A one of the greatest CW fights. Jirov provided a great effort, his workrate was mauling, but Toney displayed remarkable defensive skills with his slips and rolls off the ropes, economical and precise countering. A perfect clash-of-styles fight. Roach's "Put him on his ass" before the final round and Toney doing it on the closing seconds of the round is a classic moment.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 02 Jul 2021, 03:28
by handsofstone
Donovan Ruddock vs Mike Weaver
Ruddock beats Weaver via SD over 10 rounds, should've been widely unanimous, incredible a judge could find more than 3 rounds to give to Weaver let alone have him winning it, Ruddock outoboxed him up on his toes and shooting out the jabz never really changed things up but didn't need to
Weaver plodded forward but was ineffective, couldnt get off and had no plan B, he did land best punch of fight when he rocked Ruddock with a left hook early in the 3rd, Ruddock recovered though and got back to boxing and moving
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 03 Jul 2021, 09:24
by handsofstone
Mike Weaver vs Bert Cooper
Weaver beats Cooper by UD over 10 rounds, Cooper kept ploughing forward but didnt always throw, when he did he was made to miss, he did hurt Weaver a couple times in the middle rounds but couldnt follow up, Weaver at 40 old man'd him, kept him at bay with the jab and put together some nice shots, never stayed still or engaged with Cooper, just happy to outbox him
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 04 Jul 2021, 03:56
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Roger Mayweather
Whitaker beats Mayweather by comfortable UD in a non title Lightweight fight, dominant performance by Whitaker who was too quick and sharp for Mayweather and he was also able to dominate him in a fight, he dropped Mayweather at the end of the 1st with a right hook/left hand, Mayweather got up but the bell went before Whitaker could follow up, after that Mayweather had nothing really, he just tried to jab but Whitaker was able to easily slip and parry them and counter with his own jab and left hand
In the 9th Mayweather looked spent but he managed to walk Whitaker onto a peach of a right hand which sent him down and hurt him pretty bad, he had to use all his ring smarts to make it out the round without getting hurt again, after that 9th Whitaker regained control and put a beating on Mayweather for last few rounds to see out the wide win
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 05 Jul 2021, 13:21
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1+2
Ramirez beats Whitaker by a ridiculous SD to retain his World Lightweight title, one of the worst decisions ive seen in boxing, Whitaker got absolutely jobbed, Ramirez pressed for 12 rounds but barely won a round, he couldn't hit Whitaker with a handful of rice, Whitaker boxed moved and befuddled Ramirez all fight, jabbing, slipping and countering, made Ramirez miss time and again, a masterclass of hitting and not getting hit, scandalous judging
Whitaker wins the rematch by wide UD to retain his World Lightweight titles, another masterclass and thankfully this time he got the nod, even better than the first fight, just bamboozled Ramirez with his speed, skill, movement and punch picking, Ramirez gave it a go again but walked onto jabs from fellow southpaw Whitaker, also getting nailed with left hands, right hooks, body shots, uppercuts, you name it Whitaker hit him with it, about as good as it gets
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 07 Jul 2021, 03:57
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Greg Haugen
Whitaker schools Haugen over 12 to become World Lightweight champion, a domination from start to finish, Haugen made to look like a novice as opposed to the defending champion, made to miss time and again, Whitaker toyed with him made him miss and made him pay, dropped Haugen in the 6th with a counter left hand, again it was the accuracy and intensity from Whitaker which was unreal as well as the movement and defence, a rout
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 07 Jul 2021, 13:58
by Caractacus
Not classic-but Ultra rare.
(looks like to be)brief ring-side amateur cam-corder B/W video footage at the Gerrie Coetzee vrs Ron Stander fight.
(I've never seen it before until today)
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 03:51
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Jorge Paez
Whitaker beats Paez by UD to retain his Undisputed Lightweight titles, a clear but hard fought win for Whitaker, Paez always came forward trying to drag Whitaker into a brawl and he had odd moments of success, Whitaker always had the quality though, kept moving, kept popping out the jab, he had success with uppercuts, Paez was always marauding forward head low and wide open for them, Paez also suffered cut to right eye after unintentional headbutt in middle rounds and was troubled by it rest of fight
Whitaker lost a point for pushing Paez down in 11th then Paez lost a point for hitting back of head in round 12, scores were unanimous for Whitaker, his skillset on another level
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 03:46
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Buddy McGirt 1+2
Whitaker wins a hard fought close UD over McGirt to become World Welterweight champion, really competitive fight, McGirt came in with an injured left arm and could only use it sparingly to jab to set up right hand which was immense tbf, Whitaker's lead back hand was his best weapon as well, no knockdowns or drama just a hard fight between two quality operators, Whitaker pulled away down stretch to eek out a decision
Whitaker wins the rematch by wide UD to retain his World Welterweight title, another cracker, even better than the first fight, the first 6 rounds were a toe to toe war, it looked like McGirt was still struggling with the left shoulder but he had plenty success with the right dropping Whitaker in the 2nd with it, it looked like he ended up hurting that arm/hand as well and in the second half Whitaker's skills came into play and and he took the fight away from McGirt outboxing him, making him miss and also putting a beating on him, McGirt seemed to gas or run out of ideas and Whitaker took full advantage proving his superiority
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 14:43
by DrDuke
Alexander Povetkin vs Marco Huck
A great brawl. I always have it with an edge towards Huck. Povetkin started good, but Huck woke up in the 4th and shifted the momentum. Povetkin wasn't ready for such counteraction and was tired in the middle of the fight. The bout was quite dirty. Tired Povetkin tried to espace from Huck's punches with bending down, but Huck felt OK with punching to the back of the head. Huck landed more big shots, Povetkin was in trouble on several occasions and finished the fight badly. Probably that's the best performance of Huck.
NoScoutingReports wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 16:46Julio Cesar Chavez v Hector Camacho
Systematic beating administered by Chavez in this one, Camacho couldn't deal with the relentless work rate and combinations from the Mexican. JCC cut the ring off nicely and Hector's pot shots on the move did next to nothing to deter Julio who went up and down with plenty of precision. The JCC left hook to the body was on point throughout alongside the lead right hand which scored at will, busting up Macho to the point that his left eye was all but closed by R8.
Camacho showed plenty of balls to fight back in pockets through R9-12 and hear the final bell despite taking a lot of punishment however this version of Camacho had no answer to Chavez, clinic in pressure fighting.
Hector "Macho" Camacho was over-the-hill by the time he fought the great Julio Cesar Chavez.
Yes; that fight should have happened in 1988.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 15:16
by DrDuke
Guillermo Jones vs Wayne Braithwaite
An entertaining slugfest. In the 1st round Jones was simply beating the hell out of Braithwaite, it was a 10-8 type of beatdown without a KD, could be stopped easily. In the 3rd Braithwaite came back and had Jones in trouble. In the 4th there was a brawl with success from both sides. Jones started to beat Braithwaite up again and the ref stopped it. Well, such stoppages are generally good, but, acknowledging that Braithwaite had taken more in the 1st than in the 4th, the stoppage can be called a bit premature.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 19:28
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 13:21
Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1
Ramirez beats Whitaker by a ridiculous SD to retain his World Lightweight title, one of the worst decisions ive seen in boxing, Whitaker got absolutely jobbed, Ramirez pressed for 12 rounds but barely won a round, he couldn't hit Whitaker with a handful of rice, Whitaker boxed moved and befuddled Ramirez all fight, jabbing, slipping and countering, made Ramirez miss time and again, a masterclass of hitting and not getting hit, scandalous judging
- Heh, heh, you obviously a victim of the shaping of your soft clay by voraciously venomous American announcers. Is this the hysteric forum now?
Boxrec wiki no better saying this was a Paris hometown decision for the Mexican Ramirez not so far off from a legit
whooping by JC Chavez and 3 years off a Hector Camacho masterclass humiliation. Mute the sound to preserve the shape of your soft clay. Early on the far quicker Pea moves, pops, and pirouettes with ama ballerina ease to float petticoats, however...
JL soon finds a home El Gancho del Izquierda al hígado as Pea fades evermore while repeatedly moving into the punch. Pea too inexperienced to figure this out and dumbo Duva too boxing illiterate to help him. Duva would two years later to land in the top ten Dumbo Trainer HOF with his idiocy in the Taylor fight. Pea guts in a heavy broil now, so he starts jumping straight in to grab and lowblow in between turning his back in walkaways across the ring to buy time, an historical DQ offense and as far from a masterclass as can be found.
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame? That's up there with the unlicensed, propped up cadaver of Field rolled out to beat Valuev...only in boxing folks
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame?
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2021, 21:49
by bobcatbox
Such a good thread handsofstone.
My wife and I just had a baby, so I’m spending my late nights watching classic boxing with my daughter. Catching up on these you’ve mentioned at the beginning of the thread. Started off with Gatti-Robinson I & II. Thought the first fight was better, but they were both high value! Gatti could really take a beating and come back like nobody else.
handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 13:21
Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1
Ramirez beats Whitaker by a ridiculous SD to retain his World Lightweight title, one of the worst decisions ive seen in boxing, Whitaker got absolutely jobbed, Ramirez pressed for 12 rounds but barely won a round, he couldn't hit Whitaker with a handful of rice, Whitaker boxed moved and befuddled Ramirez all fight, jabbing, slipping and countering, made Ramirez miss time and again, a masterclass of hitting and not getting hit, scandalous judging
- Heh, heh, you obviously a victim of the shaping of your soft clay by voraciously venomous American announcers. Is this the hysteric forum now?
Boxrec wiki no better saying this was a Paris hometown decision for the Mexican Ramirez not so far off from a legit
whooping by JC Chavez and 3 years off a Hector Camacho masterclass humiliation. Mute the sound to preserve the shape of your soft clay. Early on the far quicker Pea moves, pops, and pirouettes with ama ballerina ease to float petticoats, however...
JL soon finds a home El Gancho del Izquierda al hígado as Pea fades evermore while repeatedly moving into the punch. Pea too inexperienced to figure this out and dumbo Duva too boxing illiterate to help him. Duva would two years later to land in the top ten Dumbo Trainer HOF with his idiocy in the Taylor fight. Pea guts in a heavy broil now, so he starts jumping straight in to grab and lowblow in between turning his back in walkaways across the ring to buy time, an historical DQ offense and as far from a masterclass as can be found.
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame? That's up there with the unlicensed, propped up cadaver of Field rolled out to beat Valuev...only in boxing folks
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame?
Broughton apart from being a condescending cockwomzble, you're utterly clueless, stick to reading about boxing instead of watching it, boring bastard, i dont think ive ever made it through one of your posts without bailing, stop trying too hard cupcake
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 10 Jul 2021, 06:57
by handsofstone
bobcatbox wrote: ↑09 Jul 2021, 21:49
Such a good thread handsofstone.
My wife and I just had a baby, so I’m spending my late nights watching classic boxing with my daughter. Catching up on these you’ve mentioned at the beginning of the thread. Started off with Gatti-Robinson I & II. Thought the first fight was better, but they were both high value! Gatti could really take a beating and come back like nobody else.
Thanks Bobcat and congrats brother
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 10 Jul 2021, 14:13
by Bodyshot3
Stick with it Hands......top thread and your contributions are valued by many.
Along with 'Best I Faced' it is one of the best discussions on history.
But no more Valuev and please don't discover the Henry Maske back catalogue
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 14:16
by handsofstone
Bodyshot3 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2021, 14:13
Stick with it Hands......top thread and your contributions are valued by many.
Along with 'Best I Faced' it is one of the best discussions on history.
But no more Valuev and please don't discover the Henry Maske back catalogue
handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 13:21
Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1
Ramirez beats Whitaker by a ridiculous SD to retain his World Lightweight title, one of the worst decisions ive seen in boxing, Whitaker got absolutely jobbed, Ramirez pressed for 12 rounds but barely won a round, he couldn't hit Whitaker with a handful of rice, Whitaker boxed moved and befuddled Ramirez all fight, jabbing, slipping and countering, made Ramirez miss time and again, a masterclass of hitting and not getting hit, scandalous judging
- Heh, heh, you obviously a victim of the shaping of your soft clay by voraciously venomous American announcers. Is this the hysteric forum now?
Boxrec wiki no better saying this was a Paris hometown decision for the Mexican Ramirez not so far off from a legit
whooping by JC Chavez and 3 years off a Hector Camacho masterclass humiliation. Mute the sound to preserve the shape of your soft clay. Early on the far quicker Pea moves, pops, and pirouettes with ama ballerina ease to float petticoats, however...
JL soon finds a home El Gancho del Izquierda al hígado as Pea fades evermore while repeatedly moving into the punch. Pea too inexperienced to figure this out and dumbo Duva too boxing illiterate to help him. Duva would two years later to land in the top ten Dumbo Trainer HOF with his idiocy in the Taylor fight. Pea guts in a heavy broil now, so he starts jumping straight in to grab and lowblow in between turning his back in walkaways across the ring to buy time, an historical DQ offense and as far from a masterclass as can be found.
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame? That's up there with the unlicensed, propped up cadaver of Field rolled out to beat Valuev...only in boxing folks
Yeah, avenge in JL's 110th and 2nd to last fight, but really, have you no shame?
Broughton apart from being a condescending cockwomzble, you're utterly clueless, stick to reading about boxing instead of watching it, boring bastard, i dont think ive ever made it through one of your posts without bailing, stop trying too hard cupcake
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 15:02
by Caractacus
not a classic-but have you ever heard of this fight ?
whomever They were must either have been either a real Chuck Wepner or Manuel Ramos fan to take sneak in about
10 reels of Super 8 mm film to have filmed it ringside.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 14 Jul 2021, 03:54
by handsofstone
Pernell Whitaker vs Gary Jacobs
Whitaker beats Jacobs by UD to retain his World Welterweight title, not a classic, an all southpaw affair, Whitaker won wide but struggled to shine, credit to Jacobs he gave it a go, worked the right hand, tried to jab and kept moving, plugging away, making Whitaker work at all times but after 6 rounds, Whitaker began to pull away, jabbing, moving and outboxing Jacobs
Jacobs was credited with a KD in the 11th after a right to the body had Whitaker falling over, it did look a balance issue though, still in the 12th Jacobs lost a point for holding, then with seconds left Whitaker dropped Jacobs heavy face first with a peach of a left hand, Jacobs got up legs gone but there was enough time for Whitaker to put him down again with another left, this time Jacobs flat on his back, the bell went to end the fight, there was confusion as to whether it was a KO but Whitaker had to settle for a decision, commendable effort from Jacobs but Whitaker a worthy winner
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 14 Jul 2021, 14:42
by Bodyshot3
Haha cheers mate ive done Maske already mate
Thank the good lord for that and also that I was clearly somewhere else for the Maske thread
I liked the shout-out for Gary Jacobs - Gary was decent/exciting - and I think Mickey Duff properly held a candle for him and it was not all about the money for Mickey due to their shared heritage. Duff was properly involved with Gary.
Duff and his welterweight fighters is a fascinating discussion.
He worked with Laing and Jacobs - he clearly loved them both - but it was actually Honeyghan (who he had tricky times with and it was not a cuddle-fest) who delivered the ultimate prize for Duff.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 14 Jul 2021, 17:19
by NoScoutingReports
Oscar De La Hoya v Shane Mosley II
First half of the fight Oscar completely controlled proceedings behind his crisp jab while judging distance effectively to keep Mosley at bay, occasionally firing home a sharp right hand to both head and body. ODLH was getting off first and proving quite elusive, catching a lot of Shane's shots on the gloves.
Sugar began to have some success in the later rounds, most notably from R9 when a vicious body shot looked to back up Oscar for the first time in the fight. Mosley put together his most consistent barrage of attacks after this but De La Hoya weathered the storm and often answered back with some nicely timed counters.
R12 came to life as arguably the biggest shot of the night landed via the right hook of Mosley but ODLH fought back hard to produce a fitting final round of action. I had this 116-112 for ODLH, poor decision in my opinion.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 15 Jul 2021, 03:22
by handsofstone
Tim Witherspoon vs James Tillis
Witherspoon stops Tillis in 1 round of a non title fight, good win that, he rocked Tillis with a big right then another sent him down heavy face first through the ropes, he got up groggy and a Witherspoon attack had him down a second time, not much clean landed but Tillis still badly hurt from first KD
Tillis got up again but Witherspoon landed clean shots from both hands when the ref stepped in
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Posted: 15 Jul 2021, 03:57
by margaret thatcher
NoScoutingReports wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 17:19Oscar De La Hoya v Shane Mosley II
First half of the fight Oscar completely controlled proceedings behind his crisp jab while judging distance effectively to keep Mosley at bay, occasionally firing home a sharp right hand to both head and body. ODLH was getting off first and proving quite elusive, catching a lot of Shane's shots on the gloves.
Sugar began to have some success in the later rounds, most notably from R9 when a vicious body shot looked to back up Oscar for the first time in the fight. Mosley put together his most consistent barrage of attacks after this but De La Hoya weathered the storm and often answered back with some nicely timed counters.
R12 came to life as arguably the biggest shot of the night landed via the right hook of Mosley but ODLH fought back hard to produce a fitting final round of action. I had this 116-112 for ODLH, poor decision in my opinion.
oscar defo deserved it, the ppl scoring it for shane are just trying to be cool and hip and different
