbutt or not he has only himself to blame for letting the fight slip away from him. He does, however, deserve a rematch.

The next likely fight for Pascal should be Lucien Bute, though Bute first has to get by Jesse Brinkley (I'm trying to keep a straight face as I say that.)

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:34
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:A Mel Epstein Dinner Table . . .


I spent a lot of time in restaurants with Mel Epstein.
He would order for me whenever he could.
We'd go to this little cafe on 6th Street, around the corner from George Parnassus office.

The place was called the "Hi-Ho", and the old waitress might have been there on opening day, at least a half century before.
Old "Mary" was a nice lady, she would address Mel as "Mr. Epstein" and I was always, "young man."
"I'll have the lamb", Mel would tell her after reading the menu, "and the obstinate kid over there will have the liver."
Mel was buying, so I had little say in the menu.
Mel would flirt with Mary for a moment, and then she would smile and say,"Oh Mr. Epstein . . ." as she hurried away.

Mel would be pleased by her reaction and turn to me, smiling.
When Mary returned she'd have water glasses. Mel would immediatly frown and grab my glass, "Take this back and dump the ice."
Mary would look at him, puzzled, but then follow his order. When she brought me the water, I'd whisper to her, "he's crazy."
She'd nod, considering the possibility.

Mary would disappear and then bring our dinner.
Mel was in total control. He had a waitress at his beck & call, and I wasn't resisting his nutritional demands.

As I cut my liver Mel asked me if I was aware of the most healthy item on my plate.
"The liver?" My guess.
"No. It's the parsley. That little green decoration has more useful vitamins than that dead animal flesh your cutting into.
I reminded him, "You ordered that dead animal flesh."

Randy, did Mel ever lay that Parsley story on you? He'd tell how healthy the twig of parsley was, and then he'd top it off.
He'd proudly put the parsley in his mouth and eat it.

Mel Epstein was truly a crazy bastid.


-Rick Farris
Rick, you know the old Bastid had the habit of ordering for everybody. He ordered liver and onions for me quite a few times. I think the fact that I liked liver and onions ruined his fun.

Yes, Mel would talk about parsley every time we ate. The first thing I did and still do is remove the parsley from my plate. That would get Mel going on the parsley statistics and ended with him eating it. Believe it or not, every time I see parsley on my plate I think of Mel and smile to myself.

The crazy bastid! :lol:

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:40
by Randyman
bennie wrote:Image

If you can't fight, wear a big hat. This is me picking up a degree in history as a mature student in 1999. I spent most of the three years drinking and eating fast food. I even got a Christmas card from a local Chinese takeaway.
Very distinguish looking. Congrats!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 22:42
by Randyman
Panzerfaust wrote:Image

Me and Freddie... notice the dumb look on my face :lol:
Remy, nice photo! Thanks for sharing it.

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 23:11
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Alfredo Angulo Turns Down $750,000
By Edgar Gonzalez

It started as a rumor until Gary Shaw, Alfredo Angulo’s promoter, confirmed it with Steve Kim from MaxBoxing that the hard-hitting Mexican just recently turned down $750,000 for a crack at middleweight champion Sergio Martinez- demanding a million bucks- and losing his shot at becoming the only boxer to appear on HBO three times in 2010.

HBO was guaranteeing Angulo a reappearance if he lost on HBO while the WBC was not going to penalize him and he’d still be number one at 154 pounds.

I can’t understand why “El Perro” will walk away with his tail between his legs on such opportunity. $750,000 is a lot of money considering he only made $350,000 in his last fight against Joachim Alcine. Demanding $1 million dollars is obviously without thought.

Sergio Martinez is a threat but $750K is well worth the risk and there is no shame in losing against a worthy opponent.

Angulo is not only a bum, he's stupid.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 16 Aug 2010, 23:15
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:Image

If you can't fight, wear a big hat. This is me picking up a degree in history as a mature student in 1999. I spent most of the three years drinking and eating fast food. I even got a Christmas card from a local Chinese takeaway.
Very distinguish looking. Congrats!

Bennie, you do look distinguished. :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 04:41
by bennie
The dream of any fighter is to win a world title in his own backyard, and for Ricky Burns that dream becomes a possibility when he challenges Puerto Rican puncher Roman Martinez for the WBO super-featherweight title in Glasgow’s Kelvin Hall on September 4.
Burns, a talented 27-year-old, ranked No. 1 by the WBO, faces the hitherto unbeaten Martinez in the very hall where former WBC lightweight champion Jim Watt enjoyed some of the greatest nights in Scottish boxing history 30 years ago, later to be echoed by WBO flyweight champion Pat Clinton. The omens are good because neither Watt nor Clinton were bangers and Burns is no puncher himself at 28-2 (7). The tall, canny Scot moves well and counters quickly and has won 13 on the spin to secure his shot. He also showed a good chin to last the full 12 rounds with fellow Scot Alex Arthur in 2005, a former holder of the WBO belt, but was dropped three times in his other defeat against Leeds man Carl Johanneson two years later, which is more of a worry, although Ricky showed guts and character to make it through to the final bell.
Martinez also proved his mettle when he came through wars with Daniel Jiminez and Francisco Lorenzo in 2007 to enter the world rankings and when he survived a rocky start against Nicky Cook to lift the WBO belt on a stunning four-round stoppage in Manchester last year, dropping Cook twice in the round, who happens to be a rangy box-fighter in the Burns mould. Since then, Martinez has retained twice by clean knockout and looks a good champion, a dangerous one.
Nevertheless, Burns will take heart from his shaky opening against Cook. Martinez nearly went down from a left hook in the first round and was wide open at times, although Manchester in March is hardly tropical. Martinez warmed to his task impressively in the fourth. The left uppercut that first dropped Cook was a beauty, a very difficult punch to block.
The plan for Ricky is probably to get through the early danger rounds and to really push on from the middle rounds. Home advantage should help him through, along with a count or two, but I am not sure he has the strength to really discourage Martinez thereon, and the visitor, every bit as big as Burns, continues to apply pressure, off a good jab, and works his way to a clear decision.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 12:05
by kikibalt
Guys, my daughter, Linda, will be having surgery on Thursday (8/19/10) because of a cancerous tumor on one of her kidneys.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 12:13
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Guys, my daughter, Linda, will be having surgery on Thursday (8/19/10) because of a cancerous tumor on one of her kidneys.... :witzend:
My heart goes out to your daughter, Frankie, and to you and all your family at a difficult time.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 17 Aug 2010, 12:15
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Guys, my daughter, Linda, will be having surgery on Thursday (8/19/10) because of a cancerous tumor on one of her kidneys.... :witzend:
Frank, I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope the surgery will be 100% successful. We will keep your daughter Linda and your family in our prayers.

Hang in there my friend!
Randy