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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 11:49
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:By the way . . .

Fritzie Zivic will be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame on June 25th . . . :D

The ghost of Mr. Zivic has reserved seats for Remy, Brian, and their guests for the event.
Brian Higgins (ExPug) will likely accept this posthumous award on behalf of the former welterweight champ and boxing legend.

Sounds like all the ingredients for a Classic American West Coast Boxing reunion. :OhYes:
It's going to be a great night if we can get everyone there. You guys will meet my cousins Louie and Rocky Burke this year. Louie Burke is being inducted into the CBHOF next year. My thanks and my family's thanks to Frank Baltazar Sr.!

By the way Chuck, you and Louie have something in common. He's a Fireman too, in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
And Charlie, I know that we are a long way from NY, but if you can make it there will be a place at our table for you & wife.
This is an open offer to all of this threads regulars (and you know who you are). We'd really like to get everybody together for next year's luncheon. The food is good, the atmosphere is right. For a couple hours we step back into the essence of this thread.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 12:00
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:Rick, maybe you can speak with Freddie about attending the CBHOF next year. Freddie and Louie were big rivals in the 80's. It would be nice to get them together. I'll take care of his tickets.

Randy :box:
I'll invite Freddie, tell him Louie will be there for induction.
I know that he'd come to Don's event if he is available, but he's out of town quite a bit.
When Don and Frank inducted Freddie last year, his brother Pep and his mother came to accept the award when Freddie was in the Phillippines with Pac Man.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 12:02
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Tom, I have the book , but forgot the story. Thanks for the reminder, I'll read it again today.

Heller asks Zivic for his opinion on the newest crop of fighters in the book.
"These young kids are so inexperienced," says Zivic, glumly. "They think the laces are for tying up the gloves."
I have that book somewhere in an unmarked box stored away. I'll have to look for it. :witzend:
I just read it again last night.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 12:07
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
telboy66 wrote:I'm begin to wish I could get my money back from the bookie,Unless of course this is all part of Roach's pre fight strategy
I was thinking the same thing "pre fight strategy"
:TU: Yeah, kinda like Raul Rojas telling Mando Ramos that he wasn't training for their grudge match.
Rojas was working his ass off. We'll see what happenes in the ring on Nov. 13th????
However, I know that this has been a real problem for Roach in the past. It only makes sense it would get worse.
This Manny Pac has been a clean kid in a dirty world for a long time.
We all know boxers, how time, age, success can lead to complacency. I thought he'd have bit the dust long ago.
This may just be a ploy, but I tend to think we might not see the best of Manny Pac in the ring against Margarito.
Maybe he won't need his best to slam Antonio, but that is stupid, the guy will come in a middleweight.
Bet? No way, like Charlie says, something doesn't smell right

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 13:50
by kikibalt
]b]The war is over![/b]

Image

Los Angeles
Date Shot: August 14, 1945

Aug. 14, 1945: Alfred Fehr, 25 years a newsboy, jubilantly heralds the news of VJ Day in front of The Times building in Los Angeles. It was his biggest day of sales.

“Japan surrendered unconditionally tonight, bringing peace to the world after the bloodiest conflict mankind has known,” the article begins under the banner headline “PEACE!”

This image ran in the Los Angeles Times Aug. 15, 1945, edition. Upon hearing the news of Japan’s surrender, as reported in the same Times edition, Los Angeles residents poured into downtown streets to cheer the war’s end. A huge siren atop The Times building led the din, an impromptu parade formed along Broadway, confetti was everywhere, and special police were dispatched to control the the masses. It was one of many celebrations across the nation.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 14:01
by kikibalt
Is Manny Paquiao ready to quit boxing?

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-p ... 4784.story

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 14:42
by CNorkusJr
Thanks Rick and All for the invite to CBHOF in June. I can't tell you how much in my heart I want to be there and I am certainly going to look into it.
It would be a great time for all of us to get together and meet. What could be better for boxing fans young and old than these dinners.
The men and women your org. inducts in are truly deserving of the awards.
I hope to be part of that to show them the respect and say "Thank You" for the wonderful thrills they gave to us all. I'll let you know as time goes on.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 15:00
by THEHAMMER321
I have always been a betting man when it comes to fights, at 8 to 1 the number seems way to high, I am not sure how many of Margarito's fights were fought with ''loaded'' gloves who knows maybe they all were, I don't buy the cheater got caught the first time he tried it. :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 16:01
by Panzerfaust
Rick Farris wrote:By the way . . .

Fritzie Zivic will be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame on June 25th . . . :D

The ghost of Mr. Zivic has reserved seats for Remy, Brian, and their guests for the event.
Brian Higgins (ExPug) will likely accept this posthumous award on behalf of the former welterweight champ and boxing legend.

Sounds like all the ingredients for a Classic American West Coast Boxing reunion. :OhYes:
Im really looking forward to this :wink: that and a week or two spending 6+ hours a day at the WildCard :lol:
Gonna make my summer!!! Though im thinking bout making another trip before that.. Sold my boxing ring recently so it might happen, but june is as sure as death and taxes :box: .

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 16:16
by Panzerfaust
The Perfect 10: One Man’s Ballot For The IBHOF 2011
By Lyle Fitzsimmons from Boxing Scene

Third time’s a charm? Yeah, maybe... but I doubt it.

In fact, when it comes to this time of year in my incarnation as a boxing writer, I pretty much expect the next couple of days to be filled with myriad message-board potshots and the random “you’re an idiot” lambasting via e-mail inbox drive-by.

Comes with the territory, I suppose.

And it sure beats working for a living.

The mid-autumn topic matter that so stirs up the masses is the annual ballot of fighters submitted for induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame, tucked away in the timeless upstate hamlet of Canastota, N.Y.

I took my first crack at ballot-preparation two years ago and was an immediate rookie phenom, correctly endorsing the candidacy of all three modern-era Class of 2009 inductees – Orlando Canizales, Lennox Lewis and Brian Mitchell.

The sophomore batting average plummeted from 1.000 to .500, however, when just one of the trio’s eventual 2010 classmates – South Korean 108-pounder Jung-Koo Chang – was checked off as a “yes” vote on the ballot I submitted last October.

The majority of the voting population liked Danny “Little Red” Lopez just as much.

As for me… not so much.

That said, with this year’s laundry list, I’m figuring sheer quantity will yield more quality.

No fewer than 45 boxers active for at least one fight since 1943 are again on the ballot for 2011 recognition, with voting done through Nov. 1 by BWAA members and select non-members chosen by the Hall’s board of directors.

Each “modern” voter chooses from one to 10 boxers, with the top three vote-getters punching a ticket. The IBHOF board chooses hall-worthy observers, non-participants, pioneers and old-timers.

I’m going for capacity this time around, pulling a virtual lever for exactly 10.

Other inductees last year included manager Shelly Finkel, referee/commissioner Larry Hazzard, promoter Wilfried Sauerland, matchmaker Bruce Trampler and journalist Ed Schuyler.

The official induction ceremony is set for June 12, 2011.

Here’s one writer’s look at the men who ought to be booking flights:

Georgie Abrams – Floored champion Tony Zale in failed 1941 middleweight title bid; lost decisions to Ray Robinson, Marcel Cerdan and Fred Apostoli. Vote: NO.

Horacio Accavallo – Seventy-five wins in 83 career fights; held WBA flyweight title in 1966-67. Vote: NO.

Joey Archer – Defeated Ray Robinson in Robinson’s final fight; two failed bids against middleweight champion Emile Griffith in 1966-67. Vote: NO.

Jose Becerra – Seventy-two wins in 79 career fights; held world bantamweight title in 1959-60. Vote: NO.

Johnny Bratton – Held NBA welterweight title in 1951; went 0-2-1 in three bouts with Kid Gavilan. Vote: NO.

Jimmy Carruthers – Held world bantamweight title from 1952-54; went 2-4 over six-fight comeback in 1961-62. Vote: NO.

Julio Cesar Chavez – Held titles at 130 (WBC), 135 (WBA/WBC) and 140 pounds (WBC/IBF) between 1984-96; Won first 87 bouts through 1994. Vote: YES.

Donald Curry – Held WBA, IBF and WBC welterweight titles between 1983-86; subsequently won WBC title at 154 pounds. Vote: NO.

Hiroyuki Ebihara – Held WBA/WBC flyweight titles in 1963-64; later held WBA championship in 1969. Vote: NO.

Tommy Farr – Won 81 of 126 career bouts; dropped 15-round decision to heavyweight champion Joe Louis in 1937. Vote: NO.

Tiger Jack Fox – Won 153 of 191 career bouts; fought professionally from 1928-50. Vote: NO.

Ceferino Garcia – Won 102 of 142 career bouts; held NYSAC world middleweight title in 1939-40. Vote: NO.

Betulio Gonzalez – Won 75 of 91 career bouts; three flyweight title reigns between 1972-79. Vote: NO.

Yoko Gushiken – Won WBA junior flyweight title in ninth career bout; made 13 successful title defenses. Vote: NO.

Naseem Hamed – Held WBO, IBF and WBC flyweight titles between 1995-2001; went 17-1 with 14 knockouts in 18 career championship bouts. Vote: YES.

Carlos Hernandez – Held WBA/WBC junior welterweight titles in 1965-66; lost subsequent WBA title bout in 1969. Vote: NO.

Rafael Herrera – Won WBA/WBC bantamweight titles from Ruben Olivares in 1972; subsequently held WBC championship in 1973-74. Vote: NO.

Al Hostak – Two reigns as NBA world middleweight champion; stopped twice in title bouts by Tony Zale. Vote: NO.

Harry Jeffra – Won 94 of 122 career bouts; held world titles at bantamweight and featherweight. Vote: NO.

Peter Kane – Held world flyweight title in 1938-39; won 88 of 99 career bouts. Vote: NO.

Cocoa Kid – Won 176 of 244 career bouts; held “colored” welterweight and middleweight world championships. Vote: NO.

Pone Kingpetch – Three flyweight championship reigns; won six of nine career title bouts. Vote: NO.

Santos Laciar – Two title reigns at 112 pounds, one at 115; won 12 of 16 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Tippy Larkin – Won 136 of 153 career bouts; won world junior welterweight title in 1946. Vote: NO.

Jose Legra – Two reigns as WBC featherweight champion; won 134 of 150 career bouts. Vote: NO.

Miguel (Happy) Lora – Held WBC bantamweight title from 1985-88; lost WBO championship tries in 1991 and 1993. Vote: NO.

Raul (Raton) Macias – World bantamweight champion between 1955-57; won one-fight comeback in 1962. Vote: NO.

Ernesto Marcel – Retired as WBA featherweight champion in 1974; defeated Alexis Arguello in final title defense. Vote: NO.

Freddie Mills – Won 76 of 101 career bouts; captured world light heavyweight title in 1948. Vote: NO.

Rinty Monaghan – Won all four career title bouts; retired as world flyweight champion in 1950. Vote: NO.

Masao Ohba – Won final 19 bouts; held WBA flyweight title from 1970-73. Vote: NO.

Sven Ottke – Retired as IBF super middleweight champion in 2004; Won all 22 career title fights. Vote: YES.

Ken Overlin – Won 135 of 165 career bouts; held world middleweight title in 1940-41. Vote: NO.

Gustave Roth – Won 113 of 137 career bouts; held European welterweight, middleweight and light heavyweight titles. Vote: NO.

Lou Salica – Held world bantamweight titles in 1935 and again between 1939-42; lost to fellow nominee Harry Jeffra in final bout. Vote: NO.

Dave Sands – Won 97 of 110 career bouts; held Australian middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight titles. Vote: NO.

Petey Scalzo – Won 90 of 112 career bouts; held world featherweight title in 1940-41. Vote: NO.

Samuel Serrano – Two reigns as WBA super featherweight champion; went 15-2-1 in 18 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Yoshio Shirai – Held world flyweight title between 1952-54; lost two subsequent title tries against Pascual Perez. Vote: NO.

Kostya Tszyu – Two title reigns at 140 pounds between 1995-2005; Won 14 of 16 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Kid Tunero – Won 97 of 148 career bouts; went 1-6-2 in final nine bouts before retirement at age 38. Vote: NO.

Mike Tyson – Won WBC heavyweight title at age 20 in 1986; Went 12-4 in 16 title bouts through 2002. Vote: YES.

Wilfredo Vazquez – Held WBA titles at 118, 122 and 126 pounds; went 16-3-2 in 21 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Myung-Woo Yuh – Two reigns as WBA light flyweight champion; won 20 of 21 career title bouts. Vote: YES.

Hilario Zapata – Two reigns as WBC light flyweight champion and one as WBA flyweight champion; went 18-5-2 in title bouts. Vote: YES.

Vote early and vote often.
.............................................................
:witzend: This guy makes me a sad panda :roll: Sven Ottke????? over Ceferino Garcia and Donald Curry , etc etc etc

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 16:43
by THEHAMMER321
Anyone here remember when Gerrie Coetzee had Jackie Mccoy training him, I believe he started training him before he won the title from Dokes but not really sure, but I remember Coetzee living or training in Long Beach, anybody here have any idea. :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 16:55
by telboy66
How the Hell does Ottke make the list the guy never left Germany to fight where he got much more than an even break from Referee's & judge's

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 17:57
by Rick Farris
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Anyone here remember when Gerrie Coetzee had Jackie Mccoy training him, I believe he started training him before he won the title from Dokes but not really sure, but I remember Coetzee living or training in Long Beach, anybody here have any idea. :witzend:
Paul . . . I do remember Jackie McCoy training Coetzee, but forget when, or any of the details.
For some reason, I was never interested Coetzee.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 18:09
by THEHAMMER321
Rick Farris wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Anyone here remember when Gerrie Coetzee had Jackie Mccoy training him, I believe he started training him before he won the title from Dokes but not really sure, but I remember Coetzee living or training in Long Beach, anybody here have any idea. :witzend:
Paul . . . I do remember Jackie McCoy training Coetzee, but forget when, or any of the details.
For some reason, I was never interested Coetzee.
I never thought much of him either, I just followed boxing so closely during the time he was fighting, actually I thought he was pretty mechanical as a fighter, ''robot like'' I thought Holmes would have jabbed him silly if they fought.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 18:41
by THEHAMMER321
How was the Menudo today Frank ?.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 18:53
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:How was the Menudo today Frank ?.
That's tomorrow Paul..... :lol: :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 19:21
by Rick Farris
CNorkusJr wrote:Thanks Rick and All for the invite to CBHOF in June. I can't tell you how much in my heart I want to be there and I am certainly going to look into it.
It would be a great time for all of us to get together and meet. What could be better for boxing fans young and old than these dinners.
The men and women your org. inducts in are truly deserving of the awards.
I hope to be part of that to show them the respect and say "Thank You" for the wonderful thrills they gave to us all. I'll let you know as time goes on.
:TU: :TU: Charlie . . . Don Fraser & Frank Baltazar put on the best event of it's kind on the West Coast.
I know it's a long trip for you, but if you can make it that would be great. I'll be there to help anyway I can.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 19:34
by THEHAMMER321
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:How was the Menudo today Frank ?.
That's tomorrow Paul..... :lol: :OhYes:
SRRY thought it was friday. :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 20:59
by Randyman
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:How was the Menudo today Frank ?.
That's tomorrow Paul..... :lol: :OhYes:
SRRY thought it was friday. :witzend:
Man, all day yesterday, I thought it was Thursday. I went to bed thinking tomorrow's Friday. The week went by awfully quick. Somewhere in the middle of the night I was going over the week in my mind, half asleep and half awake when it hit me, It's Thursday all over again. I feel like I just added another day to my week! :KO:

Randy :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 21:00
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:Thanks Rick and All for the invite to CBHOF in June. I can't tell you how much in my heart I want to be there and I am certainly going to look into it.
It would be a great time for all of us to get together and meet. What could be better for boxing fans young and old than these dinners.
The men and women your org. inducts in are truly deserving of the awards.
I hope to be part of that to show them the respect and say "Thank You" for the wonderful thrills they gave to us all. I'll let you know as time goes on.
:TU: :TU: Charlie . . . Don Fraser & Frank Baltazar put on the best event of it's kind on the West Coast.
I know it's a long trip for you, but if you can make it that would be great. I'll be there to help anyway I can.
Ditto!!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 21:48
by raylawpc
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:Thanks Rick and All for the invite to CBHOF in June. I can't tell you how much in my heart I want to be there and I am certainly going to look into it.
It would be a great time for all of us to get together and meet. What could be better for boxing fans young and old than these dinners.
The men and women your org. inducts in are truly deserving of the awards.
I hope to be part of that to show them the respect and say "Thank You" for the wonderful thrills they gave to us all. I'll let you know as time goes on.
:TU: :TU: Charlie . . . Don Fraser & Frank Baltazar put on the best event of it's kind on the West Coast.
I know it's a long trip for you, but if you can make it that would be great. I'll be there to help anyway I can.
Ditto!!
I am planning to attend this year too. If we keep it up, it will be the biggest gathering of CAWCB thread regulars ever! I'm really looking forward to meeting Chuck someday, as well as Paul.

BTW, I'm in Boston until Wednesday on a business trip/vacation. Yesterday, Linda and I drove out to Mt. Calvary cemetery and visited John L. Sullivan's grave. (Well, I did. Linda stayed in the car . . .) I'm planning to head to Brockton to see if I can find any Rocky Marciano sites. I'll post any pictures that I take.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 21:52
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: :TU: :TU: Charlie . . . Don Fraser & Frank Baltazar put on the best event of it's kind on the West Coast.
I know it's a long trip for you, but if you can make it that would be great. I'll be there to help anyway I can.
Ditto!!
I am planning to attend this year too. If we keep it up, it will be the biggest gathering of CAWCB thread regulars ever! I'm really looking forward to meeting Chuck someday, as well as Paul.

BTW, I'm in Boston until Wednesday on a business trip/vacation. Yesterday, Linda and I drove out to Mt. Calvary cemetery and visited John L. Sullivan's grave. (Well, I did. Linda stayed in the car . . .) I'm planning to head to Brockton to see if I can find any Rocky Marciano sites. I'll post any pictures that I take.
Lots of pics Tom. I was in Boston in 1973.....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:57
by Rick Farris
Fritzie Zivic remembers Lew Jenkins . . .

"I used to always tell people that Lew Jenkins was the only fighter I know that could start a fight in an empty room."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 23:08
by Rick Farris
Fritzie Zivic- more thoughts on Lew Jenkins . . .

"When Jenkins made a fist, I never seen to this day such knuckles, they stuck out this big. And when he put his gloves on, I found out later, he'd push the pads back so when you got hit with his punch all he had was a little bit of leather in between there. He used to push that padding back. He hit me in the forehead in the first fight, I thought the building fell on me. If he'd hit me on the chin he'd have knocked me cold. Some think he won the fight, some thought I won the fight. They called it a draw."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 23:20
by Rick Farris
Fritzie Zivic, on boxing . . .
June, 1971

"I have no regrets. I really liked to fight, not hurt anybody. I really loved the game. To fight twenty years, you got to like it. When you stay in one racket for twenty years, you love it. It's a shame that it fell apart. Of course I must say this, and it is true. Television made it big, real big, then it killed it, killed the small clubs. Television made it big, very big, but it also killed it."