Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 07:31
by DrDuke
I doubt Fury will f8ck with Joyce around the contract. Joyce is under the same promotion, he's popular in Britain, yet he's a far lesser draw. Joyce will agree on every term. Fury has been talking about this fight, while he has been sh1tting on Usyk for ages because of him not being a huge interest to the western public.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 08:41
by dan28uk
without question joyce and usyk are far tougher opponents than chisora and whyte furys made a load of money off his last two fights im not so sure now that he's actually that interested in dangerous challengers, we'll see hopefully im wrong and one of those fights comes off at the very least
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 08:41
by Finkel
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 07:31
I doubt Fury will f8ck with Joyce around the contract. Joyce is under the same promotion, he's popular in Britain, yet he's a far lesser draw. Joyce will agree on every term. Fury has been talking about this fight, while he has been sh1tting on Usyk for ages because of him not being a huge interest to the western public.
This was Fury on Joyce, after Joyce had done a job on Parker
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 07:31
I doubt Fury will f8ck with Joyce around the contract. Joyce is under the same promotion, he's popular in Britain, yet he's a far lesser draw. Joyce will agree on every term. Fury has been talking about this fight, while he has been sh1tting on Usyk for ages because of him not being a huge interest to the western public.
This was Fury on Joyce, after Joyce had done a job on Parker
Fury can come up with more excuses to not fight than any man in history
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 07:31
I doubt Fury will f8ck with Joyce around the contract. Joyce is under the same promotion, he's popular in Britain, yet he's a far lesser draw. Joyce will agree on every term. Fury has been talking about this fight, while he has been sh1tting on Usyk for ages because of him not being a huge interest to the western public.
This was Fury on Joyce, after Joyce had done a job on Parker
The more I read this sort of stuff the more I'm convinced that Fury just wants to fight his wife.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 09:15
by Glass Joe
119 pages very good but doesn't compare to OTH forum Ben D thread 1 million views and 24.6k posts
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 09:50
by Ruthless-RKO
Glass Joe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 09:15
119 pages very good but doesn't compare to OTH forum Ben D thread 1 million views and 24.6k posts
Give it time..
It's pretty good for CS/BI section.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
polecateddy wrote: ↑26 Mar 2023, 13:50
I think Boxrec should hear our cry, and move Fury down from number one to number two in the heavyweight rankings. Clearly, not even Fury himself believes he’s the best in the world. I certainly can’t think of a number one who has run so hard from a number of challenges. I mean Bowe and Rock Newman only did this once!
Usyk can't be #1 too. Winning Joshua and Chisora isn't enough. Fury's resume is better, since he has Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Wallin.
Even if Fury contributed more to the fall of the negotiations, he can't be automatically pulled down in the rankings. He was favored to win and he will be until he performs worse than Usyk in the future or loses to him. If Fury fights Joyce, when Usyk fights Dub, Fury's resume still will be improving over Usyk's.
Please look at the whole pic.
Fury’s best wins
39 year old Wlad (didn’t give a rematch)
Deontay (3 times). Is Deontay a real great? No
Delboy (3 times). Why he’s on list I’ll never know
Dillian
Otto. -really??? Come on now
McDermott. (Did he win the first one ?)
Usyk
Joshua (x2) who had beaten Wlad and Dillion too
Bellew
Gassiev
Briedis
Olympic Champion
Holds 3 belts too.
Let’s get this right. It’s fugazi that Fury’s record is better. Its nonsense.
I rate Wlad as mid to high level in the pantheon of Champions because the names on his record are- good but not great. For example:
Chambers
Mercer (old old Mercer)
Peter
Mormeck
Thompson
The list of averageness goes on but,
Still more interesting than Fury’s
It’s all hype and I’m a proud Englishman.
As a footnote. If we just looking at names then AJ’s resume is superior to fury’s also.
So there
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
tonyevs wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 04:09
Talk of Joyce v Fury is just a distraction. To try build Fury into this fearless real fighting man rubbish after his recent duck and social media turning on him.
I'm sure fWank would love to make AJ v Fury in a heartbeat .. but if AJ looks anything more than 60% of his usual self in his next fight then Fury will duck that too.
I think Fury claims to retire soon to be able to sit out this year and wait for a big money one off fight early next year.
It was always predictable Fury would implode. Way too much hype and he was/is never clever enough to stay within the limits of his true worth.
Good riddance to him
But he hasn’t imploded. He’s lost a lot of fans, yes, but he’s still got a lot more than he did post Wlad. He’s also loaded, unbeaten and still champ. He’s not flavour of the month but he certainly hasn’t imploded.
He has most definitely imploded - absolutely no question about that.
Fury`s emotions have let him down with his foul mouthed rants at Usyk, Simon Jordan .. even fans. If thats not someone imploding then I guess the definition of a person imploding needs changing.
I am unsure he has more fans now than when he first beat Wlad .. its difficult at the moment to find a positive comment on any Tyson Fury insta/TickTok picture or clip.
That he is very rich, and still a belt holder means very little. The guy has gone from hero to zero due to his own fragile emotions .. you`ve said yourself you think he has lost it. That Mick is Fury imploding
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023? - What will the headlines be next Monday?
Posted: 27 Mar 2023, 12:10
by Grilling Machine
ashall2 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2023, 13:40More chance of Fury joining Harry Kane up front
Ducking and diving.
quickeyg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 05:20Be careful what you say.
The tables can turn quickly.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
polecateddy wrote: ↑26 Mar 2023, 13:50
I think Boxrec should hear our cry, and move Fury down from number one to number two in the heavyweight rankings. Clearly, not even Fury himself believes he’s the best in the world. I certainly can’t think of a number one who has run so hard from a number of challenges. I mean Bowe and Rock Newman only did this once!
Usyk can't be #1 too. Winning Joshua and Chisora isn't enough. Fury's resume is better, since he has Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Wallin.
Even if Fury contributed more to the fall of the negotiations, he can't be automatically pulled down in the rankings. He was favored to win and he will be until he performs worse than Usyk in the future or loses to him. If Fury fights Joyce, when Usyk fights Dub, Fury's resume still will be improving over Usyk's.
Please look at the whole pic.
Fury’s best wins
39 year old Wlad (didn’t give a rematch)
Deontay (3 times). Is Deontay a real great? No
Delboy (3 times). Why he’s on list I’ll never know
Dillian
Otto. -really??? Come on now
McDermott. (Did he win the first one ?)
Usyk
Joshua (x2) who had beaten Wlad and Dillion too
Bellew
Gassiev
Briedis
Olympic Champion
Holds 3 belts too.
Let’s get this right. It’s fugazi that Fury’s record is better. Its nonsense.
I rate Wlad as mid to high level in the pantheon of Champions because the names on his record are- good but not great. For example:
Chambers
Mercer (old old Mercer)
Peter
Mormeck
Thompson
The list of averageness goes on but,
Still more interesting than Fury’s
It’s all hype and I’m a proud Englishman.
As a footnote. If we just looking at names then AJ’s resume is superior to fury’s also.
So there
How Usyk's cruiser achievements count in rating him at heavy? It can be possible, only if Briedis and Gassiev prove their credibility in this weight, which they haven't done yet.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Usyk can't be #1 too. Winning Joshua and Chisora isn't enough. Fury's resume is better, since he has Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Wallin.
Even if Fury contributed more to the fall of the negotiations, he can't be automatically pulled down in the rankings. He was favored to win and he will be until he performs worse than Usyk in the future or loses to him. If Fury fights Joyce, when Usyk fights Dub, Fury's resume still will be improving over Usyk's.
Please look at the whole pic.
Fury’s best wins
39 year old Wlad (didn’t give a rematch)
Deontay (3 times). Is Deontay a real great? No
Delboy (3 times). Why he’s on list I’ll never know
Dillian
Otto. -really??? Come on now
McDermott. (Did he win the first one ?)
Usyk
Joshua (x2) who had beaten Wlad and Dillion too
Bellew
Gassiev
Briedis
Olympic Champion
Holds 3 belts too.
Let’s get this right. It’s fugazi that Fury’s record is better. Its nonsense.
I rate Wlad as mid to high level in the pantheon of Champions because the names on his record are- good but not great. For example:
Chambers
Mercer (old old Mercer)
Peter
Mormeck
Thompson
The list of averageness goes on but,
Still more interesting than Fury’s
It’s all hype and I’m a proud Englishman.
As a footnote. If we just looking at names then AJ’s resume is superior to fury’s also.
So there
How Usyk's cruiser achievements count in rating him at heavy? It can be possible, only if Briedis and Gassiev prove their credibility in this weight, which they haven't done yet.
Ok and with respect, sincerely
We have to rank Chisora, Whyte, Otto (and Wilder)
Higher just coz they’re heavyweights
Whilst Usyk has convincing beaten Joshua (twice) who’d you’d favour against all those 4. (OK Wilder 60/40) imho
Briedis and Gassiev proved their credibility at Cruiser and they were quite dominant until they faced Usyk.
Usyk’s resume is better. Not ducked no-one either.
Fury’s record is weak when talked about as a great. It does not compute.
We can agree to disagree.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
si7dog7 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2023, 11:33
Please look at the whole pic.
Fury’s best wins
39 year old Wlad (didn’t give a rematch)
Deontay (3 times). Is Deontay a real great? No
Delboy (3 times). Why he’s on list I’ll never know
Dillian
Otto. -really??? Come on now
McDermott. (Did he win the first one ?)
Usyk
Joshua (x2) who had beaten Wlad and Dillion too
Bellew
Gassiev
Briedis
Olympic Champion
Holds 3 belts too.
Let’s get this right. It’s fugazi that Fury’s record is better. Its nonsense.
I rate Wlad as mid to high level in the pantheon of Champions because the names on his record are- good but not great. For example:
Chambers
Mercer (old old Mercer)
Peter
Mormeck
Thompson
The list of averageness goes on but,
Still more interesting than Fury’s
It’s all hype and I’m a proud Englishman.
As a footnote. If we just looking at names then AJ’s resume is superior to fury’s also.
So there
How Usyk's cruiser achievements count in rating him at heavy? It can be possible, only if Briedis and Gassiev prove their credibility in this weight, which they haven't done yet.
Ok and with respect, sincerely
We have to rank Chisora, Whyte, Otto (and Wilder)
Higher just coz they’re heavyweights
Whilst Usyk has convincing beaten Joshua (twice) who’d you’d favour against all those 4. (OK Wilder 60/40) imho
Briedis and Gassiev proved their credibility at Cruiser and they were quite dominant until they faced Usyk.
Usyk’s resume is better. Not ducked no-one either.
Fury’s record is weak when talked about as a great. It does not compute.
We can agree to disagree.
The thing is, his resume is better overall, but not in heavy, simple as that.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
How Usyk's cruiser achievements count in rating him at heavy? It can be possible, only if Briedis and Gassiev prove their credibility in this weight, which they haven't done yet.
Ok and with respect, sincerely
We have to rank Chisora, Whyte, Otto (and Wilder)
Higher just coz they’re heavyweights
Whilst Usyk has convincing beaten Joshua (twice) who’d you’d favour against all those 4. (OK Wilder 60/40) imho
Briedis and Gassiev proved their credibility at Cruiser and they were quite dominant until they faced Usyk.
Usyk’s resume is better. Not ducked no-one either.
Fury’s record is weak when talked about as a great. It does not compute.
We can agree to disagree.
The thing is, his resume is better overall, but not in heavy, simple as that.
I can agree that totally
His wins over Joshua though surplant him above Fury.
Even though he’s only had less than a handful of fights at HW
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 07:04
by Nightmare Roy
FW
Talking about the rematch clause in the contract
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 14:49
by mickey1975
After watching a Kalle Saurerland interview today I rewatched Usyk v Breidis. Superb fight, This seems to have got lost a bit amongst the hype recently. A majority decision against an arguably peak Usyk. He’s definitely slowed down a lot since then. Much tougher fight than Aj. Where would you put Breidis in the heavyweight rankings? Or the bloke who beat him a lot easier than Usyk?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 14:58
by margaret thatcher
lol, where would big john mcderrmot, stevey cunningham, or nev pajkic go in the rankings briedis is almost 40 now and a cruiser. hasnt fought a heavy in many years. he doesn't really fit into the hw picture although im sure he could beat most of the big lads
jai-bridies was a great fight too btw, jai started excellent but had hell in the 2nd half, the double broken jaw was an absolute mess (ya, beat him so easily lol), though not as gory as tyson's face being torn off by wallin
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 15:28
by mickey1975
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 14:58
lol, where would big john mcderrmot, stevey cunningham, or nev pajkic go in the rankings briedis is almost 40 now and a cruiser. hasnt fought a heavy in many years. he doesn't really fit into the hw picture although im sure he could beat most of the big lads
jai-bridies was a great fight too btw, jai started excellent but had hell in the 2nd half, the double broken jaw was an absolute mess (ya, beat him so easily lol), though not as gory as tyson's face being torn off by wallin
I wasn’t trolling. He’s the same age as Joe Joyce. I also think Fury peaked at Wilder 2 if you want to add balance.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 15:29
by Sweet Dick Willie
Briedis - Fury 29 April 2023???
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 15:50
by polecateddy
JackSprocket wrote: ↑28 Mar 2023, 15:29
Briedis - Fury 29 April 2023???
It would have echoes of Wlad v Jean-Marc Mormeck, except Fury would probably make a messy meal of getting the win.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 19:40
by a force
Breidis has had a lot of hard fights & is well past his peak.
I think Usyk fought pretty much the peak version of him in his backyard in Riga. I don’t think there’s been a better version of Breidis than that.
I believe he would’ve beaten Gassiev if he faced him in the semis instead of Usyk.
He was some fighter in his prime & I can see why Bellew wanted nothing to do with him.
In terms of best opponents, Hunter should be on Usyk’s list. He would be one of Fury’s best wins.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 28 Mar 2023, 23:24
by DrDuke
Briedis was pretty serious about stepping up to heavy after winning the 2nd cruiser WBSS against Dorticos, but eventually he claimed, that it was extremely tough to make big fights at HW, so he decided to stay at cruiser. It seems he was right.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 29 Mar 2023, 03:30
by Twinkle Toes
What is Fury doing now?
Has he retired again or is he still going to hang around and fight Joshua.
You guys with the moles in the camp (not the lions) what's happening.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
I believe he would’ve beaten Gassiev if he faced him in the semis instead of Usyk.
Would have been an epic fight
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 29 Mar 2023, 04:20
by tonyevs
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑29 Mar 2023, 03:30
What is Fury doing now?
Has he retired again or is he still going to hang around and fight Joshua.
You guys with the moles in the camp (not the lions) what's happening.
I think it's been proved quite clearly that nobody here had any moles in any camp.
From what I see, Fury is either in hiding or been told to stay away from any social media whilst his camp try and clean up his mess.
We have had the PR team put out that Paris Fury is pregnant with her 11th or 12th kid .. they have wheeled out the rent-o-journo/idiots like Colin Fart and Gareth Ass Davies to inform people 'what really happened .. and we've had speculation that the true fighting man Fury wants Joe Joyce in the summer.
I expect Fury to be gagged for another few weeks to avoid further damage. Unless AJ gets flattened by Franklin, I don't imagine Fury being any keener to actually face him yet .. so I still think a period of retirement for the Gypsy-Quack is on the cards.
briedis is almost 40 now and a cruiser. hasnt fought a heavy in many years. he doesn't really fit into the hw picture although im sure he could beat most of the big lads
