Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Frankie, having gone to GG national's in 1975 with the L.A. team was not able to fight in the 1976 L.A tourney because of a broken ankle. By the time Las Vegas had their tournament Frankie ankle was healed. I called Bill Miller L.V. tournament director and told him I was taking Frankie to fight on the L.V tourney, he told me not to bother, that Frankie would not be allowed to fight because he had fought on the Olympic's am/pro card against AAU rules. I talk to Aileen Eaton and she send me to see her attorney, Paul Caruso. Caruso got on the phone with Miller, after a conversation that lasted may be five minutes he hung up and told Frankie, " you're fighting in Vegas.

Frankie lost his first fight in Vegas.

[Panzerfaust]

I have a great article about and with Fritzie Zivic called: ''you gotta fight dirty'' . Im not sure how to share it though :(
If anyone know how let me know

I'd like to see it, Remy.

I have no idea how to get it up here, but i sendt it in a e-mail Rick

[raylawpc]

I have a great article about and with Fritzie Zivic called: ''you gotta fight dirty'' . Im not sure how to share it though :(
If anyone know how let me know

I'd like to see it, Remy.

I have no idea how to get it up here, but i sendt it in a e-mail Rick

If you e-mail it to Frank, he can probably figure out how to post it.

[Panzerfaust]

I'd like to see it, Remy.

I have no idea how to get it up here, but i sendt it in a e-mail Rick

If you e-mail it to Frank, he can probably figure out how to post it.

This is quite odd, the oldest guy on the thread is the computer expert here,you put us youngsters to shame Frank
If you send me your e-mail Frank, i can send it to you aswell if youre interested

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Go for it Ram

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No can do, Ram, its on pdf files, those kind of files are a bitch to work with.

I can open and read it, but I can't upload it to the thread

[Panzerfaust]

Luckily someone else allready did it for us, a google search reminded me where i got it...



http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/zivic-dirty.pdf

[Rick Farris]

Frankie, having gone to GG national's in 1975 with the L.A. team was not able to fight in the 1976 L.A tourney because of a broken ankle. By the time Las Vegas had their tournament Frankie ankle was healed. I called Bill Miller L.V. tournament director and told him I was taking Frankie to fight on the L.V tourney, he told me not to bother, that Frankie would not be allowed to fight because he had fought on the Olympic's am/pro card against AAU rules. I talk to Aileen Eaton and she send me to see her attorney, Paul Caruso. Caruso got on the phone with Miller, after a conversation that lasted may be five minutes he hung up and told Frankie, " you're fighting in Vegas.

Frankie lost his first fight in Vegas.

It had to be a decision.
I don't know who they had from Las Vegas in 1975, but I find it hard to believe Frankie losing.
He was one of the best in the country, for sure.
Interesting info relating to Aileen "fixing it". I like that, real power.

[Rick Farris]

By the way, Remy, thanks for the Fritizie Zivic story. A true classic.
Our friend, Brian ("ExPug"), is a fan of Fritzie Zivic. He'll appreciate this.

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Frankie, having gone to GG national's in 1975 with the L.A. team was not able to fight in the 1976 L.A tourney because of a broken ankle. By the time Las Vegas had their tournament Frankie ankle was healed. I called Bill Miller L.V. tournament director and told him I was taking Frankie to fight on the L.V tourney, he told me not to bother, that Frankie would not be allowed to fight because he had fought on the Olympic's am/pro card against AAU rules. I talk to Aileen Eaton and she send me to see her attorney, Paul Caruso. Caruso got on the phone with Miller, after a conversation that lasted may be five minutes he hung up and told Frankie, " you're fighting in Vegas.

Frankie lost his first fight in Vegas.

It had to be a decision.
I don't know who they had from Las Vegas in 1975, but I find it hard to believe Frankie losing.
He was one of the best in the country, for sure.
Interesting info relating to Aileen "fixing it". I like that, real power.

Frankie lost to a tall, about six feet, black kid from the northwest, its was a close fight that I knew was not going to go our way....

[Expug]

By the way, Remy, thanks for the Fritizie Zivic story. A true classic.
Our friend, Brian ("ExPug"), is a fan of Fritzie Zivic. He'll appreciate this.

Yes,indeed I am and I sure would.
Fritzie and Lew Jenkins are two fighters from that era that had fascinating careers and lives.
I always grab any info on those two!

[Rick Farris]

By the way, Remy, thanks for the Fritizie Zivic story. A true classic.
Our friend, Brian ("ExPug"), is a fan of Fritzie Zivic. He'll appreciate this.

Yes,indeed I am and I sure would.
Fritzie and Lew Jenkins are two fighters from that era that had fascinating careers and lives.
I always grab any info on those two!

In the story, Zivic talks about his fights with Lew Jenkins. It's really a great read, like sitting down with the fighter and listening to a few of his personal memories. Like Brian, I really like the guy. Wouldn't it be great if we could go to an old arena and watch guys like Zivic, Ace Hudkins, etc.?

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Luckily someone else allready did it for us, a google search reminded me where i got it...



http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/zivic-dirty.pdf

If you missed it Brian heres a link to the article

Rick, Fritzie Zivic is one of those fighters i would be most eager to train with in a gym for a long period of time. The fact that SRR and several other talked about it as going to boxing college after fighting ''old'' Zivic speaks volumes

[Rick Farris]

Luckily someone else allready did it for us, a google search reminded me where i got it...



http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/zivic-dirty.pdf

If you missed it Brian heres a link to the article

Rick, Fritzie Zivic is one of those fighters i would be most eager to train with in a gym for a long period of time. The fact that SRR and several other talked about it as going to boxing college after fighting ''old'' Zivic speaks volumes

During his eighteen-year career, Zivic fought 231 times. In 1933-34, he fought a series of fights in California, appearing at the Olympic five times, the Hollywood Legion once, Pico Arena and other venues, including Stockton. A master prizefighter.
Zivic has already been inducted into the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

Hey Frank, what if I sponser a table in the name of Fritzie Zivic, possibly two?

[Rick Farris]

Name: Fritzie Zivic

Birth Name: Ferdinand Zivic
Born: 1913-05-08
Birthplace: Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania, USA
Died: 1984-05-17 (Age:71)
Nationality: US American
Hometown: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

Stance: Orthodox
Height: 5′ 10″ / 178cm
Reach: 71″ / 180cm

Managers: Luke Carney (1931-1942), Louis Stokan (1942-1949)
Trainer: Bobby Quinn

World Welterweight Champion 1941-1942
One of the five fighting Zivic brothers: including Joe, Eddie, Pete and Jack
Joined the United States Army April 14, 1944 at the New Cumberland, PA army reception center, after being inducted in Pittsburgh.
Inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1987 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1993.

Zivic fought 1797 rounds during his 18-year career, equal to 180 ten rounders.
His 231 fight record is too big for me to post here.

[Rick Farris]

Zivic's California boxing history . . .

Fritzie Zivic boxed a dozen fights in a row in California, early in his career, between 1933-34.
He never lost here.
Here is the Boxrec accounting of these bouts:
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1934-05-29 Luis Carranza 1-2-1
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4
Carranza was knocked down in the 1st and 3rd round.

1934-05-08 142 Lloyd Smith 141 31-18-12
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 6 6
referee: Frankie Van

1934-03-06 142 Lloyd Smith 141 30-17-9
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 6 6
1934-02-06 141 Perfecto Lopez 139 15-4-4
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 6 6
1934-01-23 143 Baby Sal Sorio 145 69-25-16
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 2 6
Sorio was knocked down twice in the 2nd round.

1933-12-27 142 Rudy Ayon 139½ 10-2-4
Pico Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1933-12-15 140 Vincent Martinez 140 19-9-4
Legion Stadium, Hollywood, California, United States W PTS 4 4
1933-12-11 Nick Raya 149 10-9-8
Pico Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 3
1933-12-04 Homer Foster 2-1-1
Pico Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States D PTS 4 4
1933-11-23 141 Don Miller 147 0-3-0
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States W KO 3 4
1933-11-03 138½ Gus Vargas 131 2-2-2
Dreamland Auditorium, San Francisco, California, United States W KO 2 4
1933-10-12 Joe Pimenthal 49-31-14
Pasadena Arena, Pasadena, California, United States W KO 4

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Luckily someone else allready did it for us, a google search reminded me where i got it...



http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/zivic-dirty.pdf

If you missed it Brian heres a link to the article

Rick, Fritzie Zivic is one of those fighters i would be most eager to train with in a gym for a long period of time. The fact that SRR and several other talked about it as going to boxing college after fighting ''old'' Zivic speaks volumes

During his eighteen-year career, Zivic fought 231 times. In 1933-34, he fought a series of fights in California, appearing at the Olympic five times, the Hollywood Legion once, Pico Arena and other venues, including Stockton. A master prizefighter.
Zivic has already been inducted into the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

Hey Frank, what if I sponser a table in the name of Fritzie Zivic, possibly two?

Don Fraser would love that Rick.....

[Rick Farris]

If you missed it Brian heres a link to the article

Rick, Fritzie Zivic is one of those fighters i would be most eager to train with in a gym for a long period of time. The fact that SRR and several other talked about it as going to boxing college after fighting ''old'' Zivic speaks volumes

During his eighteen-year career, Zivic fought 231 times. In 1933-34, he fought a series of fights in California, appearing at the Olympic five times, the Hollywood Legion once, Pico Arena and other venues, including Stockton. A master prizefighter.
Zivic has already been inducted into the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

Hey Frank, what if I sponser a table in the name of Fritzie Zivic, possibly two?

Don Fraser would love that Rick.....

I'll call Don tomorrow.
Who is more qualified than Fritzie Zivic?

[Panzerfaust]

During his eighteen-year career, Zivic fought 231 times. In 1933-34, he fought a series of fights in California, appearing at the Olympic five times, the Hollywood Legion once, Pico Arena and other venues, including Stockton. A master prizefighter.
Zivic has already been inducted into the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

Hey Frank, what if I sponser a table in the name of Fritzie Zivic, possibly two?

Don Fraser would love that Rick.....

I'll call Don.
Who is more qualified than Fritzie Zivic?

So this is how stuff happens it just comes gliding along

[Panzerfaust]

Hey Frank, you mentioned you liked old buildings.. I got a few forts and fortifications around where i live that were initiated in the 17th and 18th century.. Ill go out and take some photos of it one day and post them up

[Rick Farris]

Don Fraser would love that Rick.....

I'll call Don.
Who is more qualified than Fritzie Zivic?

So this is how stuff happens it just comes gliding along

This stuff came gliding along from Norway
Remy, you and your lady will be the guests of Fritzie Zivic at the CBHOF luncheon if Don gives this his blessing.
That's how we do things in L.A., you have to make stuff happen.

[kikibalt]

31st annual banquet of champion NOT to take place on Nov. 19 in Las Vegas.!!!!

Dear friends, and supporters of the WBHF:
I am sorry to admit and state that yes, there will not be an induction ceremony on Nov. 19, 2010 in Las Vegas. The WBHF board actually voted on this almost 2 weeks ago. I was in a stupor for most of those 2 weeks. It almost felt like when I fought my last fight against Leonard or even after my first fight with Jose Napoles.
But life must go on! I felt that 30 years of successful inductions had not given us that much stature in the eyes of the world and I believe this would have changed if we could do this in Las Vegas , the fight capital of the world. This years event was going to be a co-promotion by the WBHF and gentleman I met who has put on entertainment events and promotions. We worked at this since last January and we made so many contacts and even agreements.
In the process of this event taking place, a few boxing fans and true supporters of the WBHF had bought tickets in advance. We have been in the process of getting the money back to these people and we will.
We are working with an attorney who wants the best for the WBHF and who has important contacts in Las Vegas AND the Palm Springs area. We WILL have a 31st induction ceremony and we are looking at Feb. or March. We will keep everyone abreast of what is going on!!
yours truly.....................Armando Muniz

[CNorkusJr]

Rick- You mention in the above, that Shane Mosley debuts as a amateur that night on a pro card featuring Gary Russell Jr. They mix Amateur fights in with pro fights on the same card in Cal.? The reason I mention it is because that same situation does not exist here in New York.
Amateur cards are separate from pro cards here. They are both run by different orgs.
If you dont mind me asking, How long has CA. been doing that ? Do you or Frank see any kind of adverse reaction to it on those nights ? Or is it possible, that because it is Shane's son fighting this is a special one-time thing because of its unique popularity.? Thanks guys.

Charlie...I remember the weekly am/pro cards in the early '70's at the Olympic. My son Tony fought as an amateur on one of Frankie's main event cards, he ko John Montes with the first punch he threw, about 20 seconds into the first round. In the late '70's I became the amateur matchmaker at the Olympic. I liked it, the AAU didn't.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Olympic_Auditorium

The am/pro cards at the Olympic continued well into the '80's. Rogelio Robles who took over from Aileen Eaton as promoter when Aileen retired circa 1980 continued with the program. Don Chargin continued as pro matchmaker and I as amateur matchmaker.. It was fun making those amateur bouts, arguing with the trainers, but; then I was used to it from the Jr's....

In 1969 I fought on a few of the thursday night pro cards from the Olympic as well. We, the boxers, loved it. In the beginning the amateur bouts were televised between 8-8:30pm, with the pro card going from 8:30-10pm. IT developed a lot of great pro attractions including Armando Muniz & Jimmy Robertson. The AAU was pressuring Aileen Eaton to kick back the corrupt amateur organization $1000 per show that included amateur bouts. Aileen said No. So to prevent amateurs from participating, Los Angeles lost it's AAU/Golden Gloves sanction. We chose to fight for the Olympic Club anyway. Thus happened in 1970, and we had no Golden Gloves in L.A. that year. We, the boxers, fought in another tourney, with the winners going to compete in the Nevada Golden Gloves. We whipped most of the Nevada amateurs in the GG's eliminations and Las Vegas sent a team to the Nationals loaded with L.A.'s best. This was in 1970.

Thanks Guys for answering. I was away from the computer most of the weekend. I read your replies. It sounds like you guys had a nice thing going as the amateurs got more exposure than they could ever imagine onthe TV pro card. Leave it to the AAU group to try a shakedown that threw the hold thing in a tizzy.
As I said the two orgs here would never be able to pull a mixed card. Too many jurisdictions would muddy the evenings proceedings. With boxing waning here at the small club level-you would think the orgs. could come together and unite somehow to pull it off. The fans would love it.
There is a big push here to try toget MMA in NY. We dont recognize here in NY yet, and chances are if they did they want to unite the two (MMA and pro boxing ) on the same card. The way things going-not in my lifetime.

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Antonio Margarito believes he has received a bad rap

Mexican fighter has a chance to redeem himself against Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13 in Cowboys Stadium.

Changing his reputation might be a tougher challenge for Antonio Margarito than beating Manny Pacquiao.

"A lot of people already think bad of me, and I can't change their opinions," Margarito said.

State inspectors caught Margarito with plaster-hardened hand wraps before his January 2009 title fight against Shane Mosley at Staples Center. The wraps were confiscated, Margarito lost the fight, his title and his reputation.

The California State Athletic Commission revoked Margarito's license for more than a year.

Margarito is now training for his first fight in the U.S. since his suspension. But his Nov. 13 opponent, Pacquiao, believes Margarito knew his wraps had been tampered with.

Margarito contends he's an innocent party to deception conducted by his since-fired trainer Javier Capetillo. "There's never been a shred of evidence Antonio knew what was in there," Margarito's promoter Bob Arum said.

What is clear is that Margarito's reputation has taken a pummeling.

Margarito followed a tough 2007 decision loss to Paul Williams at Carson with three consecutive knockouts — including a vicious beating of previously unbeaten world welterweight champion Miguel Cotto.

Cotto, and another opponent who lost to Margarito, suggested he relied on loaded gloves to beat them.

"It really hurt to hear and read what people were saying about me," Margarito, 32, said. "I've tried to let people know this was not my doing. I was innocent."

In the Staples Center's dressing room where the plaster was seized, state inspector Dean Lohuis said Margarito was "indignant" about accusations that he knew there was something amiss with his hand wraps. "I don't believe he knew," Lohuis said.

Capetillo declined to be interviewed.

"They were my hands, and I should have been more aware what was in there," Margarito said. "But because Capetillo had been around me so long, the trust was there … Knowing I might not be able to step into the ring again, that was the low moment."

After being suspended, Margarito retreated home to Tijuana with his wife, Michelle.

"I did what I had to do as a spouse," Michelle said. "Support him, give him his space."

Margarito established a routine of waking early and meeting a group of six schoolchildren outside his home, driving them in his pickup to a nearby track to run, mentoring the boys — even if that seems mind-boggling to those who don't buy his hand-wraps account.

Out of habit, he'd also make routine visits to a small Tijuana home with an antiquated boxing ring in its basement, putting himself through the familiar paces. He was unsure what for, except that he knew little else.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., Arum failed to overturn California's banishment.

So Arum scheduled a May 8 comeback bout in Mexico for Margarito, and he won in a lackluster decision. But no U.S. boxing commission expressed interest to let him return. California even extended its license revocation over the summer, chiding Margarito for training for his Mexico fight in the U.S. without a sparring permit.

However, after Arum failed to put together a super-fight between Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr., the promoter turned to Margarito.

Arum had Nov. 13 reserved at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, and decided to pair Pacquiao, the world's top pound-for-pound fighter, against boxing's most controversial figure, Margarito, the Mexican anti-hero who had once been hailed as the country's next great star.

The Texas boxing commission, unquestionably swayed by the dollar signs, delivered Margarito a license.

Now, Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 knockouts) is seeking a record eighth weight-class title, and is an 8-1 favorite to beat Margarito (38-6, 27 KOs) in the junior-middleweight bout.

"So much to gain," Margarito's manager, Sergio Diaz, says of the bout. "So much to lose."

If Margarito loses, it will reaffirm a belief he can't win without plaster; a victory can help clear his name.

"I guess they were thinking it's an easy fight against a guy with a lot of issues and a lot of weight on his shoulders," Margarito said. "They chose the wrong time to pick me as an opponent."

Margarito has nearly a five-inch height advantage over Pacquiao, who was fighting at 140 pounds in May 2009. The fighters have agreed to a weigh-in catch weight of 150 pounds.

Margarito says he's eager to take the fight to Pacquiao. Margarito believes his size advantage will allow him to bully the Filipino superstar and believes the smaller man's punches won't be devastating.

New trainer Robert Garcia is impressed by Margarito's commitment to the cause — his five-mile runs up Mt. Baldy early in camp, his thunderous treatment of the speed and body bags and, most important, Margarito's mission to redeem his name in thoroughly scrutinized hand wraps.

"I know many of those who once supported me have stopped. I know it will be hard to change opinions," Margarito said.

"But I believe winning this fight will change my life. I have the will to prove to everyone that I am a real champion."

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[CNorkusJr]

On Margarito Hand Wraps- You heard almost the same script from Luis Resto in the documentary on his fight with Billy Collins. The guy makes a living with his hands and he has no idea that his wraps are tampered with, only with Resto it was his gloves.
Not all boxers are geniuses but you got to consider that you are responsible for your overall conditioning and the equipment you use in a fight. Putting full trust into your handlers and their ways is one thing but to not realize your hands are not wrapped the same as previous fights, c'mon really.
Maybe he was taking a nap when his hands were wrapped.
Though I never fought in the ring, I asked my father on two occaisions if he could wrap my hands and put them in a gloves to see what the feel was like.
They were wrapped modestly, they were not doctored in any way but you have a sense of what they feel like, am I correct you guys ? Do you guys think he could claim he did not know ? Many of you fought many times- I would like to know your thoughts. I would have a easier time of understanding that you did not know the gloves were tampered with if you were un-suspecting boxer, but the wraps are different.
And he's pissed off that his reputation took a hit. He had to fire somebody so that he can claim innocense. He's lucky he didnt get banned from the sport. He's lucky anyone wants to fight him at all. $$$$$$$$